From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #270 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, September 11 1999 Volume 04 : Number 270 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Lyrics: If I Didn't Care ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [panama7@webtv.net] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [panama7@webtv.net] Re: [AVALON] Bombs Away ["Killip family" ] [AVALON] alice golfing ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Check this out ["Killip family" ] Re: [AVALON] Bombs Away [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [JFROXY@aol.com] [AVALON] GQ comments [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] GQ comments [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] It' s later than you think ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] GQ comments [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] It' s later than you think [jspellman ] RE: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [Eric Gregory ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] GQ comments [RODEISLRED@aol.com] [AVALON] Ferry/Bowie blah blah BLAH [RODEISLRED@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] GQ comments [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? ["Alison Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? ["Alison Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? [jspellman ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:45:46 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: [AVALON] Lyrics: If I Didn't Care IF I DIDN'T CARE Jack Lawrence / Milton Ager If your heart's in doubt, my love Worried about my love Then all your fear Is only foolish fancy, dear If I didn't care more than words can say If I didn't care would I feel this way? If this isn't love Then maybe I'm wrong But why do I lie awake all night And dream all day long? If I didn't care would it be the same? Would every prayer begin and end with just your name? And would I be sure that this is love beyond compare? Would all this be true If I didn't care for you? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:36:55 -0500 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: [AVALON] It' s later than you think -Reply Hahahahaaa - jas - you are hilarious - sorry Mr. D - but he is cracking me up - MORE power to Chicago!! sincerely, Fellow-elevated train user [brown/purple line] kim <<<>>> - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:38:23 -0500 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? -Reply I thought Chris Rock was brilliant - enjoyed the show!! - -k >>> 09/10/99 01:18am >>> Does anybody notice fatboy slim on tonite's mtv award show seems to have picked up Wild Man Fischer's schtick of almost 30 years ago? Altho Chris Rock said fatboy slim "seemed more like whiteboyretarded".. .Prince,,ur..'The Artist" looked very tiny. Said he'd rather introduce his fave group (yeah,rite), tlc, than perform "l999" for us. The only thing missing was that guy from the Eurythmics.... if my drift is caught. (David Bowie looked like a resurrected Kurt Cobain. I guess he forwent his hip-hop ettiquite for a rock look. Ever the destiny-doll, aren't we, David?) (coool: the all-white Beastie Boys just won the hip-hop video award: uh..video looks JUST like Devo. Duh. Been done, der Beasties.) Diana Ross was not pleased. Diana Ross has this black fungus growing out from her head like a mushroom cloud and a VERY bad face-lift. I wonder what goes on at Eurovision next year? Otis Ferry? Wish...... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:10:57 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? In a message dated 10/09/99 07:20:42 GMT Daylight Time, panama7@webtv.net writes: << (David Bowie looked like a resurrected Kurt Cobain. I guess he forwent his hip-hop ettiquite for a rock look. Ever the destiny-doll, aren't we, David?) >> As much as I admire Bowie, he does continue to shoot himself in the foot, doesn't he. His latest look is just stupid, as was him working with crap like Nine Inch Nails, Goldie,etc. Perhaps we should send him a pic. of BF from the GQ article and show him how to behave and grow mature gracefully. JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:18:50 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bombs Away If you are gonna send over Stealth Bombers, make sure the paint is dry on them first, there's a good chap. JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:21:21 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bombs Away In a message dated 08/09/99 09:02:23 GMT Daylight Time, killip.family@advsys.co.uk writes: << McDavid (4JO'B Celtic Brotherhood) >> I hope that is Celtic, as in Glasgow Celtic John? Pardon me, you are from Croy, so it MUST be! good. JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:45:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Becker Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 JFROXY@aol.com wrote: > His latest look is just stupid, as was him working with crap like Nine Inch > Nails, Goldie,etc. Perhaps we should send him a pic. of BF from the GQ > article and show him how to behave and grow mature gracefully. Certainly, Bowie's wealthy enough that he can afford to do whatever he wants, and in a quest to remain modern and relevant, he's continued to experiment with what's new and popular - I dare say he's done far more with the Internet than 99% of the world's musicians. And as cool as it may be for Messr. Ferry to do an album of 1930's standards, the same thing coming from Messr. Bowie would make me cringe. - --Don - -- Don Becker don@adelphi.edu http://becker.adelphi.edu Unix System Administrator, Adelphi University http://www.adelphi.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 JFROXY@aol.com wrote: > Nails, Goldie,etc. Perhaps we should send him a pic. of BF from the GQ > article and show him how to behave and grow mature gracefully. The only way not to get old is to misbehave and not mature gracefully. Or so I've been told my by elders. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:30:21 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? JFROXY@aol.com wrote: > As much as I admire Bowie, he does continue to shoot himself in the foot, > doesn't he. > His latest look is just stupid, as was him working with crap like Nine Inch > Nails, Goldie,etc. Perhaps we should send him a pic. of BF from the GQ > article and show him how to behave and grow mature gracefully. > JF > How graceful was coming out with one album of original material in the last 12 years? Bowie started to suck in the 80's but has really come back nicely. Like him or not, he managed to get his music out to his fans, and not let it sit in a vault somewhere. I love Ferry's music but I think he is the one who's constantly shooting himself in the foot. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:03:19 -0400 (EDT) From: panama7@webtv.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? Collen - (sorry for mixed-up quote) 'the only way to age well is to misbehave and not grow old gracefully"..? Your elders told you this? I bet I'm you're elder - at 45 - and always remember something: Elders often lie. Caveat emptor, my young spring chicken :-)) (wish you the best!) P-7 - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:22:21 -0400 (EDT) From: panama7@webtv.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? Methinks Bowie shot himself in foot back with formation and alignment with "Tin Machine". Loved Soupy Sales as I grew up, but Hunt & Tony ? Tone-deaf, and trying to make us all the same. (not to diss David for all his earlier personnas..which were quite interesting). At least the Bryanmobile drives at us and collides with us in well-thought-out artistic pieces - even if it takes him awhile to get here! Ya? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:31:11 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bombs Away It's Celtic as in "Keltic"...northern hardmen with a lyrical soul..the samba isn't our scene. - ---------- > From: JFROXY@aol.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bombs Away > Date: 10 September 1999 16:21 > > In a message dated 08/09/99 09:02:23 GMT Daylight Time, > killip.family@advsys.co.uk writes: > > << McDavid > (4JO'B Celtic Brotherhood) >> > > I hope that is Celtic, as in Glasgow Celtic John? Pardon me, you are from > Croy, so it MUST be! good. > > JF > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:35:19 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] alice golfing chris wrote: >Incidentally, I have long thought that if rock vampire Alice Cooper were to >get a 'proper haircut'(copyright - My Dad) he would bear more than a >passing resemblance to our Mr Ferry. Now we hear that >Ferry shares Cooper's passion for golf. Are they in fact one and the same? >Have you ever seen them together? I think not....well...not since the >Empire Pool gig in 1972 anyway... well, this is true ... maybe they're twins? uh, so jas ... are you going to tell us about your 'close encounter' w/the maestro in chi-town, er what? peaces/ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:39:56 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Check this out Anyone missing perhaps? I think Mr. Thompson had already finished his game of pool/snooker/billiards and has left early distressed by Eno's discovery of his lonely heart letter in "Loving" magazine..in fact, is that the sensistive Paul on the cover???? David - ---------- > From: Alison Brown > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Check this out > Date: 10 September 1999 01:15 > > > > http://www.vulcan7.freeserve.co.uk/roxypage.htm > > > > Cute... > > What utterly fantastic shoes they're wearing in those pics! > > Alison > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:38:31 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bombs Away In a message dated 10/09/99 15:24:53 GMT, you write: << I hope that is Celtic, as in Glasgow Celtic John? Pardon me, you are from Croy, so it MUST be! good. >> I'm an Inverness Caledonian Thistle man now J.O'B. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:54:42 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? In a message dated 10/09/99 04:51:15 GMT Daylight Time, matanc@gusun.georgetown.edu writes: << The only way not to get old is to misbehave and not mature gracefully. >> Yes, but do it with style Colleen. JF. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:16:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] GQ comments First, many thanks to TriTri for typing this for the rest of us. > I mean with this sort of music you wouldn't want to wear leather clothes, > would you? An certainly nothing corny like a monocle, or singing through > megaphone." He stops, leaving a pregnant pause where he would once have > drawn on a cigarette (he's given up) or raked a hand through his fringe > (now gone) and inhales deeply before announcing, "It'll probably involve > some sort of ... dinner jacket." > > The nation breathes a sigh a relief -- Ferry is back in black tie. It is, in I know that the focus of this article is on Ferry's style, but I'm not sighing in relief. I mean, why not the monocle? Especially as later in the article it says: > anecdote. He once called Ferry "The most important pasticheur in Britain" > and described him as living "the ultimate art-directed existence. His > records are very clever jokes, his singing voice the ultimate put-on," says > York. "Many people take the Ferry style seriously, presumably bot realising > that Ferry himself doesn't." Also, I have to say that if someone ever described me as "living 'the ultimate art-directed existence'" I probably really would go and jump off Key Bridge. Irony, or the ability to poke fun at oneself--or even sarcasm--at least these have some basis in what is Real, and maybe even a tinge of sincerity. But to imply that someone's entire life is lived this way in earnest seems, to me, to be rather a great insult. It's all fake, and borders on the completely cynical--and cynical in the absolute worst sense of the word. I mean, this is why a bunch of you are nattering on against Mr. Bowie, no? > aside your K-Tel prejudices and imagine Ferry providing the soundtrack for a > shelved Woody Allen film, circa Broadway Danny Rose, and you'll get the > picture. See--this is precisely what I was nattering on about when we first got word about this album. Muzak for Yuppies and their Dinner Parties (and I ain't talking Bunuel [sorry, can't do the right markings in Pine], either). I don't even love his lastest body of work as much as many of you, but this really does alarm me. Pseudo-music for pseudo-sophisticates. It's shocking--appalling, even--that the music company big-wigs around Ferry think this is a good use of his considerable talents. > album to a group of industry friends at a Manhattan dinner party. "Ertegun > kidded d that he'd discovered some recordings of this amazing jazz singer > from the Thirties. For a while at least, the whole party fell for it," Ferry > laughs, quietly thrilled that he managed to fool New York high society. Assuming the idea that people in the music business somehow constitute "New York high society" is due to the fact Mr. Mills has never been to New York, I have to ask how on earth being confused with Rudy Vallee--or being named the new Tiny Tim--could be a career boost to anyone. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:22:51 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? Like I said he did suck for a while in the 80's. I hated Tin Machine, and didn't care for Reeves Gabrielle (sp) even if he is from my home town.Their only song I liked was Roxy cover If there is Something. Jim panama7@webtv.net wrote: > Methinks Bowie shot himself in foot back with formation and alignment > with "Tin Machine". > Loved Soupy Sales as I grew up, but Hunt & Tony ? Tone-deaf, and trying > to make us all the same. (not to diss David for all his earlier > personnas..which were quite interesting). > At least the Bryanmobile drives at us and collides with us in > well-thought-out artistic pieces - even if it takes him awhile to get > here! > Ya? > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:22:45 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? Like I said he did suck for a while in the 80's. I hated Tin Machine, and didn't care for Reeves Gabrielle (sp) even if he is from my home town.Their only song I liked was Roxy cover If there is Something. Jim, panama7@webtv.net wrote: > Methinks Bowie shot himself in foot back with formation and alignment > with "Tin Machine". > Loved Soupy Sales as I grew up, but Hunt & Tony ? Tone-deaf, and trying > to make us all the same. (not to diss David for all his earlier > personnas..which were quite interesting). > At least the Bryanmobile drives at us and collides with us in > well-thought-out artistic pieces - even if it takes him awhile to get > here! > Ya? > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:40:50 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] GQ comments Colleen wrote: >See--this is precisely what I was nattering on about when we first got >word about this album. Muzak for Yuppies and their Dinner Parties (and I >ain't talking Bunuel [sorry, can't do the right markings in Pine], >either). I don't even love his lastest body of work as much as many of >you, but this really does alarm me. Pseudo-music for pseudo-sophisticates. >It's shocking--appalling, even--that the music company big-wigs around >Ferry think this is a good use of his considerable talents. We are moody today, aren't we? Why don't you relax a little in the shoulder-area, it looks rather tense to me. Ans perhaps you should save the slaughtering of this new record _until you have actually heard it_ ?? Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:44:52 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? (snip) >How graceful was coming out with one album of original material >in the last 12 years? Bowie started to suck in the 80's but has >really come back nicely. Like him or not, he managed to get his >music out to his fans, and not let it sit in a vault somewhere. >I love Ferry's music but I think he is the one who's constantly >shooting himself in the foot. a galling but, unfortunately, accurate observation. bowie can't hold a candle to ferry artistically, but at least you can get an album out of him periodically. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:49:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] GQ comments On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > We are moody today, aren't we? > Why don't you relax a little in the shoulder-area, it looks rather tense to me. > Ans perhaps you should save the slaughtering of this new record _until you > have actually heard it_ ?? But where's the fun in that? Colleen (feeling quite fine today, thanks) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:03:49 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] It' s later than you think - -----Original Message----- From: jas2347@xsite.net To: Avalon Discussion Group Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 1:05 AM Subject: [AVALON] It' s later than you think >Yes, and your point is? Too Late MD. Sorry the flight plan has already >been set. The bombers have left the hangers and will soon be targeting >selected sites in Scotland, inlcuding your house. Do be a good chap >though. Make sure that your collection is sent to the Avalon list for >safe keeping. > Save the bombers. We can force them to watch the MTV music awards...or is that considered cruel and unusual punishment? Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:59:53 -0700 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: [AVALON] offtopic huh? just joined this list & i hate to come on so strong, but it's gotta be awfully self-evident that neither bowie nor ferry really have whatever they once did. i can't think of a single record post-1985 by either of those 2 that truly jazzed me & as far as writing goes (which when yr a singer who doesn't contribute a whole hell of a lot musically better be damn good, whether its yr own or outsider's), both have obviously fallen astray. ferry seems to traffic in nothing but romantic tropes that allegedly "play" with surfaces (ironic,, huh?) & bowie....jesus christ...i mean those 2 "concept" pieces from the early-mid 90s were offensively meaningless. not sure why i'm even throwing my 2 cents in here, but it occurs to me that there are writers/singers even from that generation who continue to be fertile, if not always as trenchant as originally (i'm thinking of peter blegvad of slapp happy, hugh cornwell of stranglers, hell, even lou reed still occasionally writes a great song (amidst plenty of shit)). doesn't really matter who tho....just seems to me that part of what made roxy (up thru siren) & bowie (up thru scary monsters) so fucking worthwhile was that they wrote GREAT songs. ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: Victor Hastings [mailto:VHastings@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 11:45 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? (snip) >How graceful was coming out with one album of original material >in the last 12 years? Bowie started to suck in the 80's but has >really come back nicely. Like him or not, he managed to get his >music out to his fans, and not let it sit in a vault somewhere. >I love Ferry's music but I think he is the one who's constantly >shooting himself in the foot. a galling but, unfortunately, accurate observation. bowie can't hold a candle to ferry artistically, but at least you can get an album out of him periodically. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:05:02 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] GQ comments Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > Why don't you relax a little in the shoulder-area, it looks rather tense to me. > Ans perhaps you should save the slaughtering of this new record _until you > have actually heard it_ ?? I'll rub your shoulders for you! Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:08:16 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? Eric Gregory wrote: > just joined this list & i hate to come on so strong, but it's gotta be > awfully self-evident that neither bowie nor ferry really have whatever they > once did. > i can't think of a single record post-1985 by either of those 2 that truly > jazzed me & as far as writing goes (which when yr a singer who doesn't > contribute a whole hell of a lot musically better be damn good, whether its > yr own or outsider's), both have obviously fallen astray. > ferry seems to traffic in nothing but romantic tropes that allegedly "play" > with surfaces (ironic,, huh?) & bowie....jesus christ...i mean those 2 > "concept" pieces from the early-mid 90s were offensively meaningless. > not sure why i'm even throwing my 2 cents in here, but it occurs to me that > there are writers/singers even from that generation who continue to be > fertile, if not always as trenchant as originally (i'm thinking of peter > blegvad of slapp happy, hugh cornwell of stranglers, hell, even lou reed > still occasionally writes a great song (amidst plenty of shit)). > doesn't really matter who tho....just seems to me that part of what made > roxy (up thru siren) & bowie (up thru scary monsters) so fucking worthwhile > was that they wrote GREAT songs. > Avalon Name a songwriter who wrote better songs at 50 than 30. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:09:53 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] It' s later than you think Decophile wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: jas2347@xsite.net > To: Avalon Discussion Group > Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 1:05 AM > Subject: [AVALON] It' s later than you think > > >Yes, and your point is? Too Late MD. Sorry the flight plan has already > >been set. The bombers have left the hangers and will soon be targeting > >selected sites in Scotland, inlcuding your house. Do be a good chap > >though. Make sure that your collection is sent to the Avalon list for > >safe keeping. > > > > Save the bombers. We can force them to watch the MTV music awards...or is > that considered cruel and unusual punishment? > > Gene You mean you don't like Limp Biscuit? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:15:11 -0700 From: Eric Gregory Subject: RE: [AVALON] offtopic huh? i can name a few that write as well...aforementioned peter blegvad. leonard cohen. i'll bet fred neil still writes great songs. i mean, yr right....there aren't many...most go SERIOUSLY downhill (ie. costello, bowie, townshend)...but my point is why get so worked up over obviously inferior product (& let's face it: yes, all pop is product, but solo ferry/ latter day bowie material is market-oriented gloop)?? the last rod stewart album was more soulful/captivating than any ferry, bowie recent work. ______________________________________________ Eric S. Gregory IVR Assistant egregory@standard.com (503) 321-8503 ____________________________________________ - -----Original Message----- From: jspellman [mailto:jspellman@banet.net] Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 12:08 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? Eric Gregory wrote: > just joined this list & i hate to come on so strong, but it's gotta be > awfully self-evident that neither bowie nor ferry really have whatever they > once did. > i can't think of a single record post-1985 by either of those 2 that truly > jazzed me & as far as writing goes (which when yr a singer who doesn't > contribute a whole hell of a lot musically better be damn good, whether its > yr own or outsider's), both have obviously fallen astray. > ferry seems to traffic in nothing but romantic tropes that allegedly "play" > with surfaces (ironic,, huh?) & bowie....jesus christ...i mean those 2 > "concept" pieces from the early-mid 90s were offensively meaningless. > not sure why i'm even throwing my 2 cents in here, but it occurs to me that > there are writers/singers even from that generation who continue to be > fertile, if not always as trenchant as originally (i'm thinking of peter > blegvad of slapp happy, hugh cornwell of stranglers, hell, even lou reed > still occasionally writes a great song (amidst plenty of shit)). > doesn't really matter who tho....just seems to me that part of what made > roxy (up thru siren) & bowie (up thru scary monsters) so fucking worthwhile > was that they wrote GREAT songs. > Avalon Name a songwriter who wrote better songs at 50 than 30. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:38:54 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? Eric Gregory wrote: > i can name a few that write as well...aforementioned peter blegvad. > leonard cohen. > i'll bet fred neil still writes great songs. > > i mean, yr right....there aren't many...most go SERIOUSLY downhill (ie. > costello, bowie, townshend)...but my point is why get so worked up over > obviously inferior product (& let's face it: yes, all pop is product, but > solo ferry/ latter day bowie material is market-oriented gloop)?? > > the last rod stewart album was more soulful/captivating than any ferry, > bowie recent work. Hey I like gloop but, Rod Stewart more soulful? If Shy Guy were here he'd tell you you shouldn't be allowed to listen to Bryan Ferry. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:41:11 EDT From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] GQ comments Hey Kicki, Don't you have some more ugly photos to scan for that dumb website? I believe what Colleen is trying to note is that Ferry's slipping. Just about everywhere. Red Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > We are moody today, aren't we? > Why don't you relax a little in the shoulder-area, it looks rather tense to me. > Ans perhaps you should save the slaughtering of this new record _until you > have actually heard it_ ?? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:49:07 EDT From: RODEISLRED@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry/Bowie blah blah BLAH And can all you old crones--new to the list or otherwise--please STOP with the Ferry/Bowie non-topic? It's like comparing a '59 Cadillac to a Miata. red - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:50:45 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] GQ comments >Hey Kicki, > >Don't you have some more ugly photos to scan for that dumb website? I >believe what Colleen is trying to note is that Ferry's slipping. Just about >everywhere. > >Red Perhaps Jim could rub you shoulders too? /Kicki - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:51:25 -0700 From: "Alison Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? > > As much as I admire Bowie, he does continue to shoot himself in the foot, > > doesn't he. > > His latest look is just stupid, as was him working with crap like Nine Inch > > Nails, Goldie,etc. Perhaps we should send him a pic. of BF from the GQ > > article and show him how to behave and grow mature gracefully. Bowie's attempt to reach younger audiences by touring with Nine Inch Nails may not have been his most respected career move, but I'm glad he did! Being a huge NIN fan at the time, that tour was when Bowie first appeared on my viewscreen. Well, except for my childhood crush on his character in Labyrinth. Alison - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:57:56 -0700 From: "Alison Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? > Name a songwriter who wrote better songs at 50 than 30. Feel free to disagree, but I'm quite fond of Ozzy's later work. Alison - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:00:56 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? - -----Original Message----- From: jspellman To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, September 10, 1999 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? >Eric Gregory wrote: > >> just joined this list & I hate to come on so strong, but it's gotta be >> awfully self-evident that neither bowie nor ferry really have whatever they >> once did. >> I can't think of a single record post-1985 by either of those 2 that truly >> jazzed me & as far as writing goes (which when yr a singer who doesn't >> contribute a whole hell of a lot musically better be damn good, whether its >> yr own or outsider's), both have obviously fallen astray. >> ferry seems to traffic in nothing but romantic tropes that allegedly "play" >> with surfaces (ironic,, huh?) & bowie....jesus christ...i mean those 2 >> "concept" pieces from the early-mid 90s were offensively meaningless. >> not sure why i'm even throwing my 2 cents in here, but it occurs to me that >> there are writers/singers even from that generation who continue to be >> fertile, if not always as trenchant as originally (i'm thinking of peter >> blegvad of slapp happy, hugh cornwell of stranglers, hell, even lou reed >> still occasionally writes a great song (amidst plenty of shit)). >> doesn't really matter who tho....just seems to me that part of what made >> roxy (up thru siren) & bowie (up thru scary monsters) so fucking worthwhile >> was that they wrote GREAT songs. >> Avalon > >Name a songwriter who wrote better songs at 50 than 30. > >Jim Well, maybe not better than, but as good as could include Aerosmith. True, they hit a major slump when Joe Perry left, but regained their old and built a new audience following his return. I think Aerosmith rocks as well as they did before with some pretty good material. The one thing they have over Bowie and Ferry is.....a band. A band that works well enough together to have survived this long in an industry that specializes in flash-in-the-pan acts. Bowie never had better than Ronson and the Spiders and Ferry never had better than the pre '79 Roxy band, a band that not only outlasted Bowie and the Spiders, among other big acts(*) but continued put out much better material until their end. I think Bowie and Ferry still have it, they just refuse to acknowledge or even consider that achieving the quality and depth of their hey day may mean giving up total and absolute control of every single aspect of an album and THAT means having a solid, tried and true band with the freedom to lend to the creative process. Gene *(Neither Lou Reed or Ferry look-a-like Alice Cooper did as well as when they had the Hunter/Wagner band, for instance) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:32:33 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] offtopic huh? Decophile wrote: > Well, maybe not better than, but as good as could include Aerosmith. True, > they hit a major slump when Joe Perry left, but regained their old and built > a new audience following his return. I think Aerosmith rocks as well as they > did before with some pretty good material. The one thing they have over > Bowie and Ferry is.....a band. A band that works well enough together to > have survived this long in an industry that specializes in flash-in-the-pan > acts. > > Bowie never had better than Ronson and the Spiders and Ferry never had > better than the pre '79 Roxy band, a band that not only outlasted Bowie and > the Spiders, among other big acts(*) but continued put out much better > material until their end. > > I think Bowie and Ferry still have it, they just refuse to acknowledge or > even consider that achieving the quality and depth of their hey day may mean > giving up total and absolute control of every single aspect of an album and > THAT means having a solid, tried and true band with the freedom to lend to > the creative process. > > Gene > > *(Neither Lou Reed or Ferry look-a-like Alice Cooper did as well as when > they had the Hunter/Wagner band, for instance) I agree Gene, bands are great. In Roxy Music, Ferry had to pull and be pulled and that brought the best out of him at that time. And I agree that Aerosmith sounds better than ever, but I still think the songs are no where near as inspiring as the early material. I have a video of them in '78 and it was absolutely repulsive to look at. Steve Tyler was horrible and wasted, but, still writing hits at the time. I see them now and they smoke live but the new songs aren't as good. Same with the Stones, they are so much better live, but no more big hits. Same with Fleetwood Mac and Blondie and I'm sure a bunch more. Why do they become better singers, better musicians, tighter as bands but, the songs are just Ok to good.. I may be crazy, but I don't think so. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #270 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest