From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #176 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, June 13 1999 Volume 04 : Number 176 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation ["Han Snijders" ] [AVALON] Re: Top Tens ["Richard" ] [AVALON] notebooks [Bahi Para ] [AVALON] Re: War Brides [Mark Sturdy ] [AVALON] Re: War Brides [Mark Sturdy ] [AVALON] Spell on You remixes ["Robert Fedder" ] Re: [AVALON] Spell on You remixes [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation [Heather Propes ] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ["Leighton Goss" ] Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation ["Leighton Goss" ] Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation ["Leighton Goss" ] Re: [AVALON] notebooks ["Leighton Goss" ] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ["Decophile" ] [AVALON] Pyjamarama [Brian Folks ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:36:26 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation >> FOR YOUR PLEASURE ALBUM >> 1. BEAUTY QUEEN 25.9% >> >> >>So there. Neener-neener. >> >>Seek help. > > >i promise to play this one over and over again until i like it a lot. but >how this song can outpoll 'strand' and 'editions' is beyond me. some sort >of pro-crooning mass hysteria must have been at work during the poll. You're right Victor, the Strand and Editions are better but they've played it over and over again so it lost a bit of the original glance. All the concert that I've seen they/he played them. Every bootleg you see ... there's an old sensation, that fabulous creation that they call the strand....... it's too much. Another example: Song for Europe is my favourite of the stranded album but after a milliontimes playing it you come at a point that you prefer the pink flamingo's of Sunset. Regards Han Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:02:03 +0100 From: "Leighton Goss" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation Hi folks - thought I would introduce myself. My worse tracks are all of Mamouna, all of Taxi, 90% of Bete Noir, and 80% of Boys and Girls - do you get ny drift? Is there room for me on this list? In reply to the list below: 'Running Wild': Bryan Phil and Andy in top form - In my top ten. Just Another High and Could It happen To Me - some of the best on the Album. I prefer the older Roxy and tended to move with The Explorers after the last split. Bryan needs Andy and Phil. Regards Leighton - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 10 June 1999 19:17 Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation > In a message dated 10/06/99 03:56:51 GMT Daylight Time, > snijders.geest@gironet.nl writes: > > << 3 Pyjamarama >> > > Are you kidding?? Roxy's best single, no problem. > > > <<10 Stronger Through The Years >> > > Ha Ha, you obviously are kidding. > > Ok ,here is my top 10 worst (God forgive me) Roxy tracks, > > 1. Angel Eyes (single version) > 2. Cry,Cry,Cry. > 3. My little girl. > 4. Triptych. > 5. Running wild. > 6. India. > 7. The Bob. > 8. Could it happen to me. > 9. Just another high. > 10. Rain,rain,rain. > > and BF.......... > 1. Amazing Grace. > 2. You are my sunshine. > 3. Wildcat Days > 4. Fingerpoppin' > 5. What a wonderful World. > 6. That's how strong my love is. > 7. Walk a mile in my shoes. > 8. Stone woman. > 9. Gemini Moon. > 10. Because your'e mine. > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:02:30 +0100 From: "Richard" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Top Tens Lots of interesting discussion over the last week or two about likes and dislikes and Martin's latest is particularly interesting and passionate. I too fall into the second 'camp' Martin mentions - that which basically likes all of the output so far. Sure I have a lot of favourites (too many to prioritise into a Top Ten) but I couldn't compile a list of dislikes because there aren't any. Well actually there is - four to be precise and they're all the remixes of "I Put A Spell On You" - what were they all about? I agree with much of what Martin says about not distinguishing between group and solo work - I view it as one body of work and although I agree that Roxy was first and foremost Bryan's vehicle I think the collective influence of the other band members shouldn't be understated. Yes there were frictions in the band as in any other but, as Bryan has often said himself, there was also a lot of creativity that undoubtedly contributed to the prolific group and solo output during the Roxy years. If Roxy were still in existence would there be an average four years between releases of original material (four albums from 1982 - 1999) - probably not. So I can't contribute a Top Ten best or worst - but I do like "Dance with Life"! Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:18:42 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: [AVALON] notebooks Bryan Ferry once said in an interview that he lost all his notebooks - a whole suitcase full of them - while the Roxy Music was recording Avalon. He said it went missing (if I remember right) during the band's flight to Nassau. This loss seems to coincide with a distinct change of lyrical style. The word play and cynicism are toned right down and the songs sound much more adult again. They're much less specific and Bryan almost shakes off the need to be clever. (The cleverness crept back with Bete Noire, but well buried and more sophisticated.) Do you think the change in writing style stems from the need to start writing from scratch - no notebooks, no need to follow a tradition? Was it the relationship with Lucy? Or something else? Bahi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:51:21 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Mark Sturdy Subject: [AVALON] Re: War Brides I swear I saw that track in a Roxy discography on the B-side of a reissue of Do the Strand or something . . . can anyone confirm/deny? Has it appeared on any bootlegs? Bye, Mark - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 18:08:36 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Mark Sturdy Subject: [AVALON] Re: War Brides Ah! According to http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~bryan/roxy/discographies/all.txt, it was released as a B-side to a UK re-release of Do the Strand on Island in 1975. Does anybody have this? Bye, Mark - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 99 17:31:57 UT From: "Robert Fedder" Subject: [AVALON] Spell on You remixes Richard wrote: all the remixes of "I Put A Spell On You" - what were they all about? The only regret I had about these remixes, is we didn't have a whole Ambient Album entitled IPASOY, Haunted House 45 min Extended-Mix. So reassuring that after all these years BF had the attitude to extend-mix to the max. Great stuff. And what a contrast to the lowest point in RM/BF's career, which too was an extended mix, namely Dance Away live (which contained a hideous 5 min Andy Newmark drum solo) , Flesh and Blood Tour. I had front row seats for that tour at Wembley for all nights. After night 2 of that Dance Away (I had to check that they really would play it again) I gave away my tickets for the third night - and still don't regret it. Newmark, hairdresser-remixes, drum solos -what were they all about? Robert - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 14:10:30 EDT From: Avalonisse@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] notebooks Hello all, I rarely post but couldn't keep my opinion to myself this time...... Something that seems to be overlooked is the fact that age is a process that needs to be factored into this equation. The first phase of Roxy was at a time when the music was vibrant and different so of course it is going to be categorized differently and stand out more for alot of people. This does not diminish the quality of the solo projects in my opinion but strengthens what they accomplished when they were younger. I agree with quite alot of you on favorites and such but I feel the need to say that I think Mamouna is way underrated. I'm not saying it is my favorite at all but there is that emotion and drama emitting from it as well as any other solo project mentioned. Sharon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:59:43 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Effigy on fire... Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:16:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Ashar Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation You are my sunshine, The Chosen One, most of Bete Noire... NOOOOOOOO......... You stepped on my heart with slamming "most of Bete Noire". I'm starting the bon fire in the back to throw your effigy on it!. Problem is, I don't have a clue as to what you look like :). Jas Chicago I have returned from CPA review/exam hell.....Arrgh......... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:21:59 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: War Brides Mark Sturdy wrote: >Ah! According to >http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~bryan/roxy/discographies/all.txt, it was >released as a B-side to a UK re-release of Do the Strand on Island in >1975. Does anybody have this? It was withdrawn, according to the Lazell/Rees book, 'following demos, and may well have been suppressed by Ferry.' The book occasionally reads like an E.G. press release, so 'may well have been' probably means 'was'. Perhaps we're in luck and demos were sent to DJs. Bahi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:35:44 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] Spell on You remixes Robert Fedder wrote: >The only regret I had about these remixes, is we didn't have a whole Ambient >Album entitled IPASOY, Haunted House 45 min Extended-Mix. So reassuring that >after all these years BF had the attitude to extend-mix to the max. I love that mix, too. And the Yage tracks were an excellent early intro to FSOL, who at the time had only released one album under that name. The Council House version (which isn't theirs) rocks. And Pascal Gabriel ("Bryan was wearing an M & S shirt when we met - I was impressed!") was a shrewd choice for the 7 minute version of Latin Limbo in 1988 - also a great mix. Listening to the Yage mix as I type - Carleen Anderson on this track, like Paul Johnson on The 39 Steps, sounds very Ferry. It's a bit like watching actors in Woody Allen films, stammering and arms flailing. Not a bad thing, just odd. Bahi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:13:05 -0700 From: Heather Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation There's at least one more - one that thinks Bryan didn't regain his '72/'73 >form until around 1985, with Boys & Girls. At a push, you could call us a >division of your second group. The stuff from Stranded to Avalon was >generally great but the first two Roxy albums, like the last few solo >releases, somehow mean much more. > Oh? ONE more? How about the group that I belong to, those that started out liking only Avalon, switched to gradually accomomdating his solo stuff, then did a backflip and liked only the first album for a number of years? Then continued in that fashion, liking only Sranded for the next year, then For Your Pleasure, then Avalon again. I belong to the group that likes one album, one phase at a time. If I'm in a "new" phase, I can only listen to "Bete Noire" or "Avalon." If I'm in an "early" phase I can't get past Stranded. To me, each distinct phase of Ferry's music must be enjoyed and savored as a discrete period of work. I just can't mix them up or I feel like I ruin the mood. I'm serious! Then there is the whole issue of "complementary bands," what bands to listen to when I'm in each of my different Roxy phases. I've always enjoyed listening to Bowie's Station to Station with the Stranded and For Your Pleasure-era stuff. When I listen to Manifesto, Japan seems to complement it nicely. Something about Avalon makes me want to listen to early 80's new wave-pop, ABC or the Human League. Just my two cents! And Amy - welcome to you :-). Don't believe anything anyone says about me! Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:16:33 +0100 From: "Leighton Goss" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation Het JF - u got taste lol Leighton - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 11 June 1999 17:46 Subject: [AVALON] The Best Compilation > Ok folks, might as well even things up, the 10 best:- > > 1. Mother of Pearl. > 2. If there is something. (Viva! version) > 3. In every dream home a heartache. > 4. A song for Europe. > 5. Re-Make/Re-Model. > 6. Beauty Queen. > 7. The thrill of it all. > 8. Stronger through the years. > 9. Ladytron. > 10. Out of the blue. > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:11:10 +0100 From: "Leighton Goss" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation yeh get the drift - good idea. My argument about running wild - Bryan 's voice is great and good solos from Andy and Phil. How about Grey Lagoons?...... and for a sax solo that always gets me is 'Many Are The Ways' - Manzanera and Mackay. Leighton - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 10 June 1999 22:44 Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation > In a message dated 10/06/99 10:27:47 GMT Daylight Time, > killip.family@advsys.co.uk writes: > > << > and how about a..."best solo" compilation, my medal winners are > >> > > 1. Mackay's solo in "Pyjamarama" (original Island single) > 2. BF's organ solo in "Editions" > 3. Phil's solo in "Dream Home" > > JF. > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:26:01 +0100 From: "Leighton Goss" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation Very well put matey but it don't diguise the fact that the demise of Bryan and Roxy is due to the fact that Bryan treated the rest of the band as session musicians. I can do better F*** Off. And in nearly every case history is scattered with the failures. The secret to success is sticking together and developing wht you have achieved. Leighton - ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Stockman To: Sent: 11 June 1999 20:13 Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation The Avalon group is a celebration of Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry. The different merits of each phase of the maestro's career have been debated ad nauseum on these pages. In essence there are two groups of Avalonions ; those who only like the first 2/3/4 Roxy albums and those who, more or less, love everything up to present time. I fall happily into the second camp. It's an evolution. It's crazy to make a deep division between the Roxy and Solo stuff. The songs, including the covers, all have the Ferry imprint. Successive generations of lazy music hacks have, for instance, endlessly repeated and embellished the myth of Eno : the deceit that he was the intellectual and /or artistic and/or subversive driving force behind early Roxy. His musical input is spectacularly overrated, and in reality as cosmetic as his stage plumage. That great body of work was exclusively written by Bryan. It was his (pop-art) vision of merging futurism and rock n roll. At the time, and especially when I caught them on stage, I too believed in the Roxy band concept. Now Iım not so sure. Yes, Andy, Phil and Eno were all certainly brighter than any of their musical contemporaries, and all had their glorious moments on vinyl and stage, but I now believe that it was Bryan who created the ³Band² in his own image (!) with a little help from Puxley and Price. No wonder he was so pissed off when journalists feted Eno. Having asked the consumer to buy this sci-fi ensemble piece he was amazed that he was being overlooked as the artist responsible for the canvas. (Iım almost reminded of how music writers regurgitate the myth that John Lennon was the cool arty hipster and Paul McCartney was the uninspired composer of pretty melodies , whereas in reality John was living in bourgeois stockbroker belt with his wife and child while Paul was up in town gorging himself on alternative culture.) But Iıve digressed. My main point is that Roxy and Ferry are inseparable. The cover albums in the 70s were lighter than the Roxy output, but Taxi has the same world-weary, mournful feel of much of his later work. When Bryan said his final Tara to Andy and Phil at the end of Avalon, as the tide comes in, the latter were under no illusion that they were really guesting on a solo project in all but name. Donıt get me wrong. I miss those guys enormously - Christ when I hear Bryıs ³syn-sax² on Mamouna how I wish it was Andyıs jowls putting some heart into that break - and I truly believe that theyıve had some secret sessions in the past year, but the ouevre must be seen as the genius of one man aided by a few clever friends. ³I am for the man who drives the hammer..² I make no excuse, therefore, for offering my top ten to the list without differentiating between RM and BF. 1. Windswept 2. Both Ends Burning 3. Mother of Pearl. 4. This Island Earth 5. Rescue Me. 6. These Foolish Things 7. Song For Europe 8. Canıt Let Go 9. More Than This 10. Love Me Madly Again Viva, Martino - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:39:27 +0100 From: "Leighton Goss" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation The last two efforts have NOTHING in common with the early stuff. They are opposite ends of music!!! The first : inventive lyrics brilliant solos, strange sounds. The second : banal lyrics (and fewer) and over produced session stuff. 'Grey Lagoons' or 'N.Y.C.' 'The Bride Stripped Bare'?? - best BF Album - 'Sign Of The Times' - in my top 10. Leighton - ----- Original Message ----- From: jspellman To: Sent: 11 June 1999 21:06 Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Best Compilation > Martin Stockman wrote: > > > The Avalon group is a celebration of Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry. The > > different merits of each phase of the maestro's career have been debated ad > > nauseum on these pages. In essence there are two groups of Avalonions ; > > those who only like the first 2/3/4 Roxy albums and those who, more or less, > > love everything up to present time............. > > I may be alone but I feel that Bryan's last two solo efforts have > more in common with the early Roxy than the later Roxy did. Maybe Eno was given > more credit than he deserved, but I thought they were a heck of a lot > more entertaining to watch live with Eno. I only have videos to > gauge that on, but my favorite Roxy is w/ Eno and John Porter on bass. > they looked like a real band, not hired guns. Jobson was surely > the best musician to play in Roxy but the footage I've seen the band > is not nearly as exciting to watch.I love seeing those tapes rolling > in the background, I like the early outfits too. But hats off to them > for not staying the same. I guess I'm a 2/3/4 guy but I liked 6 and 8 too > and all of Bryan's post Roxy original music. I may be the only one who > loves In Your Mind but doesn't like Bride Stripped Bare too much.But there > is not a single album I don't like at least a few cuts. > > Jim > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 01:51:07 +0100 From: "Leighton Goss" Subject: Re: [AVALON] notebooks Sorry Shaz but age does not come into it - 'age = mellow' is not a reason but a cop out! When, or if, Bryan realises that he should make music that he wants to hear not what he feels the image dictates then he may be in business. Every Ferry project has been 'mellow' since the 'West Side' of 'Manifesto' Leighton - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 12 June 1999 19:10 Subject: Re: [AVALON] notebooks > Hello all, > I rarely post but couldn't keep my opinion to myself this time...... > Something that seems to be overlooked is the fact that age is a process that > needs to be factored into this equation. The first phase of Roxy was at a > time when the music was vibrant and different so of course it is going to be > categorized differently and stand out more for alot of people. This does not > diminish the quality of the solo projects in my opinion but strengthens what > they accomplished when they were younger. I agree with quite alot of you on > favorites and such but I feel the need to say that I think Mamouna is way > underrated. I'm not saying it is my favorite at all but there is that > emotion and drama emitting from it as well as any other solo project > mentioned. > Sharon > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:57:26 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation - -----Original Message----- From: Leighton Goss To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation >How about Grey Lagoons?...... and for a sax solo that always gets me is >'Many Are The Ways' - Manzanera and Mackay. Grey Lagoons was one of those tunes that didn`t leave much of an impression on me until the boots carrying that '72 BBC broadcast version came around. 20+ years later it still blows me away and anyone listening to this version would never call Eno`s contribution noise again. The same is true for the BBC broadcast version of Would You Believe. MacKay shines on this one. With all the rumors of new Ferry releases and Roxy reunions, I`d rather see the release of some of those '70`s live performances rotting away in some vault. Musikladen was a great start and I want more, especially from the '74 tour. Gene > >Leighton >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: 10 June 1999 22:44 >Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation > > >> In a message dated 10/06/99 10:27:47 GMT Daylight Time, >> killip.family@advsys.co.uk writes: >> >> << >> and how about a..."best solo" compilation, my medal winners are >> >> >> >> 1. Mackay's solo in "Pyjamarama" (original Island single) >> 2. BF's organ solo in "Editions" >> 3. Phil's solo in "Dream Home" >> >> JF. >> >> >> >> >> -------------------- >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon >> > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:05:12 -0700 From: Brian Folks Subject: [AVALON] Pyjamarama While we're on this topic - What is a "Pyjamarama"? It always made me think of a Slumber Party. - -Brian Folks - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #176 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest