From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #249 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, August 21 1999 Volume 04 : Number 249 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] lyrics: You Do Something To Me ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Gees] [AVALON] Appalachian AVALONians Bus Trip [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Remasters [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Appalachian AVALONians Bus Trip ["Decophile" ] [AVALON] Re: RFH CD [JObinv01@aol.com] [AVALON] Re: The Wrong Stuff [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: The Wrong Stuff [William Sommers ] [AVALON] Re: Remastered CDs [Brian Lindsay ] Re: [AVALON] Re: The Wrong Stuff ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Appalachian AVALONians Bus Trip [Avalonisse@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:40:00 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: [AVALON] lyrics: You Do Something To Me I was mighty blue Thought my life was through 'Til the heavens opened And I gazed at you Won't you tell me, dear Why, when you appear, Something happens to me And the strangest feeling goes through me You do something to me Something that simply mystifies me Tell me, why should it be, You have the power to hypnotise me Let me live 'neath your spell Do do that voodoo that you do so well For you do something to me That nobody else could do - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:46:04 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Appalachian AVALONians Bus Trip Alright, then. Let's have some speculation, fellow AVALONians, and especially my fellow Appalachian AVALONians. If Bryan tours the US, where will he play and how close will he come to Appalachia? Pittsburgh? Oh, I doubt it. DC? Hmmm. Maybe. My greatest fear is that this will be one of those US tours that only hits New York and LA. I suspect though that Chicago and Detroit are the best possibilites. Other thoughts? And, of course, shall we charter a bus to pick each of us up and transport us to the venue? Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:47:24 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Remasters In a message dated 99-08-19 22:54:34 EDT, you write: << "Mother of Pearl" (accompaniment falls away, vocal tracks repeat "Mother of > Pearl, I wouldn't trade you for another girl") overlaps with the first few > notes of "Sunset." This is a small thing, but it's this sonic detail that > makes those closing two tracks flow so well >> Tell me they haven't butchered the segue from "All I Want Is You" into "Out Of The Blue". Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:04:53 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Appalachian AVALONians Bus Trip I would certainly hope Atlanta would be a stop if he decides to skip Pigeon Forge. Gene - -----Original Message----- From: ASchulberg@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 7:49 AM Subject: [AVALON] Appalachian AVALONians Bus Trip >Alright, then. Let's have some speculation, fellow AVALONians, and especially >my fellow Appalachian AVALONians. If Bryan tours the US, where will he play >and how close will he come to Appalachia? > > Pittsburgh? Oh, I doubt it. > > DC? Hmmm. Maybe. > >My greatest fear is that this will be one of those US tours that only hits >New York and LA. I suspect though that Chicago and Detroit are the best >possibilites. Other thoughts? > >And, of course, shall we charter a bus to pick each of us up and transport us >to the venue? > >Arnie > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Ashar Subject: [AVALON] remastered sound Is the remastered sound any better than The Thrill of It All? I'm ordering FYP anyway, but I feel like Roxy's been remastered so much that I don't want to do much more investment. Neil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:30:55 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: RFH CD In a message dated 12/08/99 14:29:41 GMT, you write: << P.S. I did warn you about the naff quality of the RFH boot - but something was better than nothing and I'm sure Han has managed to make a 'silk purse out of a sow's ear'. I am thinking of investing in a better matched microphone for my MD recorder in time for the ATGB tours later this year????? Or am I just deluding myself again!!!! >> I received my master copy today from Han to make the copies, Han has certainly done a great job of the whole CD and must be applauded for his time and effort, not only in this but in his research on the ATGB tracks and Lyrics. Hip Hip..... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:49:03 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: The Wrong Stuff Some people have written about the remasters could have included b-sides, rarities, demos, live tracks etc like the Bowie rykodisc releases. I felt that a lot of the remnants from the Bowie sessions spoiled the overall quality of the albums and that a lot of the stuff would have been on the original albums if it was good enough. All these tracks collected together and put in a Box set would have been better rather than spread over the individual albums. I don't think that the albums that we know and love is the place to put substandard material. It's not that I don't want this stuff. I would sell my granny to get a recording of Ferry tuning his piano never mind a complete song, but in the right place. A fan club only type release would be the place for this sort of thing as the material is usually interesting rather than entertaining. Di-hard fans would get what they want, and the press wouldn't get the chance to rip it to shreads as it's not an official release. There wasn't much leftovers from the Island era, but post 1979 had more leftovers and outtakes, mainly because of the way they worked and the introduction of portastudios, drum machines sequencers etc.Sketches of songs became quicker and easier to do and didn't need a band set up to get your idea across. Ferry talks about this in some of his later interviews and refers to him doing a scat vocal over a backing track making sounds with his voice that fit the music then taking this away and writing lyrics that fitted with what he ad-libed. Some songs lasted over several albums before they got finished. Is Your Love Strong Enough? started as an Avalon track, by-passed Boys And Girls and arrived 4 years later with Ferry pretending in an interview that it was good to work under pressure and take 6 weeks from nothing to a finished song. I'm glad the track listing has remained, but I would have liked to have seen something like a lyric booklet with maybe sleeve notes from the band members talking about the sessions. Maybe the rarities will come some day when they can't milk the back catalouge any more. Love Is the Drug has been released 15 times with several formats on official Ferry/Roxy products 1 7" 2 Siren album 3 Greatest Hits album 4 Atlantic Years Album 5 The High Road Video 6 Street Life 7 The Ultimate Collection 8 New Town Video 9 Live single 1990 10 Heart Still Beating 11 On The Road Video 12 More Than This 13 The Thrill Of It All 14 Rollo & Sister Bliss Remix 15 Concert Classics What next Love Is The Drug unplugged????? Regards John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:20:16 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: The Wrong Stuff At 02:49 PM 8/20/99 -0400, JObinv01@aol.com wrote: > I felt that a lot of the remnants from the Bowie sessions > spoiled the overall quality of the albums and that a lot of the > stuff would have been on the original albums if it was good > enough. All these tracks collected together and put in a Box set > would have been better rather than spread over the individual > albums. Marketing 101: But that wouldn't promote sales of the remasters to the levels of fan just shy of completist. Spread the tracks out, sell more individual copies, make more money. (Not that I disagree with you in principal -- in fact, I don't expect I'll ever purchase another Bowie item, certainly not a remaster of something I already own and rarely listen to as is, but *would* buy an "alternates" box.) Disclaimer: I've not heard any of these Bowie releases, so have no opinion on whether or not they were "spoiled"... I do have the first several Elvis Costello ones, and thought them rather well done. (There's a long enough pause after the end of the "normal" tracks to allow me to choose whether to continue.) -wfs - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:21:00 -0400 From: Brian Lindsay Subject: [AVALON] Re: Remastered CDs > > From: "Angel Colon" > Subject: [AVALON] Remastered CDs > > Okay I'm a total spazmo for catching on a bit late, but could someone please > tell me how I can order the remastered RM cds? I live in NYC and cannot > find them in any of the major record stores, or online. > > HELP!! > You can order them cheap from one of the Canadian on-line retailers: Check out www.absound.ca or www.hmv.ca. You can get them for less than US$8 each, plus shipping of some cost. If you live in Canada like me, order from www.hmv.ca. They have free shipping until the end of the month within Canada. > > From: "Decophile" > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-issues > > I just came across this in the latest Goldmine. Music Machine > (www.musicmachine.com) is taking advanced orders for the remastered Bryan > Ferry > CDs with "special packaging" (whatever that means) > They list: Another time, Bette Noir, Boys & Girls, Bride Stripped Bare, In > Your Mind, Let`s Stick Together, Mamouna, These Foolish Things, Taxi and > give a release date of 9/14/99. $22 each......ouch! > Well, see above. They'll be cheap enough from Canada!. > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:55:33 -0500 > From: Miles Goosens > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Remasters > > > ...once again, those responsible for the mastering have completely > separated "Mother of Pearl" and "Sunset." > > Grrrrrr. > > For those of you who may not have STRANDED or may have only owned STRANDED > in a CD pressing with the same goof: On the original album, the end of > "Mother of Pearl" (accompaniment falls away, vocal tracks repeat "Mother of > Pearl, I wouldn't trade you for another girl") overlaps with the first few > notes of "Sunset." This is a small thing, but it's this sonic detail that > makes those closing two tracks flow so well. And it's exactly this kind of > small detail that I forked over the import $$$ to get. And more > infuriating, it's something that could have been caught *by actually > listening to the frigging LP* before finishing the CD master!!! > I listened quite closely to the new remaster and it seems fine to me. I compared with my LP - no difference. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:51:10 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: The Wrong Stuff Dear Jock Your piece on remasters was amusing and informed, as per usual. I bought Bowie's "Young Americans" on Cd recently because of the "bonus" tracks and sure enough these extras turned out to be staggeringly disappointing, and, of course, poorer quality than the disc.. For sound and packaging I always find myself trawling back through my vinyl rack. The diamond drawn 'cross vulcanite, as Puxley beautifully phrased it, has never been surpassed. A pal of mine has the franchise for Linn Hifi in Ireland and, when I've filled him with enough Jamieson, he always breaks down and sobs about how the depth and resonnance of vinyl cannot beat compact or mini discs. Call me a Luddite by all means. I'd love to hear the groove of "Don't Stop The Dance" on the remaster and feel the same layers on the original. And this tampering with the end of "Pearl" cannot have been condoned by Byron ; just execs making it CD trackfinder friendly. As for rarities I too suspect that there is little interesting on the cutting room floor prior to 81. From the 80s and 90s, however, I believe there are wonders sitting on tapes in his west London studio. When the Cabernet Sauvignon is riding high in my blood my mind turns to cat burgling those Olympia offices, with Bahi as my trusty lookout and Gareth acting as a kind of Oliver Twist decoy. What jewels we could prise from that musical treasure trove. The remake of "Pearl," perhaps - a fantasy of mine - an eight minute version of Mamouna with Andy on sax (don't you feel it fades out just as its getting interesting ?),that Dave Stewart / Bernard Butler stuff must have mined some gold, and so on. Perhaps we'll never know. Yours, contemplating the drainpipie above, Martini - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:14:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Heather Marie Buch Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: The Wrong Stuff On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 JObinv01@aol.com wrote: > What next Love Is The Drug unplugged????? > How about a duet with Grace Jones? Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:45:47 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: The Wrong Stuff - -----Original Message----- From: JObinv01@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Cc: JObinv01@aol.com Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 2:51 PM Subject: [AVALON] Re: The Wrong Stuff > >Some people have written about the remasters could have included b-sides, >rarities, demos, live tracks etc like the Bowie rykodisc releases. > >I felt that a lot of the remnants from the Bowie sessions spoiled the overall >quality of the albums and that a lot of the stuff would have been on the >original albums if it was good enough. All these tracks collected together >and put in a Box set would have been better rather than spread over the >individual albums. Boy, if there ever was a scam to rehash a CD, the Rykodisc releases were it. I suppose the demos/outtakes on the Bowie Rykodisc could have supported a CD all their own and would have probably sold very well. But, spread them out and sell more!! Anyway, I bought the Ziggy Stardust Rykodisc strictly for the acoustic version of Ziggy Stardust and the piano only version of Lady Stardust. Great! But I certainly didn`t want another John, I`m Only Dancing, the most horrible song Bowie did during that era, IMO. Well, one of three horrible songs and the other two are also included in this release. (Velvet Goldmine and Sweet Head....awful!) The outtakes on the Diamond Dogs Rykodisc also left a lot to be desired. After decades of hearing the kick-ass1980 Floor Show bootleg version of DoDo incorporated into 1984, what we get is this totally hokey studio version lacking any guts. Sheesh, even the people responsible for putting together the Sound and Vision box set saw fit to include the live Floor Show version instead. Even the bootleggers saw fit to trash it and go with the version with Lulu on vocals. Same lame version, only Lulu is singing. I steered clear of Rykodisc after those two. And Bowie really dropped the ball on the 1980 Floor Show. Being one of the most popular Bowie boots in existence, the only version available for decades was the edited for T.V. version taped from the Midnight Special T.V. show. That is, until a year or so ago. Now that the bootleggers have their hands on the original NBC master tape, he`s screwed. (Snip) > > A fan club only type release would be the place for this sort of thing as >the material is usually interesting rather than entertaining. Di-hard fans >would get what they want, and the press wouldn't get the chance to rip it to >shreads as it's not an official release. The days of fan club releases are long gone since the record companies have adopted the "Screw die-hard fans! If we can`t make mega millions off of it, then forget it!" attitude. (Snip) >Maybe the rarities will come some day when they can't milk the back catalogue >any more. > >Love Is the Drug has been released 15 times with several formats on official >Ferry/Roxy products (Snip) >What next Love Is The Drug unplugged????? > Just visit the Lou Reed n.g/mail list. Reed is releasing yet another greatest hits album. That makes 2 box sets and 2 greatest hits albums in what, 5 years? And not one contains the most fan requested material: the two missing tracks from the Live/Rock n Roll Animal show. (How Do You Thing It Feels and Caroline Says) That`s all anyone wants. But Lou contends that he doesn`t like the way his voice sounds. That`s almost as banal as Jeff Beck not liking the pants he wore as his excuse for requesting he be cut out of the Ziggy Stardust Motion Picture video/soundtrack. (Like anyone would see them on the album)Then someone from the Mott The Hoople mail list tells me that Ian Hunter refuses to do any new material on his current tour for fear it will be bootlegged. Give me a f**king break! I swear, the arrogant contempt that the record industry has for the music buying public just staggers me. And they have the gall to label me a criminal for owning a few live recordings. Now, I know a lot of people on the Avalon list are looking forward to the new remastered releases and more power to them. I hope you really enjoy them. But as far as I`m concerned, the record company can shove them. I refuse to be duped into re-buying the same old releases over and over again under the guise "new and improved" when I know good and well there is a wealth of unreleased material just rotting away in some vault. Is this unreasonable? Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:39:25 EDT From: Avalonisse@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Appalachian AVALONians Bus Trip In a message dated 8/20/99 9:44:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ASchulberg@aol.com writes: > And, of course, shall we charter a bus to pick each of us up and transport > us > to the venue? > > Arnie > Sure, Arnie, all three of us....haha. sharon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #249 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest