From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #177 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, June 14 1999 Volume 04 : Number 177 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Effigy on fire... ["Angel Colon" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: War Brides [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation [Rod Le Cloux ] Re: [AVALON] Re: War Brides [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation [JObinv01@aol.com] [AVALON] Martin's John/Paul dichotomy [Heather Propes ] Re: [AVALON] Martin's John/Paul dichotomy ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] adults only ["Richard" ] Re: [AVALON] adults only [William Sommers ] Re: [AVALON] adults only [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] adults only [William Sommers ] Re: [AVALON] adults only ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] adults only [Heather Marie Propes ] Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] notebooks [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation [jspellman ] Re: [AVALON] Effigy on fire...The Chosen One [jspellman ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 11:05:26 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation Thank you for that charming accolade Leighton. Avalonia is a broad church and your "opinions" have been noted. I'm searching for a suitable response but perhaps the comment that you attribute to Bryan can't be improved upon. Kind regards Martino - ---------- >From: "Leighton Goss" >To: >Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation >Date: Sun, Jun 13, 1999, 1:26 am > >Very well put matey but it don't diguise the fact that the demise of Bryan >and Roxy is due to the fact that Bryan treated the rest of the band as >session musicians. I can do better F*** Off. And in nearly every case >history is scattered with the failures. The secret to success is sticking >together and developing wht you have achieved. > >Leighton - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 11:20:05 +0100 From: "Richard" Subject: [AVALON] Re: What makes you believe that Bryan is doing what you suggest - when I consider the painful amount of time it takes to put an album together and hear Bryan talk about his music the only conclusion I can draw is that he IS making the music he wants to hear, won't hand it over until it meets that criteria and that image has nothing whatsoever to do with it. In making the music he wants, we're all the poorer in terms of output (and Bryan's the poorer at the bank!) - I'm sure if image were the overriding factor he could churn out anything and be no better than most of the dross currently populating the charts. I don't think either that you can say that the music has simply mellowed. It has, but into the bargain technology has allowed it to become a lot more sophisticated too. In any event what's wrong with 'mellowing' - I would have thought it's all part of growing older - which the audience is doing too - and reflecting on wider experiences from an increasingly mature perspective. I can still get fired up by records I heard 25 years ago and probably always will, but equally I like to listen to the likes of "Mamouna", a gentler sound that would have been less important to me 25 years ago. I simply don't see a cop out in the post 1979 output, apart from a deliberate play on the US market in the Manifesto west side and certain parts of Flesh and Blood. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: Leighton Goss To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] notebooks >Sorry Shaz but age does not come into it - 'age = mellow' is not a reason >but a cop out! When, or if, Bryan realises that he should make music that he >wants to hear not what he feels the image dictates then he may be in >business. Every Ferry project has been 'mellow' since the 'West Side' of >'Manifesto' > >Leighton >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: 12 June 1999 19:10 >Subject: Re: [AVALON] notebooks > > >> Hello all, >> I rarely post but couldn't keep my opinion to myself this time...... >> Something that seems to be overlooked is the fact that age is a process >that >> needs to be factored into this equation. The first phase of Roxy was at a >> time when the music was vibrant and different so of course it is going to >be >> categorized differently and stand out more for alot of people. This does >not >> diminish the quality of the solo projects in my opinion but strengthens >what >> they accomplished when they were younger. I agree with quite alot of you >on >> favorites and such but I feel the need to say that I think Mamouna is way >> underrated. I'm not saying it is my favorite at all but there is that >> emotion and drama emitting from it as well as any other solo project >> mentioned. >> Sharon >> >> >> >> >> -------------------- >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon >> > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:47:44 -0400 From: "Angel Colon" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Effigy on fire... I think that the live version of The Chosen One from the New Town video is infinitely better than the studio cut! The intensity of the vocals and the more muscular instumental backup make the song far more compelling and haunting. Ferry's eerie vocalization at the end of the song send chills down my neck every time, and believe me I've seen that video more times than I can recall! Angel - -----Original Message----- From: jas2347@xsite.net To: Avalon Discussion Group Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 5:57 PM Subject: [AVALON] Effigy on fire... >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:16:13 -0700 (PDT) >From: Neil Ashar >Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation > >You are my sunshine, The Chosen One, most of Bete Noire... > >NOOOOOOOO......... >You stepped on my heart with slamming "most of Bete Noire". I'm >starting the bon fire in the back to throw your effigy on it!. Problem >is, I don't have a clue as to what you look like :). > >Jas >Chicago > >I have returned from CPA review/exam hell.....Arrgh......... > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:55:13 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: War Brides In a message dated 13/06/99 01:48:18 GMT Daylight Time, bahi@macnet.co.uk writes: << Ah! According to >http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~bryan/roxy/discographies/all.txt, it was >released as a B-side to a UK re-release of Do the Strand on Island in >1975. Does anybody have this? >> "War Brides" was originally intended to be the b-side of "Do the Strand" (live), Island WIP6308. This single was due for release in July 76, prior to the release of "Viva!", but was withdrawn. I remember talking to Jim Lawn about it at the "Mamouna" gig in Glasgow, and he says that the single does not exist, but I saw one being advertised in the Record Collector magazine some years ago, any sightings anyone? JF. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:30:15 -0700 From: Rod Le Cloux Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation Hi, I always liked Grey Lagoons from first hearing it. It's a great lead up to "For Your Pleasure" song. However, I have a special fondness for the whole album(it's the first R.M. album I bought in 1977/78). I especially agree with Gene's comments about releasing early live performances. That would be very cool with me. I bet there's quite a bit laying around. However, I will say it again. I think Roxy/Ferry has poor management and no direction. Look at what Fripp's doing with releasing older/newer live concerts with his club. Basically, you send him roughly $100 and you become a member of the club. Then as they release live stuff to members they deduct the cost from your account. Fripp figured out a way to release live material cost effectively for himself and the label DGM that otherwise would not be released commercially. I think it's a great idea! Plus at the same time you are supporting a honest and sincere artist who is trying to change the current business model which is basically ripping off most young artists. I digress... Instead, read all about the DGM Collector's Club and how to join at the DGM Web Site. http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/index.htm Also, I finally saw Velvet Goldmine last night. Not impressed at all. Music was great(every other song was either Roxy Music or Eno). So, to summarize movie, slow boring--music great. Characters were not developed at all. Had no sympathy watching the news hound(forgot his name) exploring his sexuality. Blah, blah, blah.. Take Care, Rod Decophile wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leighton Goss > To: avalon@smoe.org > Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation > > >How about Grey Lagoons?...... and for a sax solo that always gets me is > >'Many Are The Ways' - Manzanera and Mackay. > > Grey Lagoons was one of those tunes that didn`t leave much of an impression > on me until the boots carrying that '72 BBC broadcast version came around. > 20+ years later it still blows me away and anyone listening to this version > would never call Eno`s contribution noise again. The same is true for the > BBC broadcast version of Would You Believe. MacKay shines on this one. > With all the rumors of new Ferry releases and Roxy reunions, I`d rather see > the release of some of those '70`s live performances rotting away in some > vault. Musikladen was a great start and I want more, especially from the '74 > tour. > > Gene > > > > >Leighton > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: 10 June 1999 22:44 > >Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation > > > > > >> In a message dated 10/06/99 10:27:47 GMT Daylight Time, > >> killip.family@advsys.co.uk writes: > >> > >> << > >> and how about a..."best solo" compilation, my medal winners are > >> >> > >> > >> 1. Mackay's solo in "Pyjamarama" (original Island single) > >> 2. BF's organ solo in "Editions" > >> 3. Phil's solo in "Dream Home" > >> > >> JF. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------- > >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >> unsubscribe avalon > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------- > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 11:52:46 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: War Brides In a message dated 13/06/99 12:57:30 GMT, you write: << War Brides" was originally intended to be the b-side of "Do the Strand" (live), Island WIP6308. This single was due for release in July 76, prior to the release of "Viva!", but was withdrawn. I remember talking to Jim Lawn about it at the "Mamouna" gig in Glasgow, and he says that the single does not exist, but I saw one being advertised in the Record Collector magazine some years ago, any sightings anyone? JF. >> I replied to this ad, it was about 8 years ago. The ad was a misprint in that the guy advertising meant his ad to go into the 'Wanted' section of Record Collector and that the prices of all the gods he was selling was meant to be 'Will Pay' prices. The single was , as you correctly state, meant to be to promote 'Viva!', but they changed record company at the time and therefore the plans were scrapped. There is obviously a recording of this track somewhere, it could have been usedon 'The Thrill Of It All' but wasn't, and I think that was the last oppertunity to release it, so it might remain a mystery. Regards John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:03:58 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation In a message dated 13/06/99 00:48:02 GMT, you write: << the last two efforts have NOTHING in common with the early stuff >> Have you noticed that there is a sample of 'Ladytron' at the begining of Gemini Moon, and ''The Bob' at the end, fading into Chain Reaction. Regards John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:23:16 -0700 From: Heather Propes Subject: [AVALON] Martin's John/Paul dichotomy I should have mentioned this the other day, but forgot to. I have to disagree with Martin's claim that John Lennon was actually not so avant=garde as people believed him to be, whereas Paul McCartney was avant-garde, when people believed him not to be. According to Martin, John Lennon was living a domesticized existence in the "financial district" with his wife and child. What Martin forgot was that John Lennon's wife, the great Yoko Ono, was part of the Fluxus group, a "loose coalition of visual artists, poets, and musicians/composers who created publications, objects and performances that were explicitly anti-expressionistic and strongly conceptual, yet grounded in the concrete." Fluxus artists were amongst the first American conceptualists, performance, and video artists. They emerged from the early to mid '60's "Happenings" of Allen Kaprow and Claes Oldenburg. Fluxus artists were also highly influenced by John Cage and his innovations in music and performance. In fact, some of the early "founders" of Fluxus, George Brecht, Dick Higgins, and Jackson MacLow, met in Cage's music class at the New School of Social Research in New York. Significantly, Nam June Paik, the first great video artist, emerged from Fluxus. Anyway, Yoko Ono was part of Fluxus, making some bizarre and abstract films and audio recordings in the 60's. I saw a film of hers once. It was an extreme close-up of the lower portion of a nude persons butt as the person walked down the street, and reminded me a lot of the early videos of Bruce Nauman. Anyway, I can't help but think that John Lennon would have met and been influenced by some of his wife's friends and fellow artists, in which case he had to have had significant relations with the New York avant-garde of the mid to late 60's and early 70's. As for Paul, he might have been avant garde too. I don't know. Ciao, Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 13:25:04 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation In a message dated 13/06/99 05:07:07 GMT Daylight Time, JObinv01@aol.com writes: << Have you noticed that there is a sample of 'Ladytron' at the begining of Gemini Moon, and ''The Bob' at the end, fading into Chain Reaction. >> Yeah, well spotted John, by the way has anyone noticed the single dog bark at the very end of "Don't stop the dance"? JF. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 14:08:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] notebooks Bahi ,can you give an example of how you think the buried clever sophisticated lyrics reappeared with _Bete Noire_? I ask not merely to be a pain in the ass, but because his output as of late has, for the most part, disappointed me and I'd like to change my opinion of it, if at all possible, and this could be a step in that direction. On other topics, I've been trying to fit myself into one of the chronological output sub-groups, but I can't squeeze myself in comfortably. So I'll just sit over here on the side by myself. Stop over and say 'hello' if you're in the neighborhood. And all I know about Yoko Ono (besides the Barenaked Ladies song) is that years ago I gave a paper about online fan clubs and when I began talking about the YO mailing list, the entire room (approx 50-60) people exploded in laughter at the mere mention of it--and I hadn't even gotten to the funny quotes yet. (I was later told that it was my delivery which sparked the hilarity.) Finally, welcome to Amy and Leighton. Please be assured that despite what you may have heard, you don't need an art history degree to participate here. Colleen On Sat, 12 Jun 1999, Bahi Para wrote: > Bryan Ferry once said in an interview that he lost all his notebooks - a > whole suitcase full of them - while the Roxy Music was recording Avalon. He > said it went missing (if I remember right) during the band's flight to > Nassau. > > This loss seems to coincide with a distinct change of lyrical style. The > word play and cynicism are toned right down and the songs sound much more > adult again. They're much less specific and Bryan almost shakes off the > need to be clever. (The cleverness crept back with Bete Noire, but well > buried and more sophisticated.) Do you think the change in writing style > stems from the need to start writing from scratch - no notebooks, no need > to follow a tradition? Was it the relationship with Lucy? Or something else? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:39:22 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Martin's John/Paul dichotomy Dear Heather I stand by my remarks about John and Paul. The wife I was referring to was Cynthia and the child, of course, Julien. The date of his Weybridge period I'd put at 1965/66. The stockbroker belt is an expression used to describe the smart commuter villages in Surrey approximately 25 miles south of foggy London Town, fabled for the discreet charm of their bourgeoisee ! John met Yoko via Paul's avante garde uptown friends when he finally ventured into London. Yoko, whatever her merits or otherwise, was undoubtedly an avante garde artist. Incidentally I thought your comments on Avalonia groupings was spot on, and put my faintly Devils Advocate musings to shame. Cheers Martino - ---------- >From: Heather Propes >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Martin's John/Paul dichotomy >Date: Sun, Jun 13, 1999, 8:23 pm > >I should have mentioned this the other day, but forgot to. > >I have to disagree with Martin's claim that John Lennon was actually not so >avant=garde as people believed him to be, whereas Paul McCartney was >avant-garde, when people believed him not to be. > >According to Martin, John Lennon was living a domesticized existence in the >"financial district" with his wife and child. What Martin forgot was that >John Lennon's wife, the great Yoko Ono, was part of the Fluxus group, a >"loose coalition of visual artists, poets, and musicians/composers who >created publications, objects and performances that were explicitly >anti-expressionistic and strongly conceptual, yet grounded in the >concrete." Fluxus artists were amongst the first American conceptualists, >performance, and video artists. They emerged from the early to mid '60's >"Happenings" of Allen Kaprow and Claes Oldenburg. Fluxus artists were also >highly influenced by John Cage and his innovations in music and >performance. In fact, some of the early "founders" of Fluxus, George >Brecht, Dick Higgins, and Jackson MacLow, met in Cage's music class at the >New School of Social Research in New York. Significantly, Nam June Paik, >the first great video artist, emerged from Fluxus. > >Anyway, Yoko Ono was part of Fluxus, making some bizarre and abstract films >and audio recordings in the 60's. I saw a film of hers once. It was an >extreme close-up of the lower portion of a nude persons butt as the person >walked down the street, and reminded me a lot of the early videos of Bruce >Nauman. Anyway, I can't help but think that John Lennon would have met and >been influenced by some of his wife's friends and fellow artists, in which >case he had to have had significant relations with the New York avant-garde >of the mid to late 60's and early 70's. As for Paul, he might have been >avant garde too. I don't know. > >Ciao, > >Heather > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:00:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] adults only Can someone please tell me why _Country Life_ and the _Street Life_ greatest hits collection are both rated "E" for "Explicit Content" at www.columbiahouse.com? What am I missing? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:05:21 +0100 From: "Richard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] adults only Colleen - I always thought 'E' meant exempt - most music videos in the UK are 'E' - exempt from classification. Does this explain?? Richard - -----Original Message----- From: Colleen Matan To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 11:03 PM Subject: [AVALON] adults only > > >Can someone please tell me why _Country Life_ and the _Street Life_ >greatest hits collection are both rated "E" for "Explicit Content" at >www.columbiahouse.com? What am I missing? > >Colleen > > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:05:27 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] adults only At 18:00 6/13/99 -0400, Colleen Matan wrote: > Can someone please tell me why _Country Life_ and the _Street Life_ > greatest hits collection are both rated "E" for "Explicit Content" at > www.columbiahouse.com? Nipples. I kid you not. > What am I missing? I couldn't leave /that/ part in context. -wfs - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] adults only On Sun, 13 Jun 1999, William Sommers wrote: > Nipples. > > I kid you not. I figured as much for Country Life. But Street Life? Or were the album covers reproduced in the booklet? Colleen (so sue me because I'm not a completist and I never bought SL) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:52:59 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] adults only At 19:16 6/13/99 -0400, Colleen Matan wrote: > I figured as much for Country Life. But Street Life? Or were the > album covers reproduced in the booklet? So much for proofreading. I kept seeing 'Stranded' instead of 'Street Life', apparently glossing right over the clearly spelled out "greatest hits collection" bit altogether. You could be right about the cover reproductions -- I wouldn't know either, as I'll be joining you as defendant in any such lawsuits. Sulking off now... -wfs - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:46:30 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] adults only Because of the near-nekkid ladies on the cover? Either that or because they`re too heavy, intelligent and original for the mindless mainstream public. ;-) Gene - -----Original Message----- From: Richard To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] adults only >Colleen - > >I always thought 'E' meant exempt - most music videos in the UK are 'E' - >exempt from classification. Does this explain?? > >Richard > >-----Original Message----- >From: Colleen Matan >To: avalon@smoe.org >Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 11:03 PM >Subject: [AVALON] adults only > > >> >> >>Can someone please tell me why _Country Life_ and the _Street Life_ >>greatest hits collection are both rated "E" for "Explicit Content" at >>www.columbiahouse.com? What am I missing? >> >>Colleen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-------------------- >>To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >>unsubscribe avalon >> > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:29:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] adults only Well, many of the covers are reproduced on the inside of "Street Life." But I imagine that the "E" would stand for "eecchh" in the case of the latter, since it's such a terrible compilation. Martin, well fine then, you're right and I'm wrong. I had no idea John had a first wife. Shows what I know. Why did they break up? Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Sun, 13 Jun 1999, William Sommers wrote: > At 19:16 6/13/99 -0400, Colleen Matan wrote: > > > I figured as much for Country Life. But Street Life? Or were the > > album covers reproduced in the booklet? > > So much for proofreading. I kept seeing 'Stranded' instead of 'Street > Life', apparently glossing right over the clearly spelled out "greatest > hits collection" bit altogether. > > You could be right about the cover reproductions -- I wouldn't know either, > as I'll be joining you as defendant in any such lawsuits. > > Sulking off now... > > > -wfs > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:54:44 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation In a message dated 6/10/99 10:17:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ssmith@smgusa.com writes: << Track Eight Gemini Moon >> I don't remember this one. Where does it appear? Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:54:47 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation In a message dated 6/10/99 8:13:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jspellman@banet.net writes: << Never been able to stomach the 2nd solo album so I don't know how bad it is besides the two hits >> I really thought that the song, "Another Time, Another Place" was great, especially the transition from piano song to rocker. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:57:47 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] adults only In a message dated 6/13/99 9:31:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu writes: << I had no idea John had a first wife. Shows what I know. Why did they break up? >> Yoko. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:41:16 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/10/99 10:17:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > ssmith@smgusa.com writes: > > << Track Eight Gemini Moon >> > > I don't remember this one. Where does it appear? > > Arnie > Right after track seven. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:46:47 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation Leighton Goss wrote: > The last two efforts have NOTHING in common with the early stuff. They are > opposite ends of music!!! The first : inventive lyrics brilliant solos, > strange sounds. The second : banal lyrics (and fewer) and over produced > session stuff. > > 'Grey Lagoons' or 'N.Y.C.' > > 'The Bride Stripped Bare'?? - best BF Album - 'Sign Of The Times' - in my > top 10. > > Leighton > Still have to disagree. Early and recent stuff dark and dissonant. Middle stuff, happy, simple and easy to understand. Of coarse it's not going to sound just like the early Roxy, but if you look at the High Road video and then Newtown, which one reminds you more of the Eno days? Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:49:13 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] notebooks Colleen wrote: >can you give an example of how you think the buried clever >sophisticated lyrics reappeared with _Bete Noire_? I'll answer this properly tomorrow but one of the things I like and find so good about the lyrics (the music has an entirely different appeal) is context - the place that a songwriter or recording artist decides that a song or album belongs relative to other things that the listener might know, and how (s)he manages to put it there. Bryan's particularly good at this, and always has been, from Virginia Plain to Limbo or Day for Night. Nick de Ville once said something to the effect that most of Bryan's best songs were sketches that said "I've got this problem. I'm writing this song" - nothing much more specific. I think that was particularly true of the early and recent albums. None of which rambling answers your question. More tomorrow. Bahi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:52:28 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/10/99 10:17:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > ssmith@smgusa.com writes: > > << Track Eight Gemini Moon >> > > I don't remember this one. Where does it appear? > > Arnie > As bad as this song is, I think one of the highlights from Mamouna is a few cuts later in "Chain Reaction". Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:50:12 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Effigy on fire...The Chosen One Angel Colon wrote: > I think that the live version of The Chosen One from the New Town video is > infinitely better than the studio cut! The intensity of the vocals and the > more muscular instumental backup make the song far more compelling and > haunting. Ferry's eerie vocalization at the end of the song send chills > down my neck every time, and believe me I've seen that video more times than > I can recall! > > Angel Angel I agree! The song comes to life live, and is one of my favorite cuts from the video. It is so out there, Ferry just loses himself. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:48:13 -0400 From: "John Fohrman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation (I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE ALL WRONG!) The Top 14: 1-14. The High Road Video. (a.k.a. Heart Still Beating, I guess, don't have it.) I was going to cop out and not explain this, but what the hell. I'm ambivalent about the early Roxy sound; sometimes the "dissonance" works and sometimes it's annoying. I'm not sure it's always intentional. But the songs are great. "The High Road" concert is just a bunch of great musicians really jamming... hard for me to imagine a better concert without real high-tech gimmicks. Finally, I'm a musician, and primarily a vocalist. Rationalize as some of you may, his voice wasn't fully developed until the late Roxy period. Although I admit he lost some of his edge along with it. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:43:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Ashar Subject: Re: [AVALON] Effigy on fire... Burn my effigy, you can't torch my spirit, you heathen! Apparently you believe spirit can't be overproduced either, which is what Bete Noire does to Ferry. PS: I look (right now) like someone very relaxed, very jet-lagged, and very full of wine. and unshaven, too. - --- jas2347@xsite.net wrote: > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:16:13 -0700 (PDT) > From: Neil Ashar > Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation > > You are my sunshine, The Chosen One, most of Bete Noire... > > NOOOOOOOO......... > You stepped on my heart with slamming "most of Bete Noire". I'm > starting the bon fire in the back to throw your effigy on it!. > Problem > is, I don't have a clue as to what you look like :). > > Jas > Chicago > > I have returned from CPA review/exam hell.....Arrgh......... > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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