From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #217 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, July 19 1999 Volume 04 : Number 217 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Re: ICQ ["Richard" ] Re: [AVALON] I know I'm going to hate myself in the morning, [Bahi Para <] [AVALON] Vapor [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] top #1 women [William Sommers ] Re: [AVALON] I know I'm going to hate myself in the morning, ["Will Frec] Re: [AVALON] Re: ICQ ["Will Frechette" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Trower [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Vapor [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V4 #216 [HipChip ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Trower ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Photo [SanJHunt@aol.com] Re: Re: [AVALON] Canvas & Broads, Pt 2 [Alison Brown Subject: [AVALON] Re: ICQ I have just downloaded this software - am I right in saying I've seen list members quoting ICQ numbers occasionally? Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:09:33 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] I know I'm going to hate myself in the morning, Colleen wrote: >(Yes, my dear Bahi, this is an invitation for you to expound on your >theory with respect to Mr. Ferry's most recent output.) I would gratefully accept but our friend James not only gets it but can describe it, too - something that appears to be beyond me. And anyway, I think it was Bete Noire that I was rambling on about, and that's the odd one out among our downtrodden hero's recent work. I still think it was originally a last ditch attempt at flippant, commercial-but-ironic electronica, later subjected to months of remixing by a panic-stricken Bryan, trying to build a real Ferry album after all, hoping no one would notice the foam and injection-moulded struts and braces through the uneven gaps between those exquisite, wafer-thin veneers. It's an ambitious, unsettled, unhappy album but consistently so and all the better for it. I love it, and will one day manage to say something useful about it. Meanwhile, I'm very glad to hear that Mamouna is sounding good. Have been staying in hotels and on unwired friends' sofas, and checking this e-mail account from an assortment of London cybercafés over the last few weeks, hence the lack of clatter from this keyboard. Hoping to be settled in two weeks' time, so set up those kill-files. O, venomous and venerable Vapor: if Bob Dylan didn't write Not Dark Yet and Love Sick about or for you then you must have ghosted them for him. If you're really not planning on sticking around, then do at least drift in from time to time. And please send us all copies of that lab report. Your experiments sound most interesting and only independent confirmation of their results can lend them the credibility they need and hence the influence they surely deserve. William Sommers: I add my vote for that Cramps story. Till next week, Bahi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:41:17 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Vapor Our dear Vapor seems to be quite a collector: http://www.deja.com /[ST_rn=ap]/profile.xp?author=jvapor7@aol.com%20(JVapor7)&ST=PS /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 09:44:22 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] top #1 women At 04:09 PM 7/18/99 +0100, Bahi Para wrote: > William Sommers: I add my vote for that Cramps story. Okay, okay, loathe as I am to attempt to follow a Vaporous Visitation (and strapped for time as well), this one's for Red, Bahi and that person I've been email-neglecting terribly this past week. They -- well, 2 of 3 anyway - -- shall share the blame for this in-no-way-Roxy content... (Actually, we in attendance were all Roxy fans, and I suppose there might be some glam influence on the original Cramps look. So there.) It must have been late '77 or early '78 -- was definitely winter weather -- when The Cramps first left NYC to play other scenes. I think they'd just released their first vinyl, an EP, so were hardly well known... which certainly showed in the choice of venue for their first Washington D.C. gig. We didn't read the tickets closely enough and were having a little trouble in locating the club. Oh wait, that's [whatever] Street *S.E.* (southeast DC not being a place a white boy would normally ever find himself, especially after dark). It turned out to be a tiny below-street dive, our pale faces causing no small amount of controversy when they popped out from the stairwell. I suspect the "voodoo" part of Voodoo Rockabilly threw the management for a loop... it quickly became clear this was neither the crowd nor the music they'd been expecting. The Cramps were apparently no less surprised to find a tiny low-ceiling room with a maximum capacity of maybe 120 and a "stage" raised no more than 8 inches and "separated" from the floor by a little metal railing which butt right up against it. The drum kit occupied a full third of the space, leaving no room for their antics, barely enough to stand and play. So, looking about with undisguised disgust, they walk out, gingerly take positions and proceed to tear down the house (literally... Lux Interior is not a short man and soon engaged in battle with the acoustic tiling, which lost). Musically, they... well, they were the original line-up of The Cramps. Who never disappointed any time I ever saw them (I never saw a show after Bryan Gregory was ousted for selling off their equipment upon orders from Satan). We having been the first to arrive, I had the choice spot in the house -- right up against the railing directly opposite Poison Ivy. She's not one for eye contact, but it's pretty hard to ignore somebody who's in your face, 18" away, for long. Mosh pits weren't yet the violent morasses they soon became, but I still managed to have my shirt ripped open at some point. She grinned ever so slightly, stopped playing, tucked away her pick and slowly but firmly drew her nails down my chest. Then resumed rhythm as Nick Knox, pounding all the while, bobbed his head in amusement. What with tattered shirt and bleeding scratch marks, I'm not sure I could have explained myself around town later that night, much less walking back through our front door in conservative suburbia, had it not been winter weather, thus requiring jacket. Needless to say, that club never again booked an unknown act. It's still one of my favorite shows ever. -wfs - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:43:39 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] I know I'm going to hate myself in the morning, Oh yeah, I go on about it, no big deal, Vapor mentions it and you have to give it a listen. And I was going to drive to Georgia just to make a strait chick out of you. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Matan > but I was compelled earlier, while desultorily pretending to be writing > part of my Nightmare Project From Hell, to dig out (and dust off) > _Mamouna_, based on a laborious second reading of Vapor's emission, in > order to listen to "Your Painted Smile." > > Is this same album I greeted with such indifference lo, these many years? > Or did someone replace it with something decent while I was out? > > (Yes, my dear Bahi, this is an invitation for you to expound on your > theory with respect to Mr. Ferry's most recent output.) > > Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:44:34 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: ICQ that's right. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 1999 5:00 AM Subject: [AVALON] Re: ICQ > I have just downloaded this software - am I right in saying I've seen list > members quoting ICQ numbers occasionally? > > Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:03:52 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Trower - --part1_8974205b.24c38d28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/99 3:05:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RODEISLRED@aol.com writes: << I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the approx hour long MTV special from Brazil (?) with Trower in the band. I have a copy, not the best quality. Willing to trade for good live stuff. >> Hey, Red. I'll take a copy, if you please. My bootleg list is attached as a .txt file. Arnie - --part1_8974205b.24c38d28_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; name="TRADEA~1.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="TRADEA~1.TXT" =D0=CF=11=E0=A1=B1=1A=E1 - --part1_8974205b.24c38d28_boundary-- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Vapor On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > Our dear Vapor seems to be quite a collector: [dejanews link deleted] Now, now, folks, it's not considered nice to throw people's DejaNews profiles in their faces. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:45:42 +0000 From: HipChip Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V4 #216 Vapor, I have finally figured out who you are. You are F. from L. Cohen's profanely haunting novel, "The Beautiful Losers". I still enjoy your long letters. God Bless You!! I thought you were dead. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 17:40:13 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Trower - -----Original Message----- From: ASchulberg@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Trower > >Hey, Red. I'll take a copy, if you please. My bootleg list is attached as a >.txt file. > >Arnie > Hey Arnie, I opened your boot list attachment and the only thing listed was, "ÐÏࡱá" What does that translate to? Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:09:52 EDT From: SanJHunt@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Photo In a message dated 7/14/99 11:45:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jas2347@xsite.net writes: << Subject: [AVALON] very bizarre picture of Roxy Music Go to my web site, and, from the right-hand frame, navigate to the section on band pictures. Heather >> And the address is......??? Later, Sandra - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 21:59:41 -0800 From: Alison Brown Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Canvas & Broads, Pt 2 I think "dazed" would be a good word to describe the expression on my face after reading that. Um, what? I have to go digest it now. - -Alison At 7/17/99 7:56:00 PM, you wrote: >To the people who know Jimmy Vapor: >You all knew this was coming sooner or later. > >To all the newbies: >Don`t be alarmed! He`s quite harmless. >(And let me state for the record, there are NO plans for an Avalon Pez >Dispenser.) > >Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 00:33:47 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Coverups in Chi-town Attention Chicago/Midwest fans of Avalonia: Did anyone read the July 16, 1999 column by Jim DeRogatis of the Chicago Sun-times ? It was about the readers of his column sending in their votes for the worst cover versions of songs of all time. While I agreed with the bulk of the respones, one in particular caught my eye and my ire. This was the one: Your question about covers is a good one. I could go all day, but the most blatantly horrible ones are Orgy, ``Blue Monday''; Marilyn Manson, ``Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This),'' and Roxy Music, ``Jealous Guy.'' I can't believe people complain that Nike ripped off John Lennon but don't realize that Roxy Music stole not only the song from Lennon but did it at a vulnerable time shortly after his death, using it to describe his assassin! Dave Dixon I was shocked and appalled at what this guy had written about Roxy. Of course I had to reply to such blasphemy. My response follows. If anyone wants to read the complete article here is the address: http://www.suntimes.com/output/rock/16live.html For those who are not familiar, Jim DeRogatis is a local columnist who writes about music and the local Chicago scene. He has a definite bias for new and obscure bands and has ranted a lot lately against such "Dinosaur" bands such as the Stones, Bowie, and even the Cure(whom he descibed after their last visit here in 1997 as an "oldies" band-huh..) He has even went so far to say that Sgt. Pepper's Lonley Hearts Club Band was not a good Beatle album but a lesser one in comparison to Pet Sounds by the Beach Boys ( which we all know inspired Paul McCarthy to write SPLHB) . I disagree of course but I'm not a critic. So folks I'm, sorry to take up so much space, but I had to alert you to what I saw as misguided information. Jas Chicago Here is my response Jim D: Dave's Dixon's objection to Roxy Music covering Jealous Guy was WAY off the mark. There was no explotation nor was there an attempt to cash in on people's memories of John in the aftermath of the assasination. I'm quite sure that Bryan Ferry was in shock and grieveing like the rest of us when we heard that John Lennon was assassinated. It only seemed a fitting tribute to the man and his music, that he got the rest of Roxy Music to cover one of John's most beautiful post-Beatles ballads. Bryan Ferry has covered other Lennon tunes on his solo albums without Roxy and was an obvious fan of John Lennon's body of work. This Jealous Guy cover version was not meaning to demean the tragedy nor give credence to Mark David Chapman. If anything, it gave some solace and comfort to those of us who were true fans. How this guy came to this conclusion his way beyond logic. When Roxy was still a viable recording/touring group, they included this tune as part of their live shows and it was a standout. Bryan has even included the number in some of his post Roxy shows as well. It's obvious that this guy knows nothing of Roxy Music nor Bryan Ferry. He should have done some research before writing his response. I can think of a thousand covers more worse than this. Jas Beatles/Lennon/ Roxy Music fan - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 22:29:40 -0800 From: Alison Brown Subject: Re: [AVALON] I Prefer A Canvas With A Broad Lem, since you seem to be in a forwarding mood: Example of the goings-on of the Roxy Music list - proof that glam twists the mind and exalts the soul, no? More coming.... At 7/17/99 2:19:00 PM, you wrote: >My Fellow Avalonians, > >Tonight the light of love is in your eyes but will, will, WILL you still love >me in oh, say, TEN MINUTES, ahahaha-HA. Well, well, what's happened here in >Avalontown? Torn down all the cabanas and beachfront love shacks only to put >up faceless condos and dreary fish 'n chips stands...hmmmm, Vapor SMELLS a >RAT...Don't want to learn about Eddy-Kette From Fros-Tee Euro-Police. The >way is dark and I cannot dog-paddle over...running wild, all my dreams have >DEFINITELY fallen through. Taxi, take me to the outside of Avalonia...pedal >to the metal. >It is late here inside Casa Del UnderPants at the luxurious retreat they call >Vapor Farms. Vaporettes, I have a stiffy and can I live in your stink...I >mean, Get me a Drink and make it a Stiff One. Tonight Mr Vapor is very, >very sad. Boo-Hoo Sad. For Vapor sold his $1.98 soul to a Roque and Rolle >Star who has stuck a rusty shiv in his back and left him for dead. Who would >have thought? I may die of a broken heart after all. >Kip Anderson is singing on my ancient stereo. 'I Will Cry.' 'Letter To My >Darling.' 'You'll Lose A Good Thing.' 'I Wanna Be The Only One.' Anderson >made a handful of deep soul 45s--this UTTER GENIUS didn't even rate an >ALBUM--for a variety of non-labels, singing his guts out and getting less >than a non-career in return. Tragic magic. A fat, sweaty Afro-Delic GOD >wailing over Pussy Lost and Pussy Never Had. Kip Anderson--My Hero. I >wasted years of my life ferreting through hundreds of dusty 45s just trying >to find that one exquisite record by Kippy. I wonder if you Avalona-tubbies >have ever searched for anything besides your car keys...If Vapor had a >million buckaroos he'd hand it over to Kip, stick him on a private jet, and >have him personally visit each and every Avabalonian just so he could park >his big fat Aus on your pudgy white forehead, leaving a Stinky Skidmark of >Soul. Kip's made a couple of non-Comeback CDs--crap, of course. That's the >way it goes. Everything turns to shit sooner or later. Everything--I mean, >look at the Hat Choices Ferry made inside the sleeve of 'Taxi'. >Did you ever want something really, truly bad and not 'get' it? Ever feel >like the world's passing you by as you tappity-tappity on the dusty keyboard >of life? You can tell Mr Vapor...honest. I won't hurt you. Yet. As >drunken ol' Will generously acknowledged, it is Vapor's 74th birthday, and I >want to give my little Avalamians a little going-away gift From Me To You, >Vapor Style. So put your sweet lips a little closer to the screen. >Last Night I had a dream. You were in it. I was in it with you. In this >dream I am Dr Cyclops--as played by the late, great Albert Dekker. A Giant >Manimal, and I have captured all you tiny weeny teenie Alabamians and stuck >you in little jars. My own living Avalant Farm. What a joy, picking each >of you up with my tweasers, prodding poking and studying--I must to say you >looked far prettier in this state than that Parade of Poorly-Scanned >Mummification Koocki has erected. A pity Francis Bacon has left us. >In This Jar, Stage Left: That Pop T'Art Ninny Heather jitterbugging around >naked, flower pot atop her head, mumbling something about Nam June Paik and >spinning Yoko discs for the lucky unborn. BULLETIN: Heather has just >discovered that 'the internet' is not exactly bringing people 'closer'. She >also claims to have invented Fire and The Wheel...Avalon Cootie Bug Matan >sits alone in her barren jar, furtive and unknowable, copying over her >Enemies List yet again with shaky hand and dull pencil. She I had to keep on >a seperate shelf--Does Not Play Well With Others. To quoth those Poets they >call Poison, Every Rose Must Have Its Thorn. And somehow I keep forgetting >to water Arnie's jar. Oh well. >The Martinet kept droning on and on and ON and insisted on reading his >fucking poetry, so I stuck him in a pickle jar. The children were SO >Relieved. "Daddy made us listen to a lecture on The Noble Vocal Stylings of >David Booie, circa Lodger! And there was a QUIZ! WAAAH!" Now, now... come >sit upon Unca Vapor's knee...why, such a soft jumper you're wearing, >junior...Shake That Full Diaper Into The Air, Takes Me Right Back... >Just 4 Fun I stuck The Martinet's head on Koocki's body (the left-over >cranium I used for the Avalon Pez Dispenser, avail Xmas 2525). You should >have SEEN little Martinki--that shiny cueball head atop a body only a 70s >lime-green jumpsuit could love....Decophile soiled himself because he thought >it was Jobraith. Half investment banker, half journalist, all squawk box and >only two inches tall, that damn Martinki critter clucked away so >unrelentingly I finally had to take my thumb and just squash it. What a >mess! Have you ever seen a Martinki explode? Not a pretty picture. >Puss-yellow goo, a volcano-sized zit explosion...where do you think all that >'poesy' comes from, anyway? Don't worry, I've adopted the children. They >need a dad like Vapor. And guess what kids--Big Daddy's got Marilyn Manson >tickets! All RIGHT, you can wear the reindeer costumes! School's Out...For >Summer, For LIFE...YAYYYY! > >....cont... > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 01:05:00 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] Coverups in Chi-town At 12:33 AM 7/19/99 -0500, jas2347@xsite.net wrote: >For those who are not familiar, Jim DeRogatis is a local columnist who >writes about music and the local Chicago scene. He has a definite bias >for new and obscure bands and has ranted a lot lately against such >"Dinosaur" bands such as the Stones, Bowie, and even the Cure(whom he >descibed after their last visit here in 1997 as an "oldies" band-huh..) >He has even went so far to say that Sgt. Pepper's Lonley Hearts Club >Band was not a good Beatle album but a lesser one in comparison to Pet >Sounds by the Beach Boys ( which we all know inspired Paul McCarthy to >write SPLHB) . I disagree of course but I'm not a critic. While I'm certainly 100% behind Jas' attempt to set the record straight on the Dave Dixon letter about Roxy's "Jealous Guy," I've got to at least halfway defend Jim DeRogatis. I have my disagreements with DeRogatis' opinions, like I do with all critics (perhaps most sharply with his article on Wire's career in THE TROUSER PRESS GUIDE TO '90s ROCK -- Jim Green's analysis of Wire in the previous editions of the TP guide was far superior IMO), but he's an able and perceptive writer who's always able to muster evidence to support his opinions instead of just making blanket assertions. I could be misreading what Jas is saying above, but I sure don't feel like any album or group should be above criticism, and holding up Jim's opinion of SGT. PEPPER as evidence of DeRogatis' crimes against humanity strikes me as wrongheaded. In fact, my opinion of the relative merits of PET SOUNDS and SGT. PEPPER is exactly the same as DeRogatis', and I'm not even a particularly avid Beach Boys fan. And I know many fellow Beatles fans who think that SGT. PEPPER isn't so great, so it's not as radical as an opinion as Jas seems to think. And as for championing "new and obscure bands," what's so wrong with that? Certainly the Stones don't need any more ink, and their last vital new work (though their '97-'99 tour has been very strong) was as far back as [pick one: a) 1981 b) 1978 c) 1972], so suggesting that your money might be better spent on a record by the Flaming Lips or You Am I doesn't strike me as such a radical suggestion. I'll also remind folks that Roxy Music remains an "obscure band" in most of the U.S. to this very day. later, Miles ====================================================== Miles Goosens R. Stevie Moore website http://www.rsteviemoore.com My personal website http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles "If a million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." -- Anatole France ====================================================== - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #217 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest