From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #312 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, October 16 1999 Volume 04 : Number 312 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Bowie's new single [Lars Karlsson <67wj@swipnet.se>] [AVALON] In Your Mind Limited Edition [JObinv01@aol.com] FW: [AVALON] Award ["Robert Fedder" ] [AVALON] Ferry in Telegraph ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] Bowie's new single ["Janice O'Shea" ] [AVALON] Telegraph [Peter Dewey ] Re: [AVALON] ATGB Credits [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] In Your Mind Limited Edition [Lars Karlsson <67wj@swipnet.se] [AVALON] Re: Sameday Blues ["Andy Cooper" ] [AVALON] disconnected thoughts [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] ATGB Credits ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry in Telegraph ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] Re: [AVALON] disconnected thoughts ["Robert Whiteford" ] [AVALON] Ticket time in Chi-town [jas2347@xsite.net] Re: [AVALON] Bowie's new single ["Robert Whiteford" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry in Telegraph [Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie's new single Try . Rod Le Cloux wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know where I can get David Bowie's new singles of > "Thursday's Child". So far I have only seen them available for $12.49 a > piece from cdnow.com. I paid less than that for the whole album. > > Where is a good place to get import singles? > > I am from Green Bay,Wisconsin, USA. > > Thanks, > > Rod > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:13:07 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] In Your Mind Limited Edition can anyone translate the German (I think) on this page. http://www.skivhugget.se/cgi-bin/info?id=8476052 It is a Limited Edition of In Your Mind, but I don't know what is rare about it. Thanks some one John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 99 07:37:49 UT From: "Robert Fedder" Subject: FW: [AVALON] Award Nice one Will. But I think the style would be a Jerry Springer format, or maybe a fly-on-the-wall documentary. Robert Some catchy dialogue there. I think the rewrite for the actual film will go something like this "Hey Martin, how's the compilation tape coming?" "Coming along nicely, just a little hold up" "OK thanks" there, not actually that difficult was it? Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest To: Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 1:22 PM Subject: [AVALON] Award > Gareth, Do you have a 'relax it's only a video' award? > > Can someone make a nice dramatic play out of these mail, for the convention > in the future? > And we need a stagemanager and someone for the clothes. > > > > > RODEISLRED@aol.com wrote: > >What a pompous asshole. > as a comment to Martins: > ><< It will happen, soon. And US > >Avalonions will get it as soon as it's done. Just stop running across the > >golf course as we're about to putt. >> > > And I say: > What a humourless asshole you are, RODEISLRED@aol.com! > /Kicki G > >Actually, I'm pretty hilarious once you get to know me. Why is it the Euro > >contingency of Avalon strikes me as a bunch of know-it-all knuckle-rapping > >nuns? Couldn't you just see The Jerry Lewis Telethon with Martin playing > Jer > >and Kicki his bum-kissing Ed McMahon? Martin could sing 'You'll Never Walk > >Alone' as the tote board flips and Martin finally hands the tape over to > us > >unworthies. > > > >Give me a BREAK. > > > >--Red > You gotta lay off with that glue sniffing, pal! > /Kicki G > >You're really being a dick now, red. > > > ><< >Martin playing Jer > >and Kicki his bum-kissing Ed McMahon? Martin could sing > >'You'll Never Walk > >Alone' as the tote board flips and Martin finally hands the > >tape over to us > >unworthies. > > > >Give me a BREAK. > > > >--Red>>> > >Whoa - WHOA - that was harsh - Martin is going to a lot of > >trouble for us - keep these types of comments to yourself - > >PLEASE, Jeeeez! Take a Valium already! > >Red says: > ><< >dick.>>> > > > >I didn't say you HAD a dick - I said you were BEING a dick - > >pay attention. > > > >Not that the lovely Red needs my assistance in defending herself, but I > >must admit that I was a little taken aback when a long time list member > >resurfaced, innocently and politely asked a question about something he > >was clearly very interested in, and was treated as if his question were > >some terrible faux pas. > > > >Colleen > > > I stand by my comments. Kick me off the list, I don't care. And I have > no > > dick. > > And personally, I MISS DAWNE!!!!! > > >> > > > >Fuck off then, red neck, shit kicker. > > > >JF > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 03:15:31 PDT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry in Telegraph All pop down to your local newsagents to find an interview with Bryan in todays edition of the Telegraph. For those of you not in Britain the Telegraph has its own website. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 06:57:29 -0400 From: "Janice O'Shea" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie's new single Try: http://www.gemm.com Rod Le Cloux wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know where I can get David Bowie's new singles of > "Thursday's Child". So far I have only seen them available for $12.49 a > piece from cdnow.com. I paid less than that for the whole album. > > Where is a good place to get import singles? > > I am from Green Bay,Wisconsin, USA. > > Thanks, > > Rod > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:14:06 +0100 From: Peter Dewey Subject: [AVALON] Telegraph Hi there everybody. Ferrymania seems to have hit the UK with all the hoohah over the new album. There's a longish interview in today's Daily Telegraph, not too informative but does refer to a planned "rock" album to be released next year, a collaboration with Eno & Rhett Davies. A Roxy tour would be "fun". Tonight Ferry features with Jools Holland on Later. Incidentally, living in Wales we only had an abbreviated highlights if last week's netaid, with Jealous Guy. Did anyone tape the other songs? I belive Slave To Love (?) and Let's Stick Together (!) were mentioned. Also saw Manzanera's VH1 10 of the best, included Let's Stick Together. Quite amusing programme. May see some of you in December. Cheerio - -- Peter Dewey - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:09:09 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] ATGB Credits In a message dated 15/10/99 10:23:48 GMT Daylight Time, JObinv01@aol.com writes: << Interesting to note that Chris Lawrence appears here. He played string bass on Sunset from Stranded. Other familiar names are Phil Manzanera & Andy Newmark. Does anyone recognise anyone else???? Regards J.O'B. >> Gavyn Wright (solo violin) appears on Andy's "Resolving Contradictions" album. JF. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:42:37 +0200 From: Lars Karlsson <67wj@swipnet.se> Subject: Re: [AVALON] In Your Mind Limited Edition Those "limited edition" Roxy/Ferry remasters are those called "Japanese" although made in Europe. They are all like the original LP's, in paper covers and are quite nice. This far, all ten Roxy albums have been released here in Sweden, but only the five first Ferry albums. Another nice thing: ATGB is available as a Digipack as well, with LP-similar cover. Skivhugget has it, but I understand that supply is limited. Hope this helps. Lars JObinv01@aol.com wrote: > can anyone translate the German (I think) on this page. > http://www.skivhugget.se/cgi-bin/info?id=8476052 > It is a Limited Edition of In Your Mind, but I don't know what is rare about > it. > > Thanks some one > > John O'Brien > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:55:49 +0100 From: "Andy Cooper" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Sameday Blues John, I found this link in the Amazon database and checked it with some other well-known CD vendors and it turned out to be a typo......shame really..... Andy - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:48:33 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: [AVALON] disconnected thoughts Gareth - you seem surprised by Bryan's shattered confidence. If the hastily reformed Roxy hadn't been a success after Bride's failure, or if the singles from Boys & Girls hasn't charted, we'd have seen the same or worse. Ferry was reportedly depressed after the criticism that the first Roxy album recieved, much of hte flak aimed at his singing style. Was also bitterly disappointed by the advance reviews of his first solo album, and very relieved when it went on to be a huge hit. And an interview before Boys & Girls was released had Ferry wondering if he was "still relevant". In '86, asked why chart success was so important, he said "he'd die" if he didn't have hits any more. Mamouna could have done much better. Whoever chose Your Painted Smile as the first single made a big mistake. Could it have been Bryan? Radio 1 and Virgin were both playing Mamouna as an album track already. When Your Painted Smile was released, all radio play ground to a halt. As wonderful as it is, YPS isn't an obvious radio song. Mamouna's much closer. The new album will help Bryan's confidence. He's talking about minimal sales, no chart peformance, no hit singles, and tiny venues. (As an aside, his reluctance in the Dazed interview to talk about the hunting issue - "few enough people will be buying my record anyway, without getting involved in that" - is quite amusing.) All his best stuff from the early 70s was always bouyed by something with wider appeal - the Roxy artwork, the fashion design, or the albums of ready-mades. He's right to go back to this idea. He hasn't sold *himself* in the way he used to - worried, perhaps, about diverting attention from the seriousness of what he does. Seems like he's getting over it. Maybe he'll get back to the situation where lots of people buy the records and only some of them listen to it endlessly for its hidden lyrical and muscial detail. Completists will want both of the current issues of Dazed & Confused - each has a different Appleton sister on the front cover, and Ferry on the back cover. Make sure you get the red stuck-on Billy Liar booklet if you're a Ferry museum curator. The rest of us will settle for an excellent interview - - Bryan seeems to do better when he isn't being questioned by an ardent fan who knows every detail of the Ferry life. This interviewer thought Bryan's father was a miner and that Eno and Ferry weren't talking any more. It's a sign of the decline in Bryan's confidence in his work and his worth that he mentions Eno without fail in every interview - even around the time of Taxi, he talked about the fact that they'd met up again, had had a great time, and would probably work together again. I can't remember Eno ever having mentioned it, except to say that Bryan was a very conscientious man, and wanted to make every record *different*. Or perhaps Ferry's just finding his cynical marketing techniques again. I'm searching for the replica versions of the first three Roxy albums - can't find FYP, and am getting nervous. This is one of only 4 Roxy albums that I'd love to hear, remastered, and the card gatefold version would be nice. Anyone know of a London outlet that stocks it? B - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:08:29 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ATGB Credits Anyone knows what the diffrence is between a violin and a viola? John wrote: > Personnel includes:- Bryan Ferry (vocals, synthesizer); Nils Solberg, Phil >Manzanera (guitar); Martin Wheatley (banjo); Gavyn Wright, Dave Woodcock, >Abraham Lebrovich, Boguslav Kostecki, Wilf Gibson (violin); Phil Dukes, Peter >Lale (viola); Anthony Pleeth (cello); Cynthia Millar (ondes martenot); Hugh >Webb (harp); Jim Tomlinson (clarinet, alto saxophone); Alan Barnes (clarinet, >tenor saxophone); Jose Libertella, Luis Stazo (bandoneon); Robert Fowler >(tenor saxophone); Enrico Tomasso (trumpet); Malcolm Earle Smith, Bob Hunt >(trombone); Colin Good (piano, synthesizer, harmonium); Richard Jeffries, >Chris Laurence (bass); John Sutton, Andy Newmark (drums); Frank Ricotti >(percussion); James Sanger (programming); Oxford Girls Choir (background >vocals). > >Recorded at Lansdowne Studios, London, England. > >Interesting to note that Chris Lawrence apears here. He played string bass on >Sunset from Stranded. Other familier names are Phil Manzanera & Andy Newmark. >Does anyone recognise anyone else???? > >Regards >J.O'B. > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:08:35 EDT From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Jerry Hall on E! Last night on E! (Entertainment News channel), they had a story about Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall, starting at their time of birth until the present. They had interviewed "friends" of Jerry Hall such as Liz Derringer, former wife of Rick, who had said that when Jerry left Bryan, he was very devastated. They had described her and Bryn together as very nice and he as a "very elegant man" who actual was a caring person. When she left him for Mick, the show demonstrated that Bryan was the victim and that she and Mick were idiots! They came right out and said that Mick was more famous and thus more desireable in Jerry's eyes. What a loser!!! BTW, my seat at the Paramount, Oakland is in Row B (5th row), but I don't know what seat number as I don't have the actual ticket yet. Meet up?? Helene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:18:56 +0100 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock of the North (Granada TV) How many northerners got to see this the other night? Quite a lengthy interview interspersed with videos (nothing new) and a few new tracks playing in the background. Chiefly reminiscing about growing up in Newcastle but quite a few light hearted moments, most notably when it was put to him that he must have a wide ranging band of loyal followers that "keep coming back". "Oh yes....they're all tagged" replied Bryan, following this with a swift "come in number 17" and a typically snorty laugh! Bryan looked extremely good - casually dressed and very relaxed. If o9nly all of us chaps aged the same. Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:07:58 +0100 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry in Telegraph Thanks for this Gareth. The Telegraph is absolutely the last newspaper I would ordinarily buy but I'm delighted to make an exception today! Regards Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: gareth mc ginley To: > All pop down to your local newsagents to find an interview with Bryan in > todays edition of the Telegraph. For those of you not in Britain the > Telegraph has its own website. > > Gareth > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:01:27 +0100 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] UK Dates At Last John - Thanks for confirming this. Like many on the list I've been in touch with a few box offices in the last couple of weeks and, whilst none will confirm anything as yet I detect a distincy change of tone in some - most notably Liverpool - changing from 'we don't know anything' to 'we know but we can't say!!' I certainly hope that the tickets do go on sale next week because I'm away for a week in Northumberland the following week (half term) and would like to enjoy the break without the prospect of ringing box offices every day!! Martin - Just to clarify - will you be booking tickets at the RFH on behalf of myself (and others)? If so this is a box office I won't worry about contacting. MANY THANKS Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [AVALON] UK Dates At Last > The UK dates confirmed so far are:- > December > 10 Liverpool Royal Court > 12 Sheffield ??? > 14 London Festival hall > 15 Croydon Fairfield > 17 Glasgow Clyde Auditorium > 18 Newcastle City Hall > 19 Bristol ??? > 21 Manchester Appollo > tickets on sale sometime next week > Watch this space > John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:22:54 +0100 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Picture disc CDs Who remembers the picture disc CDs released a few years ago. Whilst I usually buy most things I never got around to buying these, probably because I was strapped for cash at the time. I've just bought the BF box set comprising the first 3 albums and hope to get the first 3 Roxy albums in the same format. Would I be right in saying there was also a third boxed set of Picture CDs comprising the final three Roxy albums? Can anyone verify this? Regards Richard > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:28:21 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] ATGB Credits At 05:08 PM 10/16/99 +0200, Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest wrote: > Anyone knows what the diffrence is between a violin and a viola? A viola is slightly larger (assuming similar scaling... both full, both 3/4, etc.) and tuned lower (viola music, unless the passage is extremely high or low, is normally written in alto clef, rather than violin's treble). Strings (high to low): violin E A D G viola A D G C -wfs (former violist) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:33:25 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry in Telegraph Read all about the glamorous version of Prince Charles. >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000659276559150&rtmo=aT6Tq44J&atmo=aT6Tq44 J&pg=/et/99/10/16/tlferr16.html Han >All pop down to your local newsagents to find an interview with Bryan in >todays edition of the Telegraph. For those of you not in Britain the >Telegraph has its own website. > >Gareth > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:50:35 +0100 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] disconnected thoughts Bahi - It seems to me that Bryan often either undersells himself or doesn't fully appreciate what he has achieved. I recall an interview a few years ago where he commented that he'd never written any big hit singles and was (rightly) corrected by the interviewer. Only this week he was on Granada TV saying that "Avalon" was by far the group's biggest selling album (answers in one very small part the questions raised on the list recently about sales), despite this not producing a big hit single. He overlooks "more Than This" (and the two lesser hits that follows) methinks. I share your concern about the singles that have come from albums in recent years. YPS was a mistake and I simply cannot understand the practice of releasing the first single after the release of the album. Virgin claimed at the time "Mamouna" was released that, as an established artist, the album was guaranteed to chart impressively and releasing singles in this way was a means of extending the chart life of the album. Plain wrong! They're doing it again with this release and I'm sure ATGB the single will fair less well than it would have done had it been released by now. Choices of singles aren't always the best either. Much as I like "Girl of my Best Friend", I always felt that "Taxi" would have secured huge amounts of airplay. At the time of "Bete Noire" I thought "The Name Of The Game" was crying out to be released as a single and I would have prefered to see that in deference to "Limbo" - whilst I'm glad the latter did come out because of the re-mixes, it did fail to reach the Top 75 which does cast some doubt on the integrity of the choice. At the moment we have gone from a position from there being no singles from the new album to one - with no news whatsoever to suggest there will be any more. Given the advertising campaign which is to accompany the album, the airplay it's likely to pick up on on mainstream stations (such as Radio 2), the publicity via television appearances (tonight, National Lottery[??], TV special etc.) etc. one would hope this will mark a notable upturn in sales compared to previous albums. This being so, surely the album deserves to be promoted with more than one single? Just on the basis of what I've heard so far on this list and the recent Radio 2 programme I'm sure there's more that could be released as a single if the whole ethos of this album catches on. I hope you get the CDs you're looking for - I know the cardboard sleeves are begining to run out. Sorry, being outside London I don't know where to recommend. These remasters are excellent. I listened to the final three Roxy albums today - and Avalon sounds particularly good. It's as if the whole album has been taken to pieces, cleaned up and re-layed - everything sounds so distinct and clear. I just invested in a new CD system and I doubt it has the HDCD decoder someone referred to a few days ago but if you play the original CD and then the remastered album, the difference is amazing. There were some questions about the Manifesto remaster recently. I'm glad the original Angel Eyes has been restored and am only disappointed that this remaster didn't truly reflect the original original by having the first version of Dance Away present - a missed opportunity in my opinion. Regards, Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:35:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie's new single I don't know where to get the new single, but how is the new album? I've been seeing a LOT of used copies around, which I didn't necessarily think was a good sign... Heather On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Rod Le Cloux wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know where I can get David Bowie's new singles of > "Thursday's Child". So far I have only seen them available for $12.49 a > piece from cdnow.com. I paid less than that for the whole album. > > Where is a good place to get import singles? > > I am from Green Bay,Wisconsin, USA. > > Thanks, > > Rod > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > http://home.uchicago.edu/~asbuch/ Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Oct 99 22:09:05 UT From: "Robert Fedder" Subject: [AVALON] ATGB Just got a copy from Finland. Shame about the two week delay in UK. Sounds v good. Full review to follow. Just in time for my holiday sound track too. Robert - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:33:05 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] disconnected thoughts Richard,Bahi Couldn't agree more.Your Painted Smile is beautiful but surely not a single (Mamouna, Gemini Moon, Wildcat Days even but not YPS). I thought Windsept was a better bet than Don't Stop the Dance, and that The Right stuff wasn't promoted well enough. That SHOULD have been a hit. I'm in the mood for love should have been out a week ago as well...... Cheers Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Swift To: Sent: 16 October 1999 16:50 Subject: Re: [AVALON] disconnected thoughts > Bahi - > > It seems to me that Bryan often either undersells himself or doesn't fully > appreciate what he has achieved. I recall an interview a few years ago > where he commented that he'd never written any big hit singles and was > (rightly) corrected by the interviewer. Only this week he was on Granada TV > saying that "Avalon" was by far the group's biggest selling album (answers > in one very small part the questions raised on the list recently about > sales), despite this not producing a big hit single. He overlooks "more > Than This" (and the two lesser hits that follows) methinks. > > I share your concern about the singles that have come from albums in recent > years. YPS was a mistake and I simply cannot understand the practice of > releasing the first single after the release of the album. Virgin claimed > at the time "Mamouna" was released that, as an established artist, the album > was guaranteed to chart impressively and releasing singles in this way was a > means of extending the chart life of the album. Plain wrong! They're doing > it again with this release and I'm sure ATGB the single will fair less well > than it would have done had it been released by now. > > Choices of singles aren't always the best either. Much as I like "Girl of > my Best Friend", I always felt that "Taxi" would have secured huge amounts > of airplay. At the time of "Bete Noire" I thought "The Name Of The Game" > was crying out to be released as a single and I would have prefered to see > that in deference to "Limbo" - whilst I'm glad the latter did come out > because of the re-mixes, it did fail to reach the Top 75 which does cast > some doubt on the integrity of the choice. At the moment we have gone from > a position from there being no singles from the new album to one - with no > news whatsoever to suggest there will be any more. Given the advertising > campaign which is to accompany the album, the airplay it's likely to pick up > on on mainstream stations (such as Radio 2), the publicity via television > appearances (tonight, National Lottery[??], TV special etc.) etc. one would > hope this will mark a notable upturn in sales compared to previous albums. > This being so, surely the album deserves to be promoted with more than one > single? Just on the basis of what I've heard so far on this list and the > recent Radio 2 programme I'm sure there's more that could be released as a > single if the whole ethos of this album catches on. > > I hope you get the CDs you're looking for - I know the cardboard sleeves are > begining to run out. Sorry, being outside London I don't know where to > recommend. These remasters are excellent. I listened to the final three > Roxy albums today - and Avalon sounds particularly good. It's as if the > whole album has been taken to pieces, cleaned up and re-layed - everything > sounds so distinct and clear. I just invested in a new CD system and I > doubt it has the HDCD decoder someone referred to a few days ago but if you > play the original CD and then the remastered album, the difference is > amazing. There were some questions about the Manifesto remaster recently. > I'm glad the original Angel Eyes has been restored and am only disappointed > that this remaster didn't truly reflect the original original by having the > first version of Dance Away present - a missed opportunity in my opinion. > > Regards, > > Richard > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:35:20 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Picture disc CDs No, Richard, there was no picture disc collection of the later Roxy albums, just the one of the first three, and the Ferry solo collection. There was, however, I think, an Eno collection in the same series. Tim - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Swift To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Saturday, October 16, 1999 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Picture disc CDs >Who remembers the picture disc CDs released a few years ago. Whilst I >usually buy most things I never got around to buying these, probably because >I was strapped for cash at the time. I've just bought the BF box set >comprising the first 3 albums and hope to get the first 3 Roxy albums in the >same format. Would I be right in saying there was also a third boxed set of >Picture CDs comprising the final three Roxy albums? Can anyone verify this? > >Regards > >Richard >> > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:03:25 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Ticket time in Chi-town Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:30:38 -0700 (PDT) From: J D McCormick Subject: [AVALON] it's about time..... I missed Bryan the last time he came to chicago. I could not get anyone to go with me. This time I'm going by myself...I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW MORN TO BUY MY TICKET!!!!1 I've NEVER let the fact that if my friends who are not musically ( or otherwise) inclined to what I like, stop me from going to see someone I like. Why miss out? It's THEIR loss. So your friends don't go, you just might make new ones at the concert. I've been going to lots of concerts over the years (60's and beyond) and have gone alone and it does not faze me one iota. Yes, I stick out ( for a lot or reasons), but so what. I came in support of the artist(s) and to show my appreciation not just to be self conscious of the fact that I am alone. I do strike up converstions with people at the concert(s) so it's not an entirely a solo experience. So yeah go for it. In that reagrds, look for me, Kimberly and Janeen. I just got my Ticket an hour ago. I was the first in line at a Dominick's ( note: a chain of food stores here in Chicago that also sells concert tickets). Tickets were...$80.25 for the main floor ($75.00 with a service charge of 5.25). I'm sitting in the reserved (????) seat area Row G Seat 4 which translates to Row 6. I've yet to see a seating chart for the main floor of the Riviera. I did strike up conversations with the three other people in line who just happened to be buying tickets for the same concert. No, they are not Avalonians, but I told them plenty about this group and how we knew about this tour and his recording for some time now! They were just as perplexed as me as to why the Chicago date was just going on sale when the rest of the tour dates had already been on sale. Oh yeah, there was a young woman (age range: 18-21) who was in line trying to get tickets for Rage Against the Machine ( not a bad band). She noticed that I had my Mamouna T-shirt on and wanted to know who Bryan Ferry was. I asked her, as a quick reference, if she had heard of Roxy Music? No, was the reply(it's understandable). I then tried to explained to ther that he and Roxy were very influential in the 70's and beyond and that Bryan was now solo. I asked her she had ever heard of Glam Rock or David Bowie for that mattter as a reference point. Bowie, yes. Roxy no. I left it at that. She was not convinced nor probabaly wanted to be. I'm sure that the guitaritst in Rage, Tom Morello, has heard of Roxy not that the own up to the fact. Hey,folks I tried. I just pulled another gray hair out of my head :) Jas - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:12:34 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie's new single Heather I've bought "hours" lst week. It's pretty good. Better than "Earthling". It has grown on me. Ferry should have the same status as Bowie (eg huge sales and superstar status). He probably could have done here in the UK if it wasn,t for Bete Noire . Rob Whiteford - ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather Marie Buch To: Sent: 16 October 1999 13:35 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie's new single > > I don't know where to get the new single, but how is the new album? I've > been seeing a LOT of used copies around, which I didn't necessarily think > was a good sign... > > Heather > > On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Rod Le Cloux wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know where I can get David Bowie's new singles of > > "Thursday's Child". So far I have only seen them available for $12.49 a > > piece from cdnow.com. I paid less than that for the whole album. > > > > Where is a good place to get import singles? > > > > I am from Green Bay,Wisconsin, USA. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rod > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > http://home.uchicago.edu/~asbuch/ > > Heather Marie Buch asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:27:33 -0700 From: "Chan" Subject: [AVALON] About MP3s With the album coming out next week I think that I will not be making anymore mp3s. I would like the rest of the CD to sound new for all of you Avalonians. I hope that what I have placed online peeked your interest to go buy it and listen to it with an open mind. Thanks to everybody who sent me such nice emails over the last couple of weeks. I have held back a lot of comments that I have about ATGB because I would like to discuss it fully once everybody is able to hear it. I will now go put away the Sade and open up the Chardonnay...take care. Chan depmode@earthlink.net "Beneath my hands your small breasts are the upturned bellies of breathing fallen sparrows." - Leonard Cohen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:53:06 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry in Telegraph >Read all about the glamorous version of Prince Charles. Now 55? 55?!? /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 99 16:16:07 MDT From: Carl Schmitz Subject: Re: [[AVALON] In Your Mind Limited Edition] That aint German! JObinv01@aol.com wrote: can anyone translate the German (I think) on this page. http://www.skivhugget.se/cgi-bin/info?id=8476052 It is a Limited Edition of In Your Mind, but I don't know what is rare about it. Thanks some one John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:09:52 -0400 (EDT) From: shinoballo@webtv.net (Jeff Pavlock) Subject: [AVALON] IMHO It seems everyone is slagging Bete Noire and Boys and Girls. I think this is excellent material. Even the movie track Is Your Love Strong Enough deserved much better attention than what they received. I really believe Taxi is Ferry's weakest effort. I just can't "get" the way he covers I put a spell on you or All Tomorrows Parties. Well it's my opinion anyway . For all of you not happy with seating choice. at least you are going. The closest to me is Toronto and a four hour trip on a work night that is impossible to take off. Consider yourself lucky. I will bide my time and wait for Avalonia reviews. Tell the Maestro I said hello and yell out Sunset for me. Jealous overopinionated regards Jeff I would grow potatoes by the score to go - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 05:47:51 -0700 From: Rod Le Cloux Subject: [AVALON] Manifesto comparisons CD vs. LP johnny reece wrote: > > Hi Bahi... The very first 'edition' of Manifesto had the 'guitar' version > of Angel Eyes, and the version of Dance Away you mentioned - longer intro - > long instrumental piece in middle etc - (this particular edition on Vinyl > only edition - with Lyrics - also same versions on the first edition of the > Picture Disc too) - not on CD unfortunately (the orig. Dance Away , I mean). > Of course - the 'guitar' version of Angel Eyes ended up on the 'Thrill' 4 CD > Box Set... To my knowledge - all CD versions of the album (before the > recent remasters) all carried the 7" Single versions of the songs... Hi All, After reading the above info on "Manifesto" I decided to pull out my vinyl copy and compare it to my CD version. CD: Roxy Music-Manifesto(Reprise 26046) VS. LP: Roxy Music-Manifesto(ATCO 38114) I discovered that there was only one difference. The CD had the poppy single version of "Angel Eyes", time 3:06 and the album had the guitar based version, time 3:32. However, the "Dance Away" song was the same on both. I never realized there was I difference! Should I be comparing all my Roxy Music CD's to the albums? Or was this the only time the dumb record companies decided to do this and not mention it on the liner notes anywhere. Let me know if there are other difference. I now moved my album back to the "don't sell" stack because I prefer the guitar based "Angel Eyes" over the poppy single version. Thanks for the info Johnny Reece. Take Care, Rod - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #312 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest