From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #174 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, June 11 1999 Volume 04 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ["Jason Gibbs" ] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ["Han Snijders" ] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation [Kicki Gustafsson ] [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ["Killip family" ] [AVALON] Pyjamarama ["tfagan" ] Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ["Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation At the risk of seeming like the traitor at the gate I would like to propose a Worst 10 Ferry / Roxy Compilation Tape. It combines my (male) love of lists and my (English) cynicism. I can only hope that my previous good behaviour will be taken into consideration for my betrayal of the cause... Track One Cry Cry Cry Track Two Seven Deadly Sins Track Three Amazing Grace Track Four Tryptich Track Five Flesh and Blood Track Six Trash (Album version) Track Seven Sympathy for the Devil Track Eight Gemini Moon Track Nine The Bob (Medley) Track Ten Rain Rain Rain Track Eleven Wildcat Days (sorry Eno fans) Track Twelve All Tomorrows Parties That still leaves about 150 wonderful songs.. Martini - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:01:44 -0400 From: Jeff Kay Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation I would like to suggest that this individual be banned from the list for life, as he is practicing heresy. Martin Stockman wrote: > At the risk of seeming like the traitor at the gate I would like to propose > a Worst 10 Ferry / Roxy Compilation Tape. It combines my (male) love of > lists and my (English) cynicism. I can only hope that my previous good > behaviour will be taken into consideration for my betrayal of the cause... > > Track One Cry Cry Cry > Track Two Seven Deadly Sins > Track Three Amazing Grace > Track Four Tryptich > Track Five Flesh and Blood > Track Six Trash (Album version) > Track Seven Sympathy for the Devil > Track Eight Gemini Moon > Track Nine The Bob (Medley) > Track Ten Rain Rain Rain > Track Eleven Wildcat Days (sorry Eno fans) > Track Twelve All Tomorrows Parties > > That still leaves about 150 wonderful songs.. > > Martini > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:09:45 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation Fair cop. I'll go quietly.. - ---------- >From: Jeff Kay >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation >Date: Thu, Jun 10, 1999, 1:01 pm > >I would like to suggest that this individual be banned from the list for life, >as he is practicing heresy. > >Martin Stockman wrote: > >> At the risk of seeming like the traitor at the gate I would like to propose >> a Worst 10 Ferry / Roxy Compilation Tape. It combines my (male) love of >> lists and my (English) cynicism. I can only hope that my previous good >> behaviour will be taken into consideration for my betrayal of the cause... >> >> Track One Cry Cry Cry >> Track Two Seven Deadly Sins >> Track Three Amazing Grace >> Track Four Tryptich >> Track Five Flesh and Blood >> Track Six Trash (Album version) >> Track Seven Sympathy for the Devil >> Track Eight Gemini Moon >> Track Nine The Bob (Medley) >> Track Ten Rain Rain Rain >> Track Eleven Wildcat Days (sorry Eno fans) >> Track Twelve All Tomorrows Parties >> >> That still leaves about 150 wonderful songs.. >> >> Martini >> >> -------------------- >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:11:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation It's been so long I can't remember, but don't we burn heretics on this list? Colleen On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > Fair cop. I'll go quietly.. > ---------- > >From: Jeff Kay > > >I would like to suggest that this individual be banned from the list for life, > >as he is practicing heresy. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:40:40 -0700 From: Brian Folks Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation I second this track list. Let us all come out and admit that anyone can release "trash" from time to time. Martin Stockman wrote: > > At the risk of seeming like the traitor at the gate I would like to propose > a Worst 10 Ferry / Roxy Compilation Tape. It combines my (male) love of > lists and my (English) cynicism. I can only hope that my previous good > behaviour will be taken into consideration for my betrayal of the cause... > > Track One Cry Cry Cry > Track Two Seven Deadly Sins > Track Three Amazing Grace > Track Four Tryptich > Track Five Flesh and Blood > Track Six Trash (Album version) > Track Seven Sympathy for the Devil > Track Eight Gemini Moon > Track Nine The Bob (Medley) > Track Ten Rain Rain Rain > Track Eleven Wildcat Days (sorry Eno fans) > Track Twelve All Tomorrows Parties > > That still leaves about 150 wonderful songs.. > > Martini > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:51:51 +0100 From: "Jason Gibbs" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation And to think 'The Bob (Medley)' is one of my all time favorites. Jason >> >> Track One Cry Cry Cry >> Track Two Seven Deadly Sins >> Track Three Amazing Grace >> Track Four Tryptich >> Track Five Flesh and Blood >> Track Six Trash (Album version) >> Track Seven Sympathy for the Devil >> Track Eight Gemini Moon >> Track Nine The Bob (Medley) >> Track Ten Rain Rain Rain >> Track Eleven Wildcat Days (sorry Eno fans) >> Track Twelve All Tomorrows Parties >> >> That still leaves about 150 wonderful songs.. >> >> Martini >> >> -------------------- >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:08:03 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation Colleen, seeing as you always light my fire.. - ---------- >From: Colleen Matan >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation >Date: Thu, Jun 10, 1999, 2:11 pm > > > > >It's been so long I can't remember, but don't we burn heretics on this >list? > >Colleen > >On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > >> Fair cop. I'll go quietly.. >> ---------- >> >From: Jeff Kay >> >> >I would like to suggest that this individual be banned from the list for life, >> >as he is practicing heresy. > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:09:07 -0500 From: Stephen Smith Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation ...and that one of the DJs at my college radio station had written "Greatest rock&roll song of all time" on the back cover of the station's 'Manifesto' album, next to the song title 'Trash'. Steve Jason Gibbs wrote: > And to think 'The Bob (Medley)' is one of my all time favorites. > > Jason > > >> > >> Track One Cry Cry Cry > >> Track Two Seven Deadly Sins > >> Track Three Amazing Grace > >> Track Four Tryptich > >> Track Five Flesh and Blood > >> Track Six Trash (Album version) > >> Track Seven Sympathy for the Devil > >> Track Eight Gemini Moon > >> Track Nine The Bob (Medley) > >> Track Ten Rain Rain Rain > >> Track Eleven Wildcat Days (sorry Eno fans) > >> Track Twelve All Tomorrows Parties > >> > >> That still leaves about 150 wonderful songs.. > >> > >> Martini - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:54:34 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation >I would like to suggest that this individual be banned from the list for life, >as he is practicing heresy. Don't take our Martin to serious, He prefers David Sanborn instead of Andy Mackay !!!!! And it a shock to see some of my favorites on the list but I like the idea to tell what we really don't like. Here is my list of songs that leaves me cold as ice, 1 and 2 absoluty the worst in my opinion (The b-sides and the remixes are out of competition). 1 My little Girl 2 Cry, Cry, Cry 3 Pyjamarama 4 Dance Away 5 Still Falls The Rain 6 Angel Eyes, the single version 7 Valentine 8 The Bob 9 Baby I Don't Care 10 Stronger Through The Years > >Martin Stockman wrote: >> At the risk of seeming like the traitor at the gate I would like to propose >> a Worst 10 Ferry / Roxy Compilation Tape. It combines my (male) love of >> lists and my (English) cynicism. I can only hope that my previous good >> behaviour will be taken into consideration for my betrayal of the cause... >> >> Track One Cry Cry Cry >> Track Two Seven Deadly Sins >> Track Three Amazing Grace >> Track Four Tryptich >> Track Five Flesh and Blood >> Track Six Trash (Album version) >> Track Seven Sympathy for the Devil >> Track Eight Gemini Moon >> Track Nine The Bob (Medley) >> Track Ten Rain Rain Rain >> Track Eleven Wildcat Days (sorry Eno fans) >> Track Twelve All Tomorrows Parties >> >> That still leaves about 150 wonderful songs.. >> >> Martini >> > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:13:40 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation >Track Two Seven Deadly Sins >Track Five Flesh and Blood >Track Eleven Wildcat Days (sorry Eno fans) >Track Twelve All Tomorrows Parties That should read "sorry, music fans". Shocking, Martin Stockman. Just *shocking*. You too, Han. The wonderful Pyjamarama? Valentine? Angel Eyes? Reading other people's hitlists is wonderfully horrifying and I love it. Thanks for panning Stronger Through the Years. My pet theory is that it's about getting wrecked in the local and that the last minute dubs to change 'beers' to 'years' was on the advice of disconcerted record company executives. Just catch that singing style. (I know there are great live versions, but that's a poor excuse at best.) B - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:36:24 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation How about Fingerpoppin' ? Yuck! /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:16:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Ashar Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation You are my sunshine, The Chosen One, most of Bete Noire... - --- Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > How about Fingerpoppin' ? Yuck! > > /Kicki G > > ------------------------ > Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 > http://www.op.se > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:17:18 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation In a message dated 10/06/99 03:56:51 GMT Daylight Time, snijders.geest@gironet.nl writes: << 3 Pyjamarama >> Are you kidding?? Roxy's best single, no problem. <<10 Stronger Through The Years >> Ha Ha, you obviously are kidding. Ok ,here is my top 10 worst (God forgive me) Roxy tracks, 1. Angel Eyes (single version) 2. Cry,Cry,Cry. 3. My little girl. 4. Triptych. 5. Running wild. 6. India. 7. The Bob. 8. Could it happen to me. 9. Just another high. 10. Rain,rain,rain. and BF.......... 1. Amazing Grace. 2. You are my sunshine. 3. Wildcat Days 4. Fingerpoppin' 5. What a wonderful World. 6. That's how strong my love is. 7. Walk a mile in my shoes. 8. Stone woman. 9. Gemini Moon. 10. Because your'e mine. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:45:22 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation >and BF.......... >1. Amazing Grace. >2. You are my sunshine. >3. Wildcat Days >4. Fingerpoppin' >5. What a wonderful World. >6. That's how strong my love is. >7. Walk a mile in my shoes. "Another TIme, Another Place" is a rather silly record, isn't it? When I was 13, I thought that "Help me make it through the night" was the most beautiful song I had ever heard! Ferry crooning "Take the ribbon from your hair" was powerful stuff for a teenager. Doesn't do the same for me these days, though... /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:12:25 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation 'Stronger through the years'? Actually, it's a celebration of the thrills of fast driving. Those lyrics really read, 'stronger through the gears'... And after those BETE NOIRE reviews, perhaps it should have been 'stronger through the jeers'... I think Martin Stockman's 'worst of' is barmy, just barmy. ( Am I the only person who is quite fond of 'my little girl'?) Though I must admit to having struggled with ' Wildcat Days.' That Eno noise, like an elephant copulating, has always seemed to me pretty uncool. I couldn't do a 'worst of', not only because I genuinely like all Ferry's tracks, but because i do believe that loving - really loving - an artist's work - includes appreciating the very lowest moments of their work. For example, I adore Al Green. This does not entail simply loving 'let's stay together', which after all anyone can do - it entails also loving his version of 'white christmas' - very much more challenging! Frank's 'only the lonely', sure...but are you man enough to like his 'Mrs Robinson'?? And just try some of Ray Charles' eighties Nashville tracks! But I wouldn't want to part with any of these things. And I have developed a real affection for that copulating elephant! Tim - -----Original Message----- From: Bahi Para To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation >>Track Two Seven Deadly Sins >>Track Five Flesh and Blood >>Track Eleven Wildcat Days (sorry Eno fans) >>Track Twelve All Tomorrows Parties > >That should read "sorry, music fans". Shocking, Martin Stockman. Just >*shocking*. > >You too, Han. The wonderful Pyjamarama? Valentine? Angel Eyes? > >Reading other people's hitlists is wonderfully horrifying and I love it. >Thanks for panning Stronger Through the Years. My pet theory is that it's >about getting wrecked in the local and that the last minute dubs to change >'beers' to 'years' was on the advice of disconcerted record company >executives. Just catch that singing style. (I know there are great live >versions, but that's a poor excuse at best.) > >B > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:28:40 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation In for a penny...... 1. Cry Cry Cry 2. Just Another High 3. My little Girl 4. It's my Party 5. You are my Sunshine 6. Angel eyes (single) 7. India 8. Could it Happen to Me? 9. Amazing Grace 10. The 39 Steps and how about a..."best solo" compilation, my medal winners are 1. Manzanera's solo in the "fast bit" at the outset of Mother of Pearl 2. Mackay's solo during "Would you Believe" 3. Bryan's vocal (if that is a solo) on "In Every Dream Home.... Offers? David - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:44:19 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation In a message dated 10/06/99 10:27:47 GMT Daylight Time, killip.family@advsys.co.uk writes: << and how about a..."best solo" compilation, my medal winners are >> 1. Mackay's solo in "Pyjamarama" (original Island single) 2. BF's organ solo in "Editions" 3. Phil's solo in "Dream Home" JF. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:18:32 -0700 From: Heather Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation I can agree with all those "worsts," except "Tryptich." Maybe it's because I studied art history. Ciao, Heather At 12:46 PM 6/10/99 +0100, you wrote: > >At the risk of seeming like the traitor at the gate I would like to propose >a Worst 10 Ferry / Roxy Compilation Tape. It combines my (male) love of >lists and my (English) cynicism. I can only hope that my previous good >behaviour will be taken into consideration for my betrayal of the cause... > > >Track One Cry Cry Cry >Track Two Seven Deadly Sins >Track Three Amazing Grace >Track Four Tryptich >Track Five Flesh and Blood >Track Six Trash (Album version) >Track Seven Sympathy for the Devil >Track Eight Gemini Moon >Track Nine The Bob (Medley) >Track Ten Rain Rain Rain >Track Eleven Wildcat Days (sorry Eno fans) >Track Twelve All Tomorrows Parties > >That still leaves about 150 wonderful songs.. > >Martini > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:20:43 -0700 From: Heather Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation We could make a whole album of "worsts on Mamouma" ! Heather At 10:28 PM 6/10/99 +0100, you wrote: > >In for a penny...... > >1. Cry Cry Cry >2. Just Another High >3. My little Girl >4. It's my Party >5. You are my Sunshine >6. Angel eyes (single) >7. India >8. Could it Happen to Me? >9. Amazing Grace >10. The 39 Steps > > >and how about a..."best solo" compilation, my medal winners are > >1. Manzanera's solo in the "fast bit" at the outset of Mother of Pearl >2. Mackay's solo during "Would you Believe" >3. Bryan's vocal (if that is a solo) on "In Every Dream Home.... > >Offers? > > >David > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:12:16 -0400 From: Jim Spellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation Tim Kendrick wrote: > .......I think Martin Stockman's 'worst of' is barmy, just barmy. ( Am I the > only person who is quite fond of 'my little girl'?) Though I must admit > to having struggled with ' Wildcat Days.' That Eno noise, like an > elephant copulating, has always seemed to me pretty uncool....... I too am a fan of "My Little Girl". "Certain parties making out before my eyes" Oh the pain. Also adore "Could it Happen to Me". And Trash is neat. I'll agree that Rain, Rain, Rain and Cry, Cry, Cry are Bad, Bad, Bad. And as much as I love Eno, when I heard Wildcat Days I was like "that's it?". Perhaps that was the payback for letting Eno slip away and make great records with Bowie while Roxy made "nice" records towards the end. Worst Ferry song hands down for me - One Kiss Worst covers - Midnight Hour and Hold on I'm Coming Bryan is many things but he is not Sam nor Dave. Never been able to stomach the 2nd solo album so I don't know how bad it is besides the two hits (which are great) I also think Dance with Life reminds me of what Rod Stewart and Elton John has turned into the last 20 years and is so UnFerry. I'm still miffed that the original Angel Eyes was left off the Manifesto CD in favor of the disco version. It's not like it's not on enough of the greatest hits collections, and why try and change history, I still haven't dropped the $80 to get the real version on the box set. But I do like The Bob, Chosen One and 7 Deadly Sins and all of Bete Noir for that matter. Bring back Johnny Marr and get rid of David "chica chica" Williams. Love, James - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:34:35 -0400 From: "tfagan" Subject: [AVALON] Pyjamarama did you ever hear the vocal track recorded at normal speed from the boot? quite the eye opener! - --TriTri - -----Original Message----- From: Han Snijders >worst in my opinion >3 Pyjamarama >>> - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:42:40 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Worst Compilation John wrote: 3 Pyjamarama >> > >Are you kidding?? Roxy's best single, no problem. > > ><<10 Stronger Through The Years >> > >Ha Ha, you obviously are kidding. We are all kidding I guess....Pyjamarama best single? Triptych, Could it happen to me, Just another high, That's how strong my love....not good?...The world is full of strange figures. There are also a few songs that I really didn't like when I heard it for the first time but after listening a little bit longer I liked them. For instance the first time I heard "are you lonesome tonight' I thought I was listening to a kind of band that plays evergreens on weddings Yacky Brrr. The same happened to me with 'He'll have to go'. Nowadays I even put them on my compilation tapes. But we have to admit that there's a lot of space between Virginia plain and Put you sweet lips a little closer to the phone. If you're not English it's much easier to ignore those sweetie sweet lyrics. I can imagine that Amazing grace is to much for the English and American. I really like the music, a very warm sound. the Dutch version of this song 'waarheen, waartoe' by Mieke Telkamp is really horrifying. It's for years the number one in the Top ten of songs that are played at funerals. At the time they play it most of the people are wishing to be dead too. This weekend I promise to listen very carefully to the lyrics of Pyjamarama. Regards Han PS Thanks Bahi for the reviews of Bete Noire and the amusing notes at the end of it. And Martin that Sandborn remark was indeed below the belt but be honest, you deserved it. ( - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #174 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest