From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #236 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, August 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 236 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [none] [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9deric_DECLERCQ?= ] [AVALON] Re: [JFROXY@aol.com] [AVALON] same old scene [Colleen Matan ] Re: Re: [AVALON] New member here! [Heather Buch ] [AVALON] Roxy Remasters CHEAP! ["jon jepson" ] Re: [AVALON] the new album ["Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" ] Re: [AVALON] Catching Up [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: Re: [AVALON] Catching Up [Heather Buch ] Re: Re: Re: [AVALON] Catching Up [Alison Brown ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:23:44 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9deric_DECLERCQ?= Subject: [none] Hi, I don't know if I'm doing well sending out this mail as a brand new member of the list. I hope I won't have too much ennemies. But if I'm reading all the messages, it is just because I want to know a max. about the band. This list is also existing (I hope) to express contrary opinons. I finally founf other fan to whom I can express my RM/BF feelings, knowing that they will have a real meaning. Without the knowledge of some of the members, I wanted to give my opinion concerning the new album. First of all, as a RM/BF fan I'm longing to october and the launching of the album. Personally, I'm not awaiting a "Chef-d'Oeuvre" as it is a cover album and through the past, some of BF's cover albums deceived me. Even if I agree that the way he his doing it often very interesting. Just like an architect deciding that the house will be repainting, a new roof buit, a new door,... But the house is there. The mind of the house builder won't disappear. Ferry's songs (best songs) are Ferry's mind, with his own choice of colour, roof and door. I hope we will listen to a great album. The kind of a Chateau Yquem that has been lying a long time in the cellar. But I'm sceptic. Sorry. Then, I still do not understand why, after a millenium since the last album, Ferry is not coming out with a "Ferry/Ferry" album. Is it so expensive or is his creative capacity going downwards? Is he thinking he is getting to old? Soory again, but it is the "chain reaction" of a fan that is waiting ssssssooooooooo long! A third thing : what are all of you thinking of this : one of the charming points and power of the RM/BF music was the saxophone, during the last tour and albums, this instrument is cruelly missing. An album or concert without it is not complete, I think. But may be you'll convince me of the contrary... By the way, I heard on the radio that a tour date is planned in Brussels. So it seems to be thue that a tour is coming by. Something else is that here, in Belgium, after 5 years of radio silence, we hear more and more BF/RM songs... Something is happening! Fréderic - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:49:43 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: In a message dated 06/08/99 11:28:22 GMT Daylight Time, F_DECLERCQ@VANDEPUTTE.COM writes: << A third thing : what are all of you thinking of this : one of the charming points and power of the RM/BF music was the saxophone, during the last tour and albums, this instrument is cruelly missing. An album or concert without it is not complete, >> Couldn't agree with you more Frederic, the sax was always an integral part of the BF/RM sound, hopefully some of the songs on the new album will feature a few solos. JF - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] same old scene On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, [iso-8859-1] Fréderic DECLERCQ wrote: > Then, I still do not understand why, after a millenium since the last > album, Ferry is not coming out with a "Ferry/Ferry" album. Is it so > expensive or is his creative capacity going downwards? Is he thinking he > is getting to old? Soory again, but it is the "chain reaction" of a fan > that is waiting ssssssooooooooo long! and On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Richard wrote: > >one thing, though -- am i off here, or didn't he get dropped by his label? > >if so, who's he with for this release? > > As stated earlier today, it seems Bryan can't get his original material > released at the moment but ATGB is on Virgin. Can't understand the > inability to get a deal for new material - if it's somewhat uncommercial how > does this differ from ATGB from which the record company is apparently > unable to lift a track that would receive sufficient airplay to succeed as a > single? First, welcome to Frderic, and from Richard's post you will see that he did have an album of original material which was rejected by the record company. As for why this covers album would get a green light--it's safe for the reasons I brought up the other day and I would not say that ATGB would in any way be considered "somehow uncommercial." On the contrary. The faithful will of course buy it, and then the marketing can tap into the aging yuppie market who buy all of these "cocktail party" albums. I think it's extremely marketable and probably unobjectionable as well (I don't have much hope that there will be some kind of ironic interplay between the old familiar songs and some kind of inventive arrangements, sorry). Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:59:46 -0400 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] New member here! - --_uReach_com_26916734993395158620984xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's what I pulled off the internet: If S is any nonempty Partially Ordered Set in which every Chain has an upper bound, then S has a maximal element. Now, as I think I recall my husband, who is a mathematician, explain it to me, I think it means that if there is a set of numbers which has a subset that is smaller than or equal to it, than the set which includes the subset cannot be infinite. Another way I have heard it explained is by the example, if there are two trains heading toward one another at a given speed, and a bird is flying back and forth betwen the two trains at twice the speed, then the bird can fly back and forth betweent the trains infinitely, without ever touching them. There is also a 60's art film called "Zorn's Lemma." I'm probably wrong about the 1st example, but then again, I'm the mathematician's wife, not the mathematician. Heather - ---- Jeff Hogan jeffh@no-frills.mpce.mq.edu.au wrote ---- > > >Is this one of those logical statements that sounds simple, but > >is actually highly mystifying? Like Zorn's lemma? > > Hi Heather, > > How about stating Zorn's lemma for the non-mathematically trained? > Then we can kick on to the Riemann hypothesis. > > Jeff Hogan > > -- > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com - --_uReach_com_26916734993395158620984xxx_-- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 11:31:34 PDT From: "jon jepson" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Remasters CHEAP! ATTN: US Avalonians While searching feverishly for the remasters on line, I found that A&B Sound has them (or will, they are listed as OUT OF STOCK) for a mere US$7.74 each! I ordered one of each. It doesn't specify if they are the "mini-album" cover versions, it just says REMASTERED. It also lists the label as CAP for capitol (they distribute virgin in the US, so same/same) At that price, whether they are the mini album version or not is not important, as most of us have the vinyl anyway!(?) So go to: www.absound.ca set up an account, and get 'em cheap! jon _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:13:14 +0200 From: "Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the new album Mark wrote: I just hope he doesn't tour *only* on this album. I hope he does! The new album is about 60 minutes I guess. Not enough for a concert. That means live more new songs or he plays the standards he did in the past like These Foolish Things and You go to my Head. Another possibility is that he plays old numbers that works well in combination with those standards.. Bete Noire, End of the Line, Sunset, When she walks in the room to name a few. Although I can see some people shiver, it would be a surprise. Smokey night-club situation... What do we get in a more rock orientated concert:...45 minutes new material and then " there's that melody again". On almost all the concerts he played after the Siren tour we get In every dream home..Casanova..editions... Do the strand.. Love is the drug etc. Nice for the people who only have streetlife but I'm not really interested in those songs because I've heard and seen them thousand times before. the last time Carrickfergus was a highlight not only because he never done that one before but also because the way he did it: simple. BTW Frederic is right. The last two tours without a wailing saxophone and instead a synthsax in Casanova Bhrrrr what a shame. Regards Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 17:10:56 -0400 From: Jim Spellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] the new album Han Snijders en Willy v/d Geest wrote: > I hope he does! The new album is about 60 minutes I guess. Not enough for a > concert. That means live more new songs or he plays the standards he did in > the past like These Foolish Things and You go to my Head. Another > possibility is that he plays old numbers that works well in combination with > those standards.. Bete Noire, End of the Line, Sunset, When she walks in > the room to name a few. Although I can see some people shiver, it would be a > surprise. Smokey night-club situation... This makes a lot of sense Han. A few songs from Taxi, Bride etc..Maybe Feel the Need, Crazy Love, Smoke , Go to My Head... it would be a nice change, I wish he would play smokey clubs. It would lend a better atmosphere to this type of music. > What do we get in a more rock orientated concert:...45 minutes new material > and then " there's that melody again". On almost all the concerts he played > after the Siren tour we get In every dream home..Casanova..editions... Do > the strand.. Love is the drug etc. Nice for the people who only have > streetlife but I'm not really interested in those songs because I've heard > and seen them thousand times before. the last time Carrickfergus was a > highlight not only because he never done that one before but also because > the way he did it: simple. I saw the last tour, it was a thrill, and that song was brilliantwith Neil Hubbard, but by the end of the show, Strand time, it was as if I had already seen it before. For an artist who is always reinventing himself I wish he would dump some of the regulars for some deeper cuts. > BTW Frederic is right. The last two tours without a wailing saxophone and > instead a synthsax in Casanova Bhrrrr what a shame. I actually liked the Casanova guitar and synth solo on Newtown. For me if it's not Andy or David Sanborn it just doesn't seem right. Last show he had some guy play on about 5 tunes, which was kind of strange. Either have a sax player or don't. I wonder if Sanborn was available for Live Aid? His NY session mate Marcus Miller was there. Regards, Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:02:37 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Catching Up In a message dated 8/5/99 8:10:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, aliebling@geocities.com writes: << I have a grand total of 16 years to my name, which makes me too young to be a Gen X'er but too old to like the Backstreet Boys, thank god. >> Wow, I'm impressed. So young and with SUCH good taste. Arnie (The Old Man On The List) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:42:05 -0400 From: Heather Buch Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Catching Up - --_uReach_com_2691673499339937258363xxx_ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this is Alison who said this? Well, welcome! Arnie's right. Roxy Music is an excellent band to be into when you're sweet 16. I wish my taste had been that good back then. It was, almost. I liked Japan and the New York Dolls. Do you like glam rock (the really wild "early Roxy" stuff, or do you like Ferry's later, smoother sounds? I like it all, but lean most strongly toward the early stuff. Ciao, Heather - ---- ASchulberg@aol.com ASchulberg@aol.com wrote ---- > In a message dated 8/5/99 8:10:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > aliebling@geocities.com writes: > > << I have a grand total of 16 years to my name, which makes me too young > to > be a > Gen X'er but too old to like the Backstreet Boys, thank god. > >> > > Wow, I'm impressed. So young and with SUCH good taste. > > Arnie (The Old Man On The List) > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ________________________________________________ Get your own "800" number - Free Free voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com - --_uReach_com_2691673499339937258363xxx_-- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:30:23 -0800 From: Alison Brown Subject: Re: Re: Re: [AVALON] Catching Up I haven't heard any of the later Roxy or Ferry's solo work! Which probably seems like a major oversight on my part, but for some reason all I've been finding in my local record stores are the earlier Roxy albums. I actually tried to buy Avalon today, since I've heard so much about it - in online reviews I've read everyone is always dropping the title like it's some defining moment for the band. ("Fans of Avalon might not like this.... If Avalon is the only album you've heard, X might surprise you...." etc.) But I was told that it's been "discontinued!" Alison At 8/6/99 10:42:00 PM, you wrote: >I think this is Alison who said this? Well, welcome! Arnie's >right. Roxy Music is an excellent band to be into when you're >sweet 16. I wish my taste had been that good back then. It was, >almost. I liked Japan and the New York Dolls. Do you like glam >rock (the really wild "early Roxy" stuff, or do you like Ferry's >later, smoother sounds? I like it all, but lean most strongly >toward the early stuff. > >Ciao, > >Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #236 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest