From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #150 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, May 17 1999 Volume 04 : Number 150 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Subject: [AVALON] Re-Masters ["Richard" ] Re: [AVALON] "Manifesto" [Heather Marie Propes ] Re: [AVALON] "Manifesto" [Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: Subject: [AVALON] Re-Masters Hi Chris and welcome! Thanks for the info - as with so many things we'll have to wait and see I guess (perhaps as a 'rarity' "Dance With Life" is to be released to promote the boxed set - at least in doing so it will promote Bryan's work more, rather than the film as it would have done back in '96). At least some activity is guaranteed this year. Regards, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Turner To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 7:46 AM Subject: Subject: [AVALON] Re-Masters >Greetings All! My first posting, after a lot of lurking (so be >gentle!) > >iMVS in the UK suggest that Bryan's solo album 'In Your Mind', which >is currently out of stock will be remastered and re-released with a >projected date of 31st August so it would appear that the solo back >catalogue material will also now appear. > >They also suggest that Dance With Life will get a December release in >the UK (could this be a movie tie-in, as it seems a little strange to >release this after 3 year's in cold storage? Take this news with a >pinch of salt I'd advise.) > >Chris > >>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:56:47 EDT >>From: JObinv01@aol.com >>Subject: [AVALON] Re-Masters >> >>The first 5 Roxy albums are to be released in UK 5th July 1999 >> >>Regards >> >>J.O'B. > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:44:48 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] In a message dated 5/15/99 5:37:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, decophile@pipeline.com writes: << Anyway I'm off now for a few months but here's hoping that we'll all meet up >in Montreaux. > >Gareth (heading to the travel agents to look for the cheapest flight) > I sure hope someone will bring a DAT recorder... >> Yeah. Keep those of us who can't attend posted on that effort. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:27:15 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: [AVALON] North Sea Jazz Festival and STTY This is absolutely infuriating! I am in Rotterdam, returning to UK, the day before (groan) BF plays the Jazz festival in the Hague. Please... somebody get there and post a blow by blow report. As to "Stronger Through The Years" being about Jews down the ages, I think there is something in that. On the "Concert Classics" CD, recorded in Denver on the Manifesto tour (but only released in the UK in 1998..I think) BF dedicates STTY to "some people who can't be with us tonight because of Passover". Seems like a clue. David Killip CPL593H - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:03:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] Montreaux does sound wonderful. Sure wish I could go. Well, someday when we live in denmark maybe it will be more feasible. Have fun all of you who do go! We're going to the Grand Canyon and Zion (which won't be half bad either) Shalom (sick of saying ciao) Heather http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Sat, 15 May 1999, Richard wrote: > Thanks everyone for all the info on the upcoming European concerts. I've > never travelled outside the U.K. to see Bryan but this looks like something > special so what the heck - I'll be on the 'phone later this morning when the > box office opens. Hope I get tickets and others on the list who want to go > are successful. > Regards, > Richard > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:50:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Manifesto" On Sat, 15 May 1999, Gregory A. Koetting wrote: > His lyrics for this song really are unsual- no female attractions, no > world-weariness romantic hope against hopelessness sort of thing, yet he > draws an interesting caricature of a man who has a sort of the 'rage > against the machine,' particularly with the.. > > "I am that I am from out of nowhere..." > > verse. > OK, this is what I have heard about the song: Early avant-gardists such as Dadaists, Surrealists, Cubists, concrete poets, and EASPECIALLY the constructivists and supremetists, such as Alexander Rodchencko and El Lizzitsky, etc. liked to write manifestos about their art, about how it would create a revolution, democratize art, etc. The 2nd generation of avant-gardists, the situationists, conceptualists, video and performance artists, fluxus and perfomance artists, liked to feel that they were direct descendants of the first generation avant-gardists, Duchamp and his ilk. We already know that Ferry was a fan of Duchamp, since he has an album called "The Bride Stripped Bare," (the name is directly taken from Duchamps famous, "Large Glass,"), and since Ferry was an art student in the 70's, he was probably a follower of the concentualist art and all of its sub-categories. Anyway, back to Manifesto. In the late 1950's, in New York pop artist Claes Oldenberg (husband of Coosjie Van Bruggen, that name just kills me), and a group of 2nd generation avant-gardists were reacting against abstract expressionism. The didn't like people like Clement Greenberg who insisted on labelling anything that didn't set itself apart from pop culture, kitsch, so this is about when genres like pop art and conceptualism, which were intent on erasing the boundaries between high and low art, and all the elitism that resulted, began. Artists such as Jasper Johns, Andy warhol, Claes Oldenburg, and Robert Rauschenburg were interested in combining pop culture with "high" art. In 1960-61, Oldenburg reented out a storefront in New York and staged an environmental work called "The Store." It utilized commonly available commercial products and advertising imagery. It had its origins in objects and reliefs based on everyday items such as food and advertisements. Basically, he filled the space with a bunch of big burlap and paper mache banaas, slices of cake, and catsup bottles. In keeping with his generations nostalgia for the 1st avent garde, he wrote a manifesto for The Store. This manifesto was highly ironi becaused it was in reference to a work that was a direct parody of commencial culture, not a means of transcending it. Anyway, here's how Oldenburg's 1960 manifesto went, and I think this is where Ferry got his idea (note the "blue-collar" undertones): I am for an at that is political-erotical-mystical, that does something other than sit on its ass in a museum I am for an art that grows up on knowing it is art at all, an art given the chance of having a starting point of zero I am for an art that embroils itself with the everyday crap and still come out on top I am for an art that imitates the human, that is comic, if necessary, or violent, or whatever is necessary I am for an art that takes its form from the lines of life itself, that twists and extends and accumulates the spits and drips, and is heavy and coarse and blunt and sweet and stupid as life itself I am for an artist who vanishes, turning up in a white cap painting signs or hallways I am for an art that spills out of an old man's purse when he is bounced off a passing fender I am for the art out of a doggy's mouth, falling five stories off the roof I am for an art that a kid licks, after peeling off the wrapper I am for an art that joggles like everyone's knees, when the bus traverses an excavation I am for an art that is smoked, like a cigarette, smells, like a pair of shoes I am for an art that flaps like a flag, or helps blow noses, like a handkerchief I am for an art that is put on and taken off, like pants, which develops holes, like socks, which is eaten, like a piece of pie, or abandoned with great contempt, like a piece of shit. [and so on and so on...I'll type in the rest if anyone wants to read it] Shalom, Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 99 20:44:18 UT From: "Robert Fedder" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: North sea jazz festival Richard wrote: Anyone else aiming to go to the North Sea festival instead of Montreux? Me. What's the Ronnie Scott's phone number (sorry, just being lazy), Robert - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 99 20:50:23 UT From: "Robert Fedder" Subject: FW: [AVALON] Q magazine June issue + Urgent Request Andy wrote: Or has Q been surfing and stumbled across one of those hoax album covers??? I often wondered where some of these mags got their stuff from. The coincidence of the tracks is too much. They've either fallen victim to the hoax - or my original double bluff theory is right. I still can't believe that the only thing BF will release this year is Dance with (Bloody Awful) Life. Robert PS Where have people booked their Hague tickets from - please post a number so I can book!!! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:00:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: [AVALON] my manifesto posting Forgive me for my terribly written posting on "Manifesto." I have a really crappy, slow email connection, which means that generally when my writing finally appears on the screen, I am too frustrated to go back and check it over. Anyway, in that "Manifesto" message, you might just want to start reading at the paragraph which starts, "In 1960-61." Shalom, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:34:13 -0400 From: Tim Kendrick Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Manifesto" > Heather, > [and so on and so on...I'll type in the rest if anyone wants to read it] > I wouldn't want your typing fingers worn to the bone, but I'd certainly like to read the rest of this Manifesto. I'm fairly familiar with the early surrealists and their manifestos, but this is new to me. Tim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:42:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Manifesto" On Sun, 16 May 1999, Tim Kendrick wrote: > > > > Heather, > > > > [and so on and so on...I'll type in the rest if anyone wants to read it] > > > > I wouldn't want your typing fingers worn to the bone, but I'd > certainly like to read the rest of this Manifesto. I'm fairly > familiar with the early surrealists and their manifestos, but > this is new to me. > > Tim > Sure, I'll try to get it typed in by tomorrow. And if you're interested in a great book which dcumentts all these "isms" and their manifestos, I suggest, "Art in Theory, 1900-1990" by Charles Harrison (my conceptual art history prof). It's fascinating. Shalom, Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:41:35 +0100 From: "Richard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: North sea jazz festival Ronnie Scott's box office : 0171 439 0747 Open weekdays 11.00 a.m. - 6.00 p.m. Good luck!! Richard - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Fedder To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 9:57 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: North sea jazz festival >Richard wrote: > > >Anyone else aiming to go to the North Sea festival instead of Montreux? > >Me. What's the Ronnie Scott's phone number (sorry, just being lazy), >Robert > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #150 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest