From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #152 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, May 18 1999 Volume 04 : Number 152 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] The Thrill of It All 4CD Set [ferryman@freeuk.com (Christopher T] Re: [AVALON] The Thrill of It All 4CD Set [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain [ASchulberg@aol.com] [AVALON] Re: The Island Story ["Richard" ] Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain [Heather Marie Propes ] Re: [AVALON] who's that girl? ["Heather D." ] Re: [AVALON] who's that girl? ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] '75 Roxy Boot Question ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By [Bahi Para - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:45:28 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Thrill of It All 4CD Set At 11.28 +0200 99-05-18, Christopher Turner wrote: >Those of you in the UK and elsewhere who are still considering buying >the box set should have a look at www.boxman.co.uk . I bought it for >?24.58 plus ?2.50 shipping recently. This is WAY cheaper than >elsewhere (typically ?36-?44) Quick service too. Despite the address, >I think they're based in Holland and should ship overseas. Boxman is a Swedish internet company now setting up shop all over Europe. They are not like amazon.com making any profit. As with all discount internet retailers they are waiting for the stock market to help them make all killing. I don not think that these internet companies selling books, CDs or whatever will make it in the long run. Do please eveyone, do buy any Roxy items you want as cheap as you can while you can. Daniel Daniel Atterbom *************** On May 17, 1954, the Supreme Court under chief justice Earl Warren 9--0 issued its landmark Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka ruling, which declared that racially segregated public schools were inherently unequal. Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare. This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for publication or re-distribution without my written permission. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:24:22 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] More Press sightings John wrote... >Hello, spotted this in today's (Monday) Mirror newspaper....."What a loyal >customer Bryan Ferry is. A few days ago, 27 years after Chelsea hairdressers >Smile did the styling for Roxy Music's first album, he was at their salon for >a trim". Hopefully getting spruced up for the Roxy reunion album shots. I understand that there was a classic black tux shot of Bry in last Friday's Evening Standard, pictured at the Sony Radio Awards. Let your senses skip Martino - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:21:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] who's that girl? Yes, I personally don't find gay men appealing in a sexual way, but that doesn't mean I don't find Ferry appealing. I personally don't see much that is "femme" about him. To me he's more like a Cary Grant or a Yves Montand type, smooth, debonair, like something from the past. Maybe it is his anachronism (anachrony? Eh?) that makes him seem gay. More on Claes Oldenburg by tomorrow pm, I promise! Ciao, Shalom, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Mon, 17 May 1999, Colleen Matan wrote: > > > I deleted Daniel's message instead of replying to it--grrr--but the link > he provided (http://www.publicnews.com/sound/filmlib/filmdb822.html) > provided this quote: > > > "Roxy was a straight band, mostly heterosexual men for the most part, and > > Eno played up this androgyny thing, because it was in vogue. They > > spearheaded aspects of it that Bowie wasn't covering. Eno was the most > > femmed-out, androgynous of them all. So that's who the girls freaked out > > over - Eno. Even though Ferry was incredibly handsome, charming, debonair, > > the fans would be screaming, 'Eno, Eno, Eno,' during Ferry's gorgeous > > ballads. It got really tense between them, and Eno was a love machine, and > > he could fuck all day and all night. The girls lined up and he never > > stopped. They didn't speak for nearly 20-years." Time heals all wounds, > > and Eno and Ferry were as proud of the film's premiere at Cannes as was > > Haynes. > > > I didn't subscribe to the "Ferry is so appealing to women because he's > just like a gay man theory" and now I gotta say Eno never really did it > for me either. > > Colleen > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:33:52 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain In a message dated 5/17/99 3:42:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JObinv01@aol.com writes: << I have a rare issue of the Manifesto LP which included the lyrics in the inner sleeve. They read :- "... two minds, one vain" >> Ah, now that's clever and makes sense. