From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #155 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, May 21 1999 Volume 04 : Number 155 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt 1) [Heather Marie Propes ] [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt II) [Heather Marie Propes] [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt III) [Heather Marie Prope] Re: [AVALON] Lyric connection - two minds one..... [Tim Kendrick ] RE: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain [Heather Marie Propes ] Re: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By [JObinv01@aol.com] [AVALON] Re: I.E. Management [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By [Jim Spellman Subject: [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt 1) I tried sending this three times yesterday, with no luck. I'm going to try breaking it up into sections.... I am for an at that is political-erotical-mystical, that does something other than sit on its ass in a museum I am for an art that grows up on knowing it is art at all, an art given the chance of having a starting point of zero I am for an art that embroils itself with the everyday crap and still come out on top I am for an art that imitates the human, that is comic, if necessary, or violent, or whatever is necessary I am for an art that takes its form from the lines of life itself, that twists and extends and accumulates the spits and drips, and is heavy and coarse and blunt and sweet and stupid as life itself I am for an artist who vanishes, turning up in a white cap painting signs or hallways I am for an art that spills out of an old man's purse when he is bounced off a passing fender I am for the art out of a doggy's mouth, falling five stories off the roof I am for an art that a kid licks, after peeling off the wrapper I am for an art that joggles like everyone's knees, when the bus traverses an excavation I am for an art that is smoked, like a cigarette, smells, like a pair of shoes I am for an art that flaps like a flag, or helps blow noses, like a handkerchief I am for an art that is put on and taken off, like pants, which develops holes, like socks, which is eaten, like a piece of pie, or abandoned with great contempt, like a piece of shit. I am for an art covered with bandages, I am for an art that limps and rolls and runs and jumps. I am for art that come in a can or washes up on the shore. I am for art that coils and grunts like a wrestler. I am for art that sheds hair. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:17:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt II) I am for art you can sit on. I am for art you can pick your nose with or stub your toes on. I am for art from a pocket, from deep channels of the ear, from the edge of a knife, from the corners of the mouth, stuck in the eye or worn on the wrist. I am for art under the skirts, and the art of pinching cokroaches. I am for the art of conversation between the sidewalk and a blind man's metal stick I am for the art that grows in a pot, that comes down out of the skies at night, like lightening, that hides in the clouds and growls. I am for art that is flipped on and off with a switch. I am for art that unfolds like a map, that you can squeeze, like your sweetys arm, or kiss, like a pet dog. Which expands and squeaks, like an accordian, which you can spill dinner on, like an old tablecloth. I am for an art you can hammer with, stitch with, sew with, paste with, file with. I am for an art that tells you the time of day, or where such and such a street is. I am for an art that helps old ladies across the street. I am for the art of a washing machine. I am for the art of a government check. I am for the art of last wars raincoat. I am for the art that comes up in fogs from sewer-holes in winter. I am for the art that splits when you step on a frozen puddle. I am for the worms art inside the apple. I am for the art of sweat that develops between crossed legs. I am for the art of neck-hair and caked tea-cups, for the art between the tines of restaurant forks, for the odor of boiling dishwater. I am for the art of sailing on Sunday, and the art of red and white gasoline pumps. I am for the art of bright blue factory columns and blinking biscuit signs. I am for the art of cheap plaster and enamel. I am for the art of worn marble and smashed slate. I am for the art of rolling cobblestones and sliding sand. I am for the art of slag and black coal. I am for the art of dead birds. I am for the art of scratchings in the asphalt, daubing at the walls. I am for the art of bending and kicking metal and breaking glass, and pulling at things to make them fall down. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:18:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt III) I am for the art of punching and skinned knees and sat-on bananas. I am for the art of kids' smells. I am for the art of mama-babble. I am for the art of bar-babble, tooth-picking, beerdrinking, egg-salting, in-sulting. I am for the art of falling off a barstool. I am for the art of underwear and the art of taxicabs. I am for the art of ice-cream cones dropped on concrete. I am for the majestic art of dog-turds, rising like cathedrals. I am for the blinking arts, lighting up the night. I am for art falling, splashing, wiggling, jumping, going on and off. I am for the art of fat truck-tires and black eyes. I am for Kool-art, 7-Up art, Pepsi-art, Sunshine art, 39 cents art, 15 cents art, Vatronol art, Dro-bomb art, Vam art, Menthol art, L & M art, Ex-Lax art, Venida art, Heaven Hill art, Pamryl art, San-o-med art, Rx art, 9.99 art, Now art, New art, How art, Fire sale art, Last Chance art, Only art, Diamond art, Tomorrow art, Franks art, Duck art, Meat-o-rama art. I am for the art of bread wet by rain. I am for the rat's dance between floors. I am for the art of flies walking on a slick pear in the electric light. I am for the art of soggy onions and firm green shoots. I am for the art of clicking among the nuts when the roaches come and go. I am for the brown sad art of rotting apples. I am for the art of meowls and clatter of cats and for the art of their dumb electric eyes. I am for the white art of refrigerators and their muscular openings and closings. I am for the art of rust and mold. I am for the art of hearts, funeral hearts or sweetheart hearts, full of nougat. I am for the art of worn meathooks and singing barrels of red, white, blue, and yellow meat. I am for the art of things lost or thrown away, coming home from school. I am for the art of cock-and-ball trees and flying cows and the noise or rectangles and squares. I am for the art of crayons and weak grey pencil-lead, and grainy wash and sticky oil-paint, and the art of windsheild wipers and the art of the finger on a cold window, on dusty steel or in the bubbles on the sides of a bathtub. I am for the art of teddy-bears and guns and decapitated rabbits, exploded umbrellas, raped beds, chairs with their brown bones broken, burning trees, firecracker ends, chicken bones, pigeon bones and boxes with men sleeping in them. I am for the art of slightly rotten funeral flowers, hung bloody rabbits and wrinkly yellow chickens, bass drums & tambourines, and plastic phonographs. I am for the art of abandoned boxes, tied like pharoahs. I am for an art of watertanks and speeding clouds and flappind shades. I am for U.S. Government Inspected Art, Grade A art, Regular Price art, Yellow Ripe art, Extra Fancy art, Ready-to-eat art, Best-for-less art, Ready-to-cook art, Fully cleaned art, Spend Less art, Eat Better art, Ham art, pork art, chicken art, tomato art, banana art, apple art, turkey art, cake art, cookie art. add: I am for an art that is combed down, that is hung from each ear, that is laid on the lips and under the eyes, that is shaved from the legs, that is brushed on the teeth, that is fixed on the thighs. that is slipped on the foot. square which becomes blobby Claes Oldenburg, 1961 - ---------------------------------------- So here we have a manifesto which casts aside the idealism of earlier political or artistic manifestos, in an embrace of pop culture, or what Clement Greenberg described as "ersatz culture...destined to those who are insensible to the value of real culture." But if Oldenburg's manifesto is nothing but a fine artist "slumming" by conjuring up the images of quotidian life, is Ferry's song just the opposite, a nostalgic tribute to idealism, seen through the eyes of pop-culture? I mean, Ferry's lyrics, "The man who drives the hammer," "Question what you see...and when you find an answer" reminds me of the slogans and soul-searching associated with the early Marxist Revolutionaries, the October group, and the other avant-gardes from that period who thought that art would change the world, and it doesn't get much more idealistic than that. shalom Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:26:26 -0400 From: Tim Kendrick Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lyric connection - two minds one..... Arnie says this: > "Roots drain against the grain"? In fact, the song is a tribute to Bryan's love of France, and the line actually reads: ' Boots lain against the Seine ' Tim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:30:00 -0400 From: Tim Kendrick Subject: Re: [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt III) Heather, thanks so much for typing out all that Manifesto! I paricularly like, > I am for the art of bar-babble, tooth-picking, beerdrinking, egg-salting, > in-sulting. I am for the art of falling off a barstool. which could be the manifesto of the very glorious Tom Waits, speaking of whom, if you haven't heard MULE VARIATIONS yet, don't miss it. It's fabulous. Tim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:49:17 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] '75 Roxy Boot Question At 10.28 +0200 99-05-19, Han Snijders wrote: >The label says it's recorded live at the Wembley empire pool in October >1975. I did not have an extra copy but I on Saturday I go to recordfaire and >I can search for you if you want. Yes it does, but listen to it and then listen to the same track from the Stockholm '76 bootleg. I timed them some 15 years ago. If I could get my turntable working I'll do it again. Daniel B ends B was released in december 1975 and the Stockholmconcert was in januari 1976. It must be a different version Daniel. Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:36:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] All of Claes Oldenburg's Manifesto (pt III) Oh yes, I 've heard good things about that. Will have to check it out. Ciao for now! http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Thu, 20 May 1999, Tim Kendrick wrote: > Heather, thanks so much for typing out all that Manifesto! > > I paricularly like, > > > I am for the art of bar-babble, tooth-picking, beerdrinking, egg-salting, > > in-sulting. I am for the art of falling off a barstool. > > which could be the manifesto of the very glorious Tom Waits, speaking > of whom, if you haven't heard MULE VARIATIONS yet, don't miss it. It's > fabulous. > > Tim > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:24:52 +0100 From: "Richard" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Psalm If anyone doesn't yet have this CD it's available at £10.99 from Key Mail Order, Surrey, England - www.keymailorder.com It's a double CD comprising an audio CD and Video CD. Personally I think the picture quality on the video is very good and it runs very smoothly indeed on my PC. Classic selection of tracks, brilliantly performed live (apart from 'Hard Rain...'). I had heard of this CD but couldn't get hold of a copy until this supplier came up with them. For anyone who doesn't know the track listing is A Hard Rain's A - Gonna Fall If It Takes All Night Out Of The Blue Psalm Street Life Virginia Plain. Sorry if this is 'old hat' to some. Regards, Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:57:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: RE: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain On Wed, 19 May 1999, Robert Fedder wrote: > Bahi, you're so near but so far. No, it's actually "two miabands, one > veighan" and is a celtic slant, referring back to BF's celtic roots. > But could it have been that he said, "two mangos, one vegan," referring to the increasing numbers of neo-hippie post-punk kids in England, growing dreadlocks, living in the forests, eating only organic fruits and vegetables, and listening to ultra-political bands such as Chumbawamba.... Actually, though, I think there is some connection between the lyrics to this song and those to "Manifesto." As you can see, the two songs form a cycle, documenting the evolution of industry from pre-industrial agrarian labor, "root strain against the grain," to the industrial types of labor that was required to catapult society into the machine age, "two mines, one vein." Ferry's fascination with the history of labor and the poor but noble working man was not unlike that of Diego Rivera, who painted the spectacular series of frescos on Detroit Industry, at the Detroit Institute of Arts. In fact, Ferry's series of songs on the Manifesto album may be seen as the musical equivalent to Rivera's frescos, and undoubtedly were intended to be listened to while viewing the latter. Ciao, Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:26:13 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] '75 Roxy Boot Question At 17.49 +0200 99-05-20, Han Snijders wrote: >B ends B was released in december 1975 and the Stockholmconcert was in >januari 1976. It must be a different version Daniel. Then they are only very similar, not identical. Sorry. My mistake. Daniel Daniel Atterbom *************** On May 17, 1954, the Supreme Court under chief justice Earl Warren 9--0 issued its landmark Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka ruling, which declared that racially segregated public schools were inherently unequal. Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare. This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for publication or re-distribution without my written permission. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:25:57 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By In a message dated 18/05/99 20:08:33 GMT, you write: << >I was informed today by I.E. Management that Bryan has withdrawn from the >Montreaux and The Hague dates. Has anyone else got conformation of this???? > >This is no hoax as I have been organising flights and I wouldn't want anyone >to be dissapointed. > Is it just me, or is this getting old? >> I got a programme for the show in The Hague showing that Bryan is to play 10th July from 6 PM to 7:15 PM from the internet last night, I spoke to I.E. today and they confirmed to me again that Bryan is no longer doing these shows. I phoned the information desk in Holland for the show and they told me that as far as they knew Bryan was playing. I phoned I. E. and told them this and they still told me he was not appearing at the show. I asked them if they could contact the show organisers directly and confirm with them that Bryan won't be playing and for them to update their programme,website etc. I told I.E. that there were lots of people, including myself, currently organising tickets, flights, accomodation etc for these dates based on the fact that the show promoters are still showing Bryan on the programme. This is not part of any hoax, I am only quoting what I have been told. I wish he was definately playing and I hope that the organisers information can be updated by tomorrow and let us all know where we stand. Regards John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:26:15 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: I.E. Management In a message dated 18/05/99 21:12:08 GMT, I wrote :- This is the e-mail I sent to I.E. Management :- << Dear Mr Endhoven, I am part of a mailing list called 'The Avalon Mailing List'. This is a lot of fans from all around the world who talk to each other through the web. Every member of the list gets each posting sent to them. We inform one another of anything we see in the press TV etc so that we can catch all these things. We also ask questions on the archives and anyone who has the knowledge passes this on. Here is an example of what goes on in the 'Mailing List' Sonnett No 18 Does any one know why Bryan did this track for "The Diana Tribute Album" was it because :- 1 he was a friend of Dianas 2 she was a fan of his music 3 the poem was a personal favourite of hers 4 the words are suitable for someone like her 5 Diana & Shakespeare are icons of Englishness and Bryan was an obvious choice as a musician who is very much 'the English gent' 6 Bryan was doing this track or intended to before Dianas death 7 Was it none, some or all of these reasons??? Would it be possible for you to send me any information on the forthcoming releases. We know Bryan has recorded an album of 30's songs called "As Time Goes By" What's the track listing??? When is it to be released??? Any single information??? Tour information??? Any other information on recordings that have been done since Mamouna and any plans for this stuff ??? I also believe that there is to be a box set of Bryan's solo stuff like "The Thrill Of It All" with Dance With Life to be released as a single to promote this. Have you any more information on this. I can copy your e-mail reply into the mailing list and instantly thousands of 'List Members' receive this who are then in turn informing all the fan friends they have that don't have e-mail. "The jungle drums start beating" This is the quickest way the "Bryan Ferry Sales Reps", as we may be called, can get this info. The list has people from all over UK, USA, Russia, Greece, Australia, Japan, Argentina,Germany, Holland, France etc to name but a few. I hope you can be of some help to us but I will understand that if it is not possible for any reason that you cannot pass any information to us at this stage. I look forward to your reply, regards John O'Brien >> - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:39:34 -0400 From: Jim Spellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By JObinv01@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 18/05/99 20:08:33 GMT, you write: > > << > >I was informed today by I.E. Management that Bryan has withdrawn from the > >Montreaux and The Hague dates. Has anyone else got conformation of this???? > > > >This is no hoax as I have been organising flights and I wouldn't want anyone > >to be dissapointed. > > > > > Is it just me, or is this getting old? > >> > > I got a programme for the show in The Hague showing that Bryan is to play > 10th July from 6 PM to 7:15 PM from the internet last night, I spoke to I.E. > today and they confirmed to me again that Bryan is no longer doing these > shows. I phoned the information desk in Holland for the show and they told me > that as far as they knew Bryan was playing. I phoned I. E. and told them this > and they still told me he was not appearing at the show. I asked them if they > could contact the show organisers directly and confirm with them that Bryan > won't be playing and for them to update their programme,website etc. > > I told I.E. that there were lots of people, including myself, currently > organising tickets, flights, accomodation etc for these dates based on the > fact that the show promoters are still showing Bryan on the programme. > > This is not part of any hoax, I am only quoting what I have been told. I wish > he was definately playing and I hope that the organisers information can be > updated by tomorrow and let us all know where we stand. > > Regards > > John O'Brien > John, I can only speak for myself, but I think what is getting old is that fact that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing (as you have just proved) and the fans are left in the dark. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #155 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest