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avalon-digest         Wednesday, June 16 1999         Volume 04 : Number 179



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [AVALON] adults only           [Daniel Atterbom <atterbom@kompost.com>]
  Re: [AVALON] Bry at Meltdown  ["Martin Stockman" <martinstockman@btinterne]
  Re: [AVALON] Effigies, Heathens, and Heretics....Oh My  [Neil Ashar <neila]
  [AVALON] The Worst/Best Compilation  [Kicki Gustafsson <kicki.gustafsson@o]
  Re: [AVALON] notebooks                                 [ASchulberg@aol.com]
  Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation                     [ASchulberg@aol.com]
  Re: [AVALON] adults only                               [ASchulberg@aol.com]
  Re: [AVALON] Roxy Video Clips                          [ASchulberg@aol.com]
  Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation                     [ASchulberg@aol.com]
  Re: [AVALON] The Worst/Best Compilation                [ASchulberg@aol.com]
  Re: [AVALON] The Worst/Best Compilation  [Chris Sigetti <kinghorse@hotmail]
  [AVALON] Ferry Sighting!                   [ferryman@freeuk.com (ferryman)]
  Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation (Your RIGHT AND I'm ALL WRONG!)  ["John ]
  Re: [AVALON] Roxy Video Clips  ["Han Snijders" <snijders.geest@gironet.nl>]

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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:19:40 +0200
From: Daniel Atterbom <atterbom@kompost.com>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] adults only

At 03.29 +0200 99-06-14, Heather Marie Propes wrote:
>Martin, well fine then, you're right and I'm wrong. I had no idea John had
>a first wife. Shows what I know. Why did they break up?

Because John was beating her up (listen to "Sgt Pepper"), being unfaithful
("Norwegian Wood") and on a flight from India to London in front of the
whole plane namned every woman he had had sex with. When Cynthia came home
from Greece and found Yoko in her morninggown it was too much to take.

Do read Ian MacDonald's excellent "Revolution in the Head".

Daniel

Daniel Atterbom
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Senator Edmund Muskie "talks with the desperation of a farmer with terminal
cancer trying to borrow money on next year's crop".

Senator Edmund Muskie "låter lika desperat som en dödligt cancersjuk bonde
som försöker låna pengar på nästa års skörd".

Hunter S Thompson "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72"

Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt
medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare.

This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:58:46 +0100
From: "Martin Stockman" <martinstockman@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bry at Meltdown

London listings rag Time Out carries following quote from Nick Cave re Hal
Willner's Harry Smith Project at Royal Festival Hall , July 2nd..

"This one' sjust growing and growing. It's like a mini Meltdown stuck at the
end. <Its the last night of the festival> The singers we've got sofar
include Jarvis Cocker, Mary Margaret O'Hara and Bryan Ferry. I've asked
chrissie Hynde too, and David Johansen. They'll be backed by a band that Hal
Wilner is sorting out, includong Howie B."

Put the champagne on ice ! Like a summer with a thousand Julys. Le Ferrari
is back !

pip pip, 

Captain Cook 




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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:02:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Neil Ashar <neilashar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] Effigies, Heathens, and Heretics....Oh My

Jas, let's agree to disagree. I am no longer unshaven nor full of wine
(full of coffee, more like), so you no longer have an effigy of me,
which, let's face it, wouldn't resemble me in the least anyhow. You say
Bete Noire is layered, exquisite, and improves with every listening;
that's what I think about Mamouna. We're both in minorities for the
vocal part of this list nowadays anyway. 
Ciao,
Asbestos Neil
> 
> Overproduced-No.  Layered-Yes.  It's a feast for the ears just like
> Boys
> and Girls.  I get lost in the mix absorbing every note of every
> track. 
> I hear it differently every time.  I think it is a testament to Bryan
> that he could layer the tracks and still convey the passion/emotion
> without overwhelming the listner-you being the exception.  That's my
> story and I'm sticking to it.  :))))
> 
> Jas
> 
> PS: Unshaven,and full of wine... Hmmm.... I think I get the picture. 
> Time to light up . I'll just throw another brickette on the fire.
> Burn
> Heretic!
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:03:52 +0100
From: Kicki Gustafsson <kicki.gustafsson@op.se>
Subject: [AVALON] The Worst/Best Compilation

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Yes, yes, no doubt you've been asking yourselves: Where is she?
Has Kicki G (as in Great, or in some counties, Geordie) left the list?
Where is her Worst Compilation? Was that too heavy for the petite
Scandinavian? And what about the Best Compilation?

Well, fear no more, I'm still here, still trying to find that damned cover
I promised Arnie to scan and still yearning for M-M-M-Martinique.
But putting together the lists took more time than I realised. First of
all, I had to look through all the records. Some of them haven't really
been on my playlist since...oh...1983 I'd guess, so there were quite a few
song titles that meant absolutely nothing to me now. "To Turn You On"?
"Spin Me Round"? "No Strange Delight"??
I have all the Roxy-records on CD except Flesh+Blood and Viva!, so I had to
pull out the old stereo and try to remember how the record player should be
handled.
Talk about taking a trip down Memory Lane...all those lyrics on F+B...are
they all about Jerry Hall? I remember thinking so back in 80-81. And what's
No Strange Delight about - cocaine? Or Jerry once more?

So, here are my lists. I have left out all solowork (I don't even own all
of Ferry's records and none of the other members') and been strictly
Roxyesque, even though Mart Stock writes " My main point  is that Roxy and
Ferry are inseparable". I belong to the stock conservative group in which
we consider Roxy's first 5 plus Viva! as "the real" Roxy, and the last 3 as
"nearly Roxy" (I feel it's safer if I don't say anything at all regarding
Ferry's solowork...)

The Ten Worst - in no particular order
1. Cry, Cry, Cry
2. My Little Girl
3. While My Heart Is Still Beating
4. The Bob
5. She Sells
6. Still Falls The Rain
7. Flesh and Blood
8. Tara
9. Would You Believe
10. Rain, rain, rain

The Ten Best - in no particular order:
1. Mother of Pearl
2. The Thrill of it All
3. Street Life
4. Do the Strand (on Viva!)
5. Psalm
6. Casanova
7. End of the Line
8. More Than This
9. Out of the Blue
10. Avalon


Jim Spellman (my favourite crumpled khakis wearer - yes, I have saved that
special mail, Jimmy dear) wrote:

>I'm still miffed that the original Angel Eyes was
>left off the Manifesto CD in favor of the disco version.
>It's not like it's not on enough of the greatest
>hits collections, and why try and change history, I
>still haven't dropped the $80 to get the real version
>on the box set.

Couldn't agree with you more. When I now listened to Angel Eyes on my
Manifesto picture disc (those where the days - it looked good but sounded
awful) I found that the first version is  better then the disco version.
The latter didn't last very long after 1979.

John Fohrman wrote:
>Finally, I'm a musician, and primarily a vocalist.  Rationalize as some of
>you may, his voice wasn't fully developed until the late Roxy period.
>Although I admit he lost some of his edge along with it.

I just can't believe how you can write that! I'd say that Ferry peaked as a
singer on Stranded and Country Life. His voice is much richer, broader,
fuller, has a vider range altogether than in later years. He sounds
passionate as hell on some tracks and old and disillusioned on others. He
is able to _do_ more with his voice.
But something happened after 1977 (Jerry again?). Suddenly his voice is
pitched higher, he sounds indecisive and bland. That wonderful _manly_
quality got lost somehow. When I listen to Mamouna it's difficult to
understand that this is the guy who used to sing "Mother of Pearl" and "The
Thrill of it all"! (Please Martin, stay calm, count to 10, remember that
this is MY opinion, not yours or the rest of the list's)

I know my place is here with you tonight, but not together
Kisskisskiss
/Kicki G



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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:32:05 EDT
From: ASchulberg@aol.com
Subject: Re: [AVALON] notebooks

In a message dated 6/13/99 2:11:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
matanc@gusun.georgetown.edu writes:

<< Finally, welcome to Amy and Leighton.  Please be assured that despite what
 you may have heard, you don't need an art history degree to participate
 here. >>

Ah, but it helps.

Arnie




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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:32:07 EDT
From: ASchulberg@aol.com
Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation

In a message dated 6/13/99 10:44:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jspellman@banet.net writes:

<<  Track Eight      Gemini Moon >>
 >
 > I don't remember this one. Where does it appear?
 >
 > Arnie
 >
 
 Right after track seven.  >>

In the words of Homer Simpson, "Doh".

Guess I've ignored this one from Mamouna at my peril.

Arnie




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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:32:21 EDT
From: ASchulberg@aol.com
Subject: Re: [AVALON] adults only

In a message dated 6/15/99 1:19:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
atterbom@kompost.com writes:

<< Do read Ian MacDonald's excellent "Revolution in the Head".  >>


This is NOT the Ian MacDonald from King Crimson, right?

Arnie




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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:32:17 EDT
From: ASchulberg@aol.com
Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Video Clips

In a message dated 6/14/99 9:57:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ferryman@freeuk.com writes:

<<  found this incredible list of available video clips whilst browsing. 
Guess this guy's kinda
 fanatical. Is the owner among us?
 
 If not, could we bring him on board for the vid project, Martini?  >>


Hey, what is going on with the video project?

Arnie




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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:32:03 EDT
From: ASchulberg@aol.com
Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation

In a message dated 6/13/99 9:58:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
rlecloux@execpc.com writes:

<< Look at what Fripp's doing with releasing older/newer live concerts with
 his club.  Basically, you send him roughly $100 and you become a member
 of the club.  Then as they release live stuff to members they deduct the
 cost from your account.  Fripp figured out a way to release live
 material cost effectively for himself and the label DGM that otherwise
 would not be released commercially.  I think it's a great idea!   >>

I have totally enjoyed my membership in the DGM Collectors Club although I'd 
prefer that the next releases be some of the ProjeKCts instead of two 
separate disks of KC on Broadway but overall it's been a great experiment and 
when my initial investment is used, I'll re-up.

Would love to have the opportunity to buy archival Roxy/Ferry materials in 
the same manner. If only Fripp could get the materials away from EG.

Arnie




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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:38:57 EDT
From: ASchulberg@aol.com
Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst/Best Compilation

In a message dated 6/15/99 5:07:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
kicki.gustafsson@op.se writes:

<<  I'm still here, still trying to find that damned cover
 I promised Arnie to scan >>

Oh, thank you, Kicki. 

I need to work on my Ten Best/Worst list but noted that many of Kicki's Ten 
Best were close to those I can think of off the top of my head. I will vote 
for the combo "All I Want Is You/Out of the Blue" and does anyone else enjoy 
"If It Takes All Night" as much as I do, especially the vocal swoop at the 
end of the song?

Arnie




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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:52:23 PDT
From: Chris Sigetti <kinghorse@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst/Best Compilation

I suppose I can see how the lists are pretty accurate, but I have to take 
issue on a few points

1. Tara???
I have to disagree here, I'm not a real big fan of some of the later Roxy 
stuff, but Tara is one of the few standouts.

2. Love is the Drug
I don't care if it goes on the best or the worst, I've thought of it both 
ways, so it fits somewhere.

3. Oh Yeah
Ahh, when the New Romantic music was new. Plus from my DJ work, I know this 
is a slow dance song that hasn't lost it's affect on people.

4. Mother of Pearl
The only issue hear is why it doesn't get more respect. It's lyrically 
perfect and musically impressive. This should be in everyone's music 
collection.



>1. Cry, Cry, Cry
>2. My Little Girl
>3. While My Heart Is Still Beating
>4. The Bob
>5. She Sells
>6. Still Falls The Rain
>7. Flesh and Blood
>8. Tara
>9. Would You Believe
>10. Rain, rain, rain
>
>The Ten Best - in no particular order:
>1. Mother of Pearl
>2. The Thrill of it All
>3. Street Life
>4. Do the Strand (on Viva!)
>5. Psalm
>6. Casanova
>7. End of the Line
>8. More Than This
>9. Out of the Blue
>10. Avalon

I won't argue any other points here for two reasons - 1. I mostly agree with 
this list. 2. I'm new here any don't want to piss anyone off.

You'll be hearing from me-
Chris
aka Kinghorse
Anyone care to venture where that's from?


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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:17:31 GMT
From: ferryman@freeuk.com (ferryman)
Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Sighting!

Hello Fellow Obsessives!

I've just watched a report on the BBC's News24 service (2.00AM UK Time) in which BF presented the
Natwest Arts Prize in support of innovative new artists (some irony here methinks) Ferry reiterated
his support of the arts and was described in the report as 'One of Britain's leading art collectors'

 Previously reported evidence of puffiness and dissolution were supported I fear, but Our Hero
decided to forgo the crumpled khaki look in favour of a smart black ensemble. A slightly rounder
face than I remember, and even some greying at the temples but pretty good for 53 nonetheless.

Could this slightly higher public profile lately (Partridge etc) indicative of a gearing up for
imminent new material? I've learned not to hold my breath.......

Chris (on the night patrol)




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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:07:54 -0400
From: "John Fohrman" <john@socialware.com>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation (Your RIGHT AND I'm ALL WRONG!)

Jim Spellman wrote:

>OK, I will agree on the dissonance is not always good, and High Road had
>many high points, like Can't Let Go, Avalon, Hurricane and My Only Love,
>(which by the way is ten times better on the Heart Still  album version
than
>the High Road version) but what I couldn't stomach on HR was the early
stuff,
>especially Both Ends Burning and even Dance Away, it sounded like
>a Las Vegas show band, too bouncy for me, but then again I like
>the hated My Little Girl so what do I know?

Well, I'm with you; I was exaggerating about all 14, and I saw a few too
many of Bryan's "finito" jumps.  I have the High Road EP, but haven't
listened to it in years... is that the same "My Only Love" as the "Heart
Still Beating" version (anyone?) actually, I think one of the first Roxy
things I got into was a tape of another concert from that tour I got from
WXRT in Chicago.

And hey, don't apologize for what you like, (and that goes for everyone, at
least on this list).  I think some songs can evoke certain personal
associations for some people that are absolute "Trash" to others...

I think you know the Trash I mean.

- -- John











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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:20:24 +0200
From: "Han Snijders" <snijders.geest@gironet.nl>
Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Video Clips

Martin wrote:

>Amazing find Chris. Now I now how Captain Cook felt when he reached the
>South Pole only to find someone had already got here.
>
>We've got most of the stuff. No-one sent in that Letterman Love is the
>drug... was it Live ? Anyone see it ? And what does X- mean in the Quality
>column ?
>
The explanation of all the qualitycodes is on the first page of the site X+
is the best,  then  X .... X-  etc.
Did you already decide what you put on the compilationtape I'm very curious


Regards
Han






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