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:55:55 -0400 From: "Angel Colon" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain The "two minds, one vein" lyric work in the Jekyll/Hyde context and also add an element of reflecting on drug addiction...and the way a person can become someone totally different while under the influence. I always thought it was "brain"also but am convinced that it is indeed "vein" from listening to live recordings where it is obvious that Bryan is singing the word vein. - -----Original Message----- From: JObinv01@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Cc: JObinv01@aol.com Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 3:42 PM Subject: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain >I have a rare issue of the Manifesto LP which included the lyrics in the >inner sleeve. > >They read :- > >"... two minds, one vain" > >Hope this helps > >John O'Brien > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:54:38 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain Colleen wrote: >No, isn't it "...two minds, one vane" > >You mean it isn't it a song about "country life?" No, no, we've all been such fools. This is a song about the decline of heavy industry in the north of England, where the rain falls a lot (still): 'two mines were in vain'. A typical bit of Ferryesque wordplay ('tomb mines were in vein') almost subliminally reminds us of the perils and pitfalls of mining. It is at once both a personal tribute to his father's work with the pit ponies and a cleverly coded left wing ('hey, brother') song of workmanly comradeship in the poorly lit underground conditions ('here it is - - not over there'). Bahi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:57:16 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain In a message dated 5/18/99 8:56:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bahi@macnet.co.uk writes: << No, no, we've all been such fools. This is a song about the decline of heavy industry in the north of England, where the rain falls a lot (still): 'two mines were in vain'. A typical bit of Ferryesque wordplay ('tomb mines were in vein') almost subliminally reminds us of the perils and pitfalls of mining. It is at once both a personal tribute to his father's work with the pit ponies and a cleverly coded left wing ('hey, brother') song of workmanly comradeship in the poorly lit underground conditions ('here it is - not over there'). >> Oh, Bahi, how clever. Any further deconstructionists out there? Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:43:51 +0100 From: "Richard" Subject: [AVALON] Re: The Island Story BBC Radio 2 this Saturday (22 May) - "The Island Story", featuring contributions by Bryan Ferry. Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:59:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain On Tue, 18 May 1999, Bahi Para wrote: > Colleen wrote: > > >No, isn't it "...two minds, one vane" > > > >You mean it isn't it a song about "country life?" > > No, no, we've all been such fools. This is a song about the decline of > heavy industry in the north of England, where the rain falls a lot (still): > 'two mines were in vain'. A typical bit of Ferryesque wordplay ('tomb mines > were in vein') almost subliminally reminds us of the perils and pitfalls of > mining. It is at once both a personal tribute to his father's work with the > pit ponies and a cleverly coded left wing ('hey, brother') song of > workmanly comradeship in the poorly lit underground conditions ('here it is > - not over there'). > Or like later in the song, when he demands that we "call him mister, or just call him guy," ostensibly, Ferry is trying to "get down" to the level of the fans that will ultimately spend their hard-earned cash on this album. But I am afraid it is not a sincere effort at a renunciation of capitalist and elitist values, but rather a clever ploy to exploit the miners in order to sell records. The reason I say this is that later in the song, he says, "Be my bride, and feed me grapes," revealing his repressed inner desires to see women as property, feeding him grapes in a subservient manner not unlike that of Geisha girls or the slaves of the Imperial Rome. That's my two cents. Shalom Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:43:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain Actually, on further reflection, taking into account that Ferry could care less about politics and would not dirty his hands with class issues, I am sure that the line is instead: "two mimes, one of them a dame" which clearly refers to both his early theatrical career and his love of Shields and Yarnell. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:13:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Manifesto" Thanks, and I actually intend to finish it. Hopefully this evening, if Anders hasn't shanghai-ed the computer for that silly dissertation of his. Imagine, a math dissertation as important as my communiquees to Avalon! BTW- Did Ferry attend St. Martin's College? shalom, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Tue, 18 May 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > A wonderful contribution Heather. > > Martini > ---------- > >From: Heather Marie Propes > >To: "avalon@smoe.org" > >Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Manifesto" > >Date: Sun, May 16, 1999, 9:50 pm > > > > > > > > > > >On Sat, 15 May 1999, Gregory A. Koetting wrote: > > > >> His lyrics for this song really are unsual- no female attractions, no > >> world-weariness romantic hope against hopelessness sort of thing, yet he > >> draws an interesting caricature of a man who has a sort of the 'rage > >> against the machine,' particularly with the.. > >> > >> "I am that I am from out of nowhere..." > >> > >> verse. > >> > >OK, this is what I have heard about the song: > > > >Early avant-gardists such as Dadaists, Surrealists, Cubists, concrete > >poets, and EASPECIALLY the constructivists and supremetists, such as > >Alexander Rodchencko and > >El Lizzitsky, etc. liked to write manifestos about their art, about how it > >would create a revolution, democratize art, etc. The 2nd generation of > >avant-gardists, the situationists, conceptualists, video and performance > >artists, fluxus and perfomance artists, liked to feel that they were > >direct descendants of the first generation avant-gardists, Duchamp and his > >ilk. We already know that Ferry was a fan of Duchamp, since he has an > >album called "The Bride Stripped Bare," (the name is directly taken from > >Duchamps famous, "Large Glass,"), and since Ferry was an art student in > >the 70's, he was probably a follower of the concentualist art and all of > >its sub-categories. > > > >Anyway, back to Manifesto. In the late 1950's, in New York pop artist > >Claes Oldenberg (husband of Coosjie Van Bruggen, that name just kills me), > >and a group of 2nd generation avant-gardists were reacting against > >abstract expressionism. The didn't like people like Clement Greenberg who > >insisted on labelling anything that didn't set itself apart from pop > >culture, kitsch, so this is about when genres like pop art and > >conceptualism, which were intent on erasing the boundaries between > >high and low art, and all the elitism that resulted, began. > > > >Artists such as Jasper Johns, Andy warhol, Claes Oldenburg, and Robert > >Rauschenburg were interested in combining pop culture with "high" art. > > > > > >In 1960-61, Oldenburg reented out a storefront in New York and staged an > >environmental work called "The Store." It utilized commonly available > >commercial products and advertising imagery. It had its origins in objects > >and reliefs based on everyday items such as food and advertisements. > >Basically, he filled the space with a bunch of big burlap and paper mache > >banaas, slices of cake, and catsup bottles. In keeping with his > >generations nostalgia for the 1st avent garde, he wrote a manifesto for > >The Store. This manifesto was highly ironi becaused it was in reference to > >a work that was a direct parody of commencial culture, not a means of > >transcending it. > > > >Anyway, here's how Oldenburg's 1960 manifesto went, and I think this is > >where Ferry got his idea (note the "blue-collar" undertones): > > > >I am for an at that is political-erotical-mystical, that does something > >other than sit on its ass in a museum > > > >I am for an art that grows up on knowing it is art at all, an art given > >the chance of having a starting point of zero > > > >I am for an art that embroils itself with the everyday crap and still come > >out on top > > > >I am for an art that imitates the human, that is comic, if necessary, or > >violent, or whatever is necessary > > > >I am for an art that takes its form from the lines of life itself, that > >twists and extends and accumulates the spits and drips, and is heavy and > >coarse and blunt and sweet and stupid as life itself > > > > > >I am for an artist who vanishes, turning up in a white cap painting signs > >or hallways > > > >I am for an art that spills out of an old man's purse when he is bounced > >off a passing fender > > > >I am for the art out of a doggy's mouth, falling five stories off the roof > > > >I am for an art that a kid licks, after peeling off the wrapper > > > >I am for an art that joggles like everyone's knees, when the bus traverses > >an excavation > > > >I am for an art that is smoked, like a cigarette, smells, like a pair of > >shoes > > > >I am for an art that flaps like a flag, or helps blow noses, like a > >handkerchief > > > >I am for an art that is put on and taken off, like pants, which develops > >holes, like socks, which is eaten, like a piece of pie, or abandoned with > >great contempt, like a piece of shit. > > > > > >[and so on and so on...I'll type in the rest if anyone wants to read it] > > > > > >Shalom, > > > >Heather > > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------- > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:41:48 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] who's that girl? >Yes, I personally don't find gay men appealing in a sexual way, but that >doesn't mean I don't find Ferry appealing. I personally don't see much >that is "femme" about him. To me he's more like a Cary Grant or a Yves >Montand type, smooth, debonair, like something from the past. Maybe it is >his anachronism (anachrony? Eh?) that makes him seem gay. > >More on Claes Oldenburg by tomorrow pm, I promise! > >Ciao, Shalom, > >http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop > >Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu I've never seen the woman in Ferry either, but now when I think about it, I guess his vague-ish side can be rather feminine...as in: - - Should I wear black or gray? - - The paisly tie with striped boxer shorts...no? - - Gel or mousse for the hair? - - New record or remix old one? /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:50:44 PDT From: "Heather D." Subject: Re: [AVALON] who's that girl? Well, I have to admit, I was attracted to the 'feather' era Eno. Why I can't explain, since it might get a little too analytical anyhow :) As for the huge sexual following Eno had at that point, it seems like the time period was condusive to that. This was glam, and such figures as Bowie-Ziggy, Eno and Ferry, could wear makeup and have some feminine undertones(Ferry) and overtones(Eno and Bowie) and be great sex symbals. I could be wrong, I unfortunately wasn't there at the time. Personally my favorite Eno-camp moment is during the "Every Dreamhome..." clip on Total Recall. I just wish that the camera would pan over to him more often :) Truly, HD. >Yes, I personally don't find gay men appealing in a sexual way, but that >doesn't mean I don't find Ferry appealing. I personally don't see much >that is "femme" about him. To me he's more like a Cary Grant or a Yves >Montand type, smooth, debonair, like something from the past. Maybe it is >his anachronism (anachrony? Eh?) that makes him seem gay. > >More on Claes Oldenburg by tomorrow pm, I promise! > >Ciao, Shalom, > >http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop > >Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:03:52 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] who's that girl? A gay pal once said that it was the fact that Bry was straight that made him so alluring. He was/is a good friend of Lucy's but never became acquainted with Ferry's inner circle. pip pip Martini - ---------- >From: "Heather D." >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] who's that girl? >Date: Tue, May 18, 1999, 6:50 pm > >Well, I have to admit, I was attracted to the 'feather' era Eno. Why I can't >explain, since it might get a little too analytical anyhow :) >As for the huge sexual following Eno had at that point, it seems like the >time period was condusive to that. This was glam, and such figures as >Bowie-Ziggy, Eno and Ferry, could wear makeup and have some feminine >undertones(Ferry) and overtones(Eno and Bowie) and be great sex symbals. I >could be wrong, I unfortunately wasn't there at the time. Personally my >favorite Eno-camp moment is during the "Every Dreamhome..." clip on Total >Recall. I just wish that the camera would pan over to him more often :) > > >Truly, > >HD. > > >>Yes, I personally don't find gay men appealing in a sexual way, but that >>doesn't mean I don't find Ferry appealing. I personally don't see much >>that is "femme" about him. To me he's more like a Cary Grant or a Yves >>Montand type, smooth, debonair, like something from the past. Maybe it is >>his anachronism (anachrony? Eh?) that makes him seem gay. >> >>More on Claes Oldenburg by tomorrow pm, I promise! >> >>Ciao, Shalom, >> >>http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop >> >>Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:57:04 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] who's that girl? In a message dated 5/18/99 11:43:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kicki.gustafsson@op.se writes: << I've never seen the woman in Ferry either, but now when I think about it, I guess his vague-ish side can be rather feminine...as in: - Should I wear black or gray? - The paisly tie with striped boxer shorts...no? - Gel or mousse for the hair? - New record or remix old one? >> Great, Kicki. That last one made me laugh out loud. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:19:13 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain In a message dated 17/05/99 23:40:57 GMT, you write: << Is it 'vein' rather than 'vain'? >> Definately "...vein..." John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:26:39 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain In a message dated 18/05/99 18:19:13 GMT, you write: << << Is it 'vein' rather than 'vain'? >> Definately "...vein..." John O'Brien >> I didn't realise when I sent this reply that I had said vain on my orriginal posting, sorry for the badd spelling. J.O'B. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:37:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Manifesto" Not the Richard Hamilton that translated Duchamp's Green Box? Interesting about his teenage years, I had thought he would have been hanging out with Gilbert and George or T.J. Clark. ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Tue, 18 May 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > No. He really wasn't that trendy in his teens. And don't forget Lodon was as > alien as Florence to him back then. He went to University of Newcastle and > studied ceramics. And met Richard Hamilton.... > When he finally made it to my groovy city he was a van driver "with a chip > on his shoulder, carving up Rollers on Park Lane" ! He taught art at > Hammersmith School for Girls but got fired for playing music all class... > ---------- > >From: Heather Marie Propes > >To: Martin Stockman > >Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Manifesto" > >Date: Tue, May 18, 1999, 4:13 pm > > > > >Thanks, and I actually intend to finish it. Hopefully this evening, if > >Anders hasn't shanghai-ed the computer for that silly dissertation of his. > >Imagine, a math dissertation as important as my communiquees to Avalon! > > > >BTW- Did Ferry attend St. Martin's College? > > > >shalom, > > > >http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop > > > >Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > > > > > > > >On Tue, 18 May 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > > > >> A wonderful contribution Heather. > >> > >> Martini > >> ---------- > >> >From: Heather Marie Propes > >> >To: "avalon@smoe.org" > >> >Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Manifesto" > >> >Date: Sun, May 16, 1999, 9:50 pm > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >On Sat, 15 May 1999, Gregory A. Koetting wrote: > >> > > >> >> His lyrics for this song really are unsual- no female attractions, no > >> >> world-weariness romantic hope against hopelessness sort of thing, yet he > >> >> draws an interesting caricature of a man who has a sort of the 'rage > >> >> against the machine,' particularly with the.. > >> >> > >> >> "I am that I am from out of nowhere..." > >> >> > >> >> verse. > >> >> > >> >OK, this is what I have heard about the song: > >> > > >> >Early avant-gardists such as Dadaists, Surrealists, Cubists, concrete > >> >poets, and EASPECIALLY the constructivists and supremetists, such as > >> >Alexander Rodchencko and > >> >El Lizzitsky, etc. liked to write manifestos about their art, about how it > >> >would create a revolution, democratize art, etc. The 2nd generation of > >> >avant-gardists, the situationists, conceptualists, video and performance > >> >artists, fluxus and perfomance artists, liked to feel that they were > >> >direct descendants of the first generation avant-gardists, Duchamp and his > >> >ilk. We already know that Ferry was a fan of Duchamp, since he has an > >> >album called "The Bride Stripped Bare," (the name is directly taken from > >> >Duchamps famous, "Large Glass,"), and since Ferry was an art student in > >> >the 70's, he was probably a follower of the concentualist art and all of > >> >its sub-categories. > >> > > >> >Anyway, back to Manifesto. In the late 1950's, in New York pop artist > >> >Claes Oldenberg (husband of Coosjie Van Bruggen, that name just kills me), > >> >and a group of 2nd generation avant-gardists were reacting against > >> >abstract expressionism. The didn't like people like Clement Greenberg who > >> >insisted on labelling anything that didn't set itself apart from pop > >> >culture, kitsch, so this is about when genres like pop art and > >> >conceptualism, which were intent on erasing the boundaries between > >> >high and low art, and all the elitism that resulted, began. > >> > > >> >Artists such as Jasper Johns, Andy warhol, Claes Oldenburg, and Robert > >> >Rauschenburg were interested in combining pop culture with "high" art. > >> > > >> > > >> >In 1960-61, Oldenburg reented out a storefront in New York and staged an > >> >environmental work called "The Store." It utilized commonly available > >> >commercial products and advertising imagery. It had its origins in objects > >> >and reliefs based on everyday items such as food and advertisements. > >> >Basically, he filled the space with a bunch of big burlap and paper mache > >> >banaas, slices of cake, and catsup bottles. In keeping with his > >> >generations nostalgia for the 1st avent garde, he wrote a manifesto for > >> >The Store. This manifesto was highly ironi becaused it was in reference to > >> >a work that was a direct parody of commencial culture, not a means of > >> >transcending it. > >> > > >> >Anyway, here's how Oldenburg's 1960 manifesto went, and I think this is > >> >where Ferry got his idea (note the "blue-collar" undertones): > >> > > >> >I am for an at that is political-erotical-mystical, that does something > >> >other than sit on its ass in a museum > >> > > >> >I am for an art that grows up on knowing it is art at all, an art given > >> >the chance of having a starting point of zero > >> > > >> >I am for an art that embroils itself with the everyday crap and still come > >> >out on top > >> > > >> >I am for an art that imitates the human, that is comic, if necessary, or > >> >violent, or whatever is necessary > >> > > >> >I am for an art that takes its form from the lines of life itself, that > >> >twists and extends and accumulates the spits and drips, and is heavy and > >> >coarse and blunt and sweet and stupid as life itself > >> > > >> > > >> >I am for an artist who vanishes, turning up in a white cap painting signs > >> >or hallways > >> > > >> >I am for an art that spills out of an old man's purse when he is bounced > >> >off a passing fender > >> > > >> >I am for the art out of a doggy's mouth, falling five stories off the roof > >> > > >> >I am for an art that a kid licks, after peeling off the wrapper > >> > > >> >I am for an art that joggles like everyone's knees, when the bus traverses > >> >an excavation > >> > > >> >I am for an art that is smoked, like a cigarette, smells, like a pair of > >> >shoes > >> > > >> >I am for an art that flaps like a flag, or helps blow noses, like a > >> >handkerchief > >> > > >> >I am for an art that is put on and taken off, like pants, which develops > >> >holes, like socks, which is eaten, like a piece of pie, or abandoned with > >> >great contempt, like a piece of shit. > >> > > >> > > >> >[and so on and so on...I'll type in the rest if anyone wants to read it] > >> > > >> > > >> >Shalom, > >> > > >> >Heather > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >-------------------- > >> >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >> >unsubscribe avalon > >> > > >> > > > > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:34:36 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By I was informed today by I.E. Management that Bryan has withdrawn from the Montreaux and The Hague dates. Has anyone else got conformation of this???? This is no hoax as I have beenorganising flights and I wouldn't want anyone to be dissapointed. I have also been informed by I.E. that "As Time Goes By" is to scheduled for a September release. Is Bryan trying to cash in on a title that can get huge airplay at the millenium on all the retro TV specials, or am I too synical. John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:48:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] Still falls The Rain Is this the same kind of wordplay that we were discussing a few months ago in the context of the "Manifesto" lyrics? Wheher it was "brute strain against the grain," or "root strain against the grain?" I think it would be very interesting and telling to take a survey of us Avalonians and find out if there is any pattern to whether those of us who fell into the "brute strain", or the "root strain" camp last time are more likely to fall into the "vain" camp or the "vein" camp this time. It couldn't be purely coincidental. Ciao, Heather On Tue, 18 May 1999 JObinv01@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 18/05/99 18:19:13 GMT, you write: > > << << > Is it 'vein' rather than 'vain'? >> > > Definately "...vein..." > > John O'Brien >> > > > I didn't realise when I sent this reply that I had said vain on my orriginal > posting, sorry for the badd spelling. > > J.O'B. > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:58:24 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] '75 Roxy Boot Question >I just came across a Roxy boot (actually, a re-re-re-reboot) of the all too >famous '75 London/New York show, but this copy adds "For Your Pleasure." >I`ve seen this song ever listed with this show before. Does anyone have a >copy of this boot with FYP? > >Gene Maybe they've add the B-side of Both ends Burning which is from that tour. Han > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:04:16 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] '75 Roxy Boot Question At 20.58 +0200 99-05-18, Han Snijders wrote: >Maybe they've add the B-side of Both ends Burning which is from that tour. The one I claim is from Stockholm and not London. Daniel Daniel Atterbom *************** On May 17, 1954, the Supreme Court under chief justice Earl Warren 9--0 issued its landmark Brown vs. Board of Education of Topeka ruling, which declared that racially segregated public schools were inherently unequal. Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare. This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for publication or re-distribution without my written permission. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:01:04 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] '75 Roxy Boot Question - -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Atterbom To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 3:03 PM Subject: [AVALON] '75 Roxy Boot Question >At 20.58 +0200 99-05-18, Han Snijders wrote: >>Maybe they've add the B-side of Both ends Burning which is from that tour. There was a live version of FYP from this tour as a "B" side? Where in hell was I when this happened? Anyone have a copy of this? >The one I claim is from Stockholm and not London. > >Daniel > I couldn`t see them adding Stockholm`s FYP on this boot in place of Virginia Plain or Song For Europe, the only tracks missing from the previous incarnations of this boot. But, you never know until you hear it and I`m still waiting for him to respond to my e-mail. According to the track list locations on the CD, it`s credited with being live in England Oct.1975. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:07:37 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By - -----Original Message----- From: JObinv01@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Cc: JObinv01@aol.com Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 2:45 PM Subject: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By >I was informed today by I.E. Management that Bryan has withdrawn from the >Montreaux and The Hague dates. Has anyone else got conformation of this???? > >This is no hoax as I have beenorganising flights and I wouldn't want anyone >to be dissapointed. > Is it just me, or is this getting old? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:12:08 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By In a message dated 18/05/99 20:08:33 GMT, you write: << Is it just me, or is this getting old? >> I honestly was told this today by I.E management No hoax John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:28:36 PDT From: "Heather D." Subject: [AVALON] re: Who's That Girl? > >Well, I have to admit, I was attracted to the 'feather' era Eno. Why I >can't >explain, since it might get a little too analytical anyhow :) >As for the huge sexual following Eno had at that point, it seems like the >time period was condusive to that. This was glam, and such figures as >Bowie-Ziggy, Eno and Ferry, could wear makeup and have some feminine >undertones(Ferry) and overtones(Eno and Bowie) and be great sex symbals. I >could be wrong, I unfortunately wasn't there at the time. Personally my >favorite Eno-camp moment is during the "Every Dreamhome..." clip on Total >Recall. I just wish that the camera would pan over to him more often :) > > >Truly, > >HD. > > > >Yes, I personally don't find gay men appealing in a sexual way, but that > >doesn't mean I don't find Ferry appealing. I personally don't see much > >that is "femme" about him. To me he's more like a Cary Grant or a Yves > >Montand type, smooth, debonair, like something from the past. Maybe it is > >his anachronism (anachrony? Eh?) that makes him seem gay. > > > >More on Claes Oldenburg by tomorrow pm, I promise! > > > >Ciao, Shalom, > > > >http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop > > > >Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > > -------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:28:30 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By John O'Brien wrote: >I was informed today by I.E. Management that Bryan has withdrawn from the >Montreaux and The Hague dates. Has anyone else got conformation of this? If this is true, Mr Ferry needs to get himself sorted out, for sure. IE Management are clearly far, far too nice for Bryan's own good. Yesterday's Montreux update still carried Bryan's name, so if he has withdrawn, it hasn't been confirmed in Switzerland yet. Did anyone else sign up for the Montreux update mailing list? I've heard nothing since the confirmation messages. >Is Bryan trying to cash in on a title that can get huge airplay at the >millenium on all the retro TV specials The saddest part, perhaps, is that it would probably work. I can imagine quite a lot of punters being only too ready to send the century off to the sounds of Ferry crooning that kind of a song. A tad obvious, perhaps, but that wouldn't hurt its chances. Bahi (Just back from looking up Shields & Yarnell. I like this web thing.) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:56:22 +0100 From: "Richard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jazz Festival / As Time Goes By P.S. If the new single information is reliable then this (finally) knocks the double bluff theories about "Pastiche" into a cocked hat. Richard - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #152 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest