From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #271 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, September 12 1999 Volume 04 : Number 271 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] GQ comments [Noam Bronstein ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [shinoballo@webtv.net (Jeff Pavlock)] Re: [AVALON] It' s later than you think ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] mmmm-mmmm ... scotties [ASchulberg@aol.com] [AVALON] Fwd: [EddieJobson] Eddie Smiles! -Reply [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [ASchulberg@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:24:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Noam Bronstein Subject: Re: [AVALON] GQ comments Colleen wrote: > Also, I have to say that if someone ever described me as "living 'the > ultimate art-directed existence'" I probably really would go and jump off > Key Bridge. Irony, or the ability to poke fun at oneself--or even > sarcasm--at least these have some basis in what is Real, and maybe even a > tinge of sincerity. But to imply that someone's entire life is lived this > way in earnest seems, to me, to be rather a great insult. It's all fake, > and borders on the completely cynical--and cynical in the absolute worst > sense of the word. > > I mean, this is why a bunch of you are nattering on against Mr. Bowie, no? Well said Colleen. Well, what can you expect from GQ... the supposed male version of Vogue. All those pukey rags just amount to haute pornography, and if anyone says "I just buy it for the articles" they really should be checked in for a lobotomy. Pasitche... GMAFB, it's only rock'n'roll. Let's get back to that good "Loving" reading! :) - -Noam I would like to see the photos though.. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:24:03 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? I liked Tin Machine, Reeves Gabrels seems pretty good on guitar and I didn't realise the other guys were the Hunt bros. I had seen Iggy with them as his band on the Brick by Brick tour and they seemed adequete for him. Didn't recognise them looking more clean cut for Mr. Bowie. All in all I liked Tin, even bought a disc (used). Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Methinks Bowie shot himself in foot back with formation and alignment > with "Tin Machine". > Loved Soupy Sales as I grew up, but Hunt & Tony ? Tone-deaf, and trying > to make us all the same. (not to diss David for all his earlier > personnas..which were quite interesting). > At least the Bryanmobile drives at us and collides with us in > well-thought-out artistic pieces - even if it takes him awhile to get > here! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:46:55 -0400 (EDT) From: shinoballo@webtv.net (Jeff Pavlock) Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? IMHO Tin Machine was/is one of those bands that should have been aces. Some stuff was okay but most sounded like a garage band imitation Bowie. Not that this is bad. Bowie's always had great guitarists as foils. Ronson, Belew, Alomar, Slick, and Gabrels being that list. I don't think Bowie operates well in a "band" atmosphere. He is the "band"Just imagine goodold Phil Manzanera with the thin white duke...hmmmmm - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:31:12 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] It' s later than you think Bizkit, bizkit, can't you spell man! Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: jspellman > You mean you don't like Limp Biscuit? > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:34:46 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? Guess I can't agree with any of that, 'cept for two or three sylables, but that's cool. everybody's different. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Gregory > i can name a few that write as well...aforementioned peter blegvad. > leonard cohen. > i'll bet fred neil still writes great songs. > > i mean, yr right....there aren't many...most go SERIOUSLY downhill (ie. > costello, bowie, townshend)...but my point is why get so worked up over > obviously inferior product (& let's face it: yes, all pop is product, but > solo ferry/ latter day bowie material is market-oriented gloop)?? > > the last rod stewart album was more soulful/captivating than any ferry, > bowie recent work. > > ______________________________________________ > Eric S. Gregory > IVR Assistant > egregory@standard.com > (503) 321-8503 > ____________________________________________ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jspellman [mailto:jspellman@banet.net] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 12:08 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? > > > Eric Gregory wrote: > > > just joined this list & i hate to come on so strong, but it's gotta be > > awfully self-evident that neither bowie nor ferry really have whatever > they > > once did. > > i can't think of a single record post-1985 by either of those 2 that truly > > jazzed me & as far as writing goes (which when yr a singer who doesn't > > contribute a whole hell of a lot musically better be damn good, whether > its > > yr own or outsider's), both have obviously fallen astray. > > ferry seems to traffic in nothing but romantic tropes that allegedly > "play" > > with surfaces (ironic,, huh?) & bowie....jesus christ...i mean those 2 > > "concept" pieces from the early-mid 90s were offensively meaningless. > > not sure why i'm even throwing my 2 cents in here, but it occurs to me > that > > there are writers/singers even from that generation who continue to be > > fertile, if not always as trenchant as originally (i'm thinking of peter > > blegvad of slapp happy, hugh cornwell of stranglers, hell, even lou reed > > still occasionally writes a great song (amidst plenty of shit)). > > doesn't really matter who tho....just seems to me that part of what made > > roxy (up thru siren) & bowie (up thru scary monsters) so fucking > worthwhile > > was that they wrote GREAT songs. > > Avalon > > Name a songwriter who wrote better songs at 50 than 30. > > Jim > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:53:07 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] mmmm-mmmm ... scotties In a message dated 09/09/1999 10:15:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JObinv01@aol.com writes: << < p.s. so, what's the deal w/www.bryanferry.co.uk? that thing is STILL 'under construction'. did anyone ever figure out whether that was a truly 'official' site or just some bogus attempt at humor? >> It's an offoicial site, but this is the place for the most up to date news. J.O'B. >> So John, what IS your relationship to the Maestro and his business associates??? Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:52:58 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Fwd: [EddieJobson] Eddie Smiles! -Reply - --part1_316a4234.250c293a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From the Eddie Jobson mailing list. Arnie - --part1_316a4234.250c293a_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (rly-yd03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.3]) by air-yd03.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:15:56 -0400 Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.205]) by rly-yd03.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:15:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 2442 invoked by alias); 9 Sep 1999 04:15:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 2434 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 04:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO angel.algonet.se) (194.213.74.112) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 04:15:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 18067 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 06:15:44 +0200 Received: from enok.algonet.se (194.213.74.88) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 06:15:44 +0200 Received: from du11-91.ppp.algonet.se ([195.100.91.11]) by algonet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier10.4) with ESMTP ; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:15:43 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990909061937.006c5864@mail.algonet.se> X-Sender: repple@mail.algonet.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 06:19:37 +0200 To: EddieJobson@onelist.com From: Lennart Stahle In-Reply-To: <524e0c92.25082f66@aol.com> Mailing-List: list EddieJobson@onelist.com; contact EddieJobson-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list EddieJobson@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: EddieJobson@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [EddieJobson] Eddie Smiles! -Reply Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lennart Stahle At 17:30 1999-09-08 EDT, you wrote: >From: ASchulberg@aol.com >I think you're right but that whole thing is SO confusing 'cause I always >understood that Eddie is on the cover but not the album itself. Is that right? > that's right. I beleive the photos weren't originally supposed to be the cover for "Zoot Allures", but Zappa kinda liked them so... infact, I don't think the quartet in the picture ever were a Zappa-band. They tried out as a trio first(Bozzio's idea) but Zappa thought it would take at least 5 persons to make music interesting. Eddie and Ray White joined later to form the touring band in '76. However, Eddie was at the time recording stuff with Zappa that later made it to other albums, "Studio Tan", "Lather" and perhaps "Sleep Dirt"(not sure about this). /Lennart - --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Congratulations to MSers_Online. Our latest ONElist of the Week. 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I think Bowie and Ferry still have it, they just refuse to acknowledge or even consider that achieving the quality and depth of their hey day may mean giving up total and absolute control of every single aspect of an album and THAT means having a solid, tried and true band with the freedom to lend to the creative process. >> Here, here. Excellent point, well made, Gene. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #271 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest