From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #139 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, May 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 139 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Sonnet No 18 ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 ["Heather D." ] Re: [AVALON] let's get to know each other... (fwd) [Tim Kendrick ] [AVALON] Hello everyone. [Jeffry ] RE: [AVALON] Re: What is your favourite Roxy album? ["Robert Fedder" ] [AVALON] Hello everyone. [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] WARNING [jspellman ] [AVALON] Message for Don Becker [Mark Sturdy ] Re: [AVALON] let's get to know each other... (fwd) [Heather Marie Propes ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 [Heather Marie Propes ] [AVALON] Lineup history? [Mark Sturdy ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 [Heather Marie Propes ] [AVALON] Preference Snapshot ["Killip family" ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Vox thread ["Will" ] Re: [AVALON] Lineup History [JFROXY@aol.com] [AVALON] Salvador Maida ["Killip family" ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 ["Heather D." ] Re: [AVALON] Sonnet No 18 [Tim Kendrick ] Re: [AVALON] Salvador Maida [Jim Spellman ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:52:25 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sonnet No 18 >In a message dated 04/05/99 19:05:07 GMT, you write: > ><< > In fact John, Bryan was desperate to get on that Diana tribute album. > According to the Sunday Times he sent in a demo tape as soon as the project > was announced. So he was one of the few people that wasn't actually asked > to appear on that album. >> > >Does this meen that the track was a plan of his prior to Diana's death??? > >J.O'B. Not unless Bryan was in that mysterious white Renault on the Paris Peripherique that fateful night. There have been, however, a number of media threads linking Diana and Ferry. Not romantically of course. Their sons attend the same school and - help me here - are of not dissimilar age. I've certainly read that Di, and Charles, professed to liking Ferrys work circa Avalon / Boys And Girls, requesting numbers at balls etc. There's one link that doesn't necessarily help us but is worth repeating : Shortly after his energetic live performance of The Right Stuff on Leno a distinctly shiny Bry joins Jay for a chat. The usual mutters are made about "studio work" and how great it is to be back in front of an audience, (and the obligatory noises about the next album should be out in a year - oh my tortured heart !) and then The Jaw leans across, smirking... "Hey Bryan, I read something in the papers about you, I don't know if its true.. Bry : "Probably not," Leno : "..but Lady Di's been looking at your house.." Bry " ..Ha Ha, yeah I read that.. ha ha (Wipes brow, sniffs, grins,) ..its a very nice house but its not for sale.." Leno : "Yeah but while she's 'round can't you get to know her a bit .." (Smirk, smirk.) Bry : (Looks sheepish, lost for words, raises hands) "Well perhaps you'd better ask my wife about that.." Finally, some conjecture. The Deification of Diana has been done to death, so I won't waste time with the whys and wherefores here. Except to say that despite - or perhaps because of - her dysfunctional upbringing / marriage there remained a fairy tale quality about her, an other-worldness that would have appealed to Bryan. (I know one side of her was the dumb shopaholic, etc.) A lot of his work since, say, F&B, has had a mystical quality, the pursuit of beauty in a parallel universe. In this sense it is not such a leap of the imagination to envisage Bryan employing the weeping Princess as an icon, a muse for his work, much as he has with Jerry, Garbo etc. And certainly the aftermath of her death - I went to Kensington Gardens and saw the millions of bouquets accidentally forming a giant cross - would have moved Bryan. Avalon itself, of course, was a burial site for a mythical King. I can come to no other conclusion than that his desire to record English literature's foremost paean to love, Sonnet Number 18, reflected his love for her. Crazy love perhaps. But love all the same. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:53:55 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry tour with Trower boots > Hi John, thanks for the info, I will be going to the big record fare in > Glasgow at the end of this month, so I will keep an eye out for it. > cheers JF. > >> > >Why don't we meet up at the above event > >John O'Brien I can smell a convention ! Can you tell us a little about these fares ? Are there specifically BF/RM specialists or do you have to hunt through racks of Dark Side Of The Moon ....? And how do you find out about when they're hitting town ? Enlighten me. Regards Martin - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:54:02 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Russian website I mailed Andrew Polyakov and asked him to join, see below. Only problem : Ive forgotten how to join the list ! Can someone remind me or mail Andrew directly..... M >Hi Martin! > >Thanks for your action. I shall glad inputed in your mailing list. >You say about some deatils... Yes, tell me about, pls. > >Andrew. > >Martin Stockman wrote: > >> Dear Andrew >> >> Its time you joined our Avalon list. You will find a group of about 100 >> Ferry fanatics who are witty, charming and intelligent. It costs nothing. >> Mail me back if you want deatils >> >> Martin > >-- >‘ §Ìõݨˆ¿¨¶ ¿ ˆõ¿ë§Ûÿ¿¶¿ å¾Ý¨ëõˆ¿ú¶¿, >üˆÓÔ¨ª ´. À¾ëú¹¾Ì > >-------------------------------------- >mailto:webmaster@whitewind.ru >phone/fax: (7-095) 921-93-09 > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:53:32 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Educating Children Victor and Dawn gave us entertaining insights into the musical predilections of their infants. My (nearly) 4 year old girl, Rachael, seemingly randomly hooks into different songs. "Trash" by Suede, not Roxy, was an early chart-topper with my little girl. And peer pressure leads us inexorably to All Saints and Spice Girls, (maybe Ive truly lost the plot but I dont find these girl bands too offensive.) I was distressed when Racheal went through her wailing Canadian chanteuse phase (Thank You by Morrissey's sister Alanis) and delighted when Bwyan Fairee's Its My Party was requested 8 times before breakfast. I have tenderly placed the cover shot of "Foolish Things" on the notice board above her bed for that all-important subliminal indoctrination ! I am under no illusion that the appartment will soon rock to her own soundtrack - Drum and Bass, Opera, who knows - but I have a hunch that she'll always have a soft spot for our floppy-haired slave to love. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:38:41 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: [AVALON] Foxx John Colquhoun wrote: >Ultravox did stuff from their first 2 albums plus unreleased material from >Systems of Romance......the highlight was an encore of King's Lead >Hat..which was awesome........Foxx was / is charismatic So what happened to him? Is he an accountant or office manager or something, or still knocking out spooky electro-pop? I still have some of his old solo tracks on a knackered old tape that a friend put together in the 80s. Foxx's songs always stood out from the rest of the stuff on that tape, so I meant to get Foxx's albums but never got around to it. Is he still recording? (Have his album covers improved?) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 05:42:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 On Wed, 5 May 1999, Heather Marie Propes wrote: [...] > something really amazing about European youth culture of the 1970's > and 80's that > I really can't put my finger on. I guess it's because they were in the > middle of all those changing political regimes, but it seems like they > always had really meaningful stuff to write about. I'm babbling. Sorry. "but"? Isn't that the context--if not the catalyst--for the "really meaningful stuff"? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 08:14:19 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Russian website I wonder what ever happened to our other Russian comrade, Maria? (IPMARIA@REDLINE.RU) She`s still subscribed to the list but has been silent for some time. - -----Original Message----- From: Martin Stockman To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Russian website >I mailed Andrew Polyakov and asked him to join, see below. Only problem : >Ive forgotten how to join the list ! Can someone remind me or mail Andrew >directly..... > >M > >>Hi Martin! >> >>Thanks for your action. I shall glad inputed in your mailing list. >>You say about some deatils... Yes, tell me about, pls. >> >>Andrew. >> >>Martin Stockman wrote: >> >>> Dear Andrew >>> >>> Its time you joined our Avalon list. You will find a group of about 100 >>> Ferry fanatics who are witty, charming and intelligent. It costs nothing. >>> Mail me back if you want deatils >>> >>> Martin >> >>-- >>‘ §Ìõݨˆ¿¨¶ ¿ ˆõ¿ë§Ûÿ¿¶¿ å¾Ý¨ëõˆ¿ú¶¿, >>üˆÓÔ¨ª ´. À¾ëú¹¾Ì >> >>-------------------------------------- >>mailto:webmaster@whitewind.ru >>phone/fax: (7-095) 921-93-09 >> > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 06:38:14 PDT From: "Heather D." Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 Yeah! I got lucky enough one day to find their Ep "Baby" at the local Salvation Army(you never know what you'll find)...and was just amazed by it. One time I also saw Foxx-era Ultravox Lp there, I think it was "Ha Ha Ha" and The Damned's "Everything" both there. Naturally I was completely broke. The next time I went they were both gone, but was lucky to get a Romeo Void album though. Well enough of my woeing. Truly, Heather >"Oh My Janitor" Suburban LAwns? I have that single! > >Ciao, > >http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop > >Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > > > >On Wed, 5 May 1999, Heather D. wrote: > > > Greetings! These are words that speak to my heart! And the odd thing is >I > > just finished a book involving Nico. Fascinating woman. > > Anyone heard of Suburban Lawns? Oh well, good day. > > > > Truly, > > > > HD > > > > > > > > > > > >And Blondie is awesome too. I love her whole "Nico meets playboy bunny" > > >image. She could have taught any of today's waifs a thing or too! >Kicki? > > > > > >tomorrow - eulogies for Gang of Four and Momus. > > > > > >Ciao! > > > > > >http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop > > > > > >Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, 4 May 1999, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > > > > > > > When we're talking about 82-83 - nobody has mentioned Blancmange >yet. > > > > Martinique? > > > > During my au pair in London I sometimes rubbed shoulders with them >at > > >The > > > > Palace. *LOL* > > > > > > > > /Kicki G > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 > > > > http://www.op.se > > > > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------- > > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > >unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:01:50 -0400 From: Tim Kendrick Subject: Re: [AVALON] let's get to know each other... (fwd) > So I guess what I am trying to say is...don't forget the classics.. Good point, Dawn. And it gives me a chance to bleat about a couple of classical pieces which I adore and which I'm sure people on this list would be pretty overwhelmed by! First of all, there's Delius. Lots of people here will know the Kate Bush song about him, and will have seen Ken Russell's exquisite TV movie SONG OF SUMMER, about his last years, his body ruined by syphilis. His detestation of religion means he is one of the very, very few composers whose oeuvre is entirely secular in theme: songs and music about emotional response to natural things ( He doesn't DESCRIBE them, but RESPONDS to them) and about love and sex, particularly lost love. ( Sound familiar?) Try SEA DRIFT, a setting of Whitman with a ' sound universe' melding a solo singer, an orchestra, and a large chorus in a quite unique way. Give it a try. Or anything else by him. And then there's Britten, the most prominent English composer since Purcell 300 years before. Britten's body of work, unlike Delius', is quite large for a 20th century composer, and encompasses everything from Opera, including PETER GRIMES, an undisputed world masterpiece, to chamber music, to cabaret songs ( they cropped up in FOUR WEDDINGS.) He lived with his lover, the singer Peter Pears, from the mid-thirties, and after that the majority of his work was written with the boyfriend in mind. There's an absolutely incredible CD available, mid-price too, on Decca/London, called SERENADE/LES ILLUMINATIONS/NOCTURNE which contains these three unbelievable song cycles. ILLUMINATIONS is a setting of Rimbaud, SERENADE ( familiar?) a collection of poems about night, and NOCTURNE ( also familiar?) about sleep. They are all dark and beautiful and unmissable, and these versions, all by Pears, are probably still the best, though there's a singer called Philip Langridge who is at the moment recording copious amounts of Britten for Collins Classics, and he's a very good modern alternative choice. So there! T. K. > > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:13:53 -0400 From: Tim Kendrick Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sonnet No 18 > I can come to no other conclusion than that his desire to record > English literature's foremost paean to love, Sonnet Number 18, reflected his > love for her. Crazy love perhaps. But love all the same. > Yes, but there is also a comic and terrible irony to this : The Shakespeare sonnet is dedicated to a completely anonymous lover, and it actually aggrandises the poet's genius rather than the dark lady. Think about the last line: ...this gives life to thee. This, the poem, gives you life. In other words, it is only because I, the poet, have written such a great poem that you have any immortal significance at all. Cursory readers of the Sonnets often mistake them for gushy, generous love poems. They are far more brilliant than that, and far more waspish. So Bryan has chosen a poem to an unknown - and unimportant, only the poem itself is important - person to commemorate the life of the most famous woman in the world. I don't think anyone has pointed out that this is Bryan's most ironic performance yet! T. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:09:24 -0700 From: Jeffry Subject: [AVALON] Hello everyone. Hi! I'm yet another guy from Russia who likes Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music, and very much. Accidentally I have also come across Mr. Poliakov's site, well, it's quite nice. Now it's clear how Pasi Tolvo managed to get russian black copie of Taxi+Boys and Girls. Although it's not my business anyway. I will really appreciate if anybody gives me a hint, I've been searching for "The Archive and Live Collection Vol. I-III" for a very long time but failed to find any trace. Where and how can I get it? It is not possible to order ANY of Bryan's singles from Germany where I currently live. But here they are selling last four albums and some Roxy (Flesh&Blood, Avalon, Heart Still Beating) at a fair price of DM 14.99 each (appr. $8), only God knows why. And yes, I know the question was answered a million times before but anyway, rumour has it the new album was sceduled for release an April/May 99, and still there's nothing. Does anybody knows the last news about it? Sorry for my english, it's no good. K. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 99 11:18:57 UT From: "Robert Fedder" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: What is your favourite Roxy album? Here goes: Preference snapshot as at 6/5/99: 1. For your Pleasure 2. Roxy Music 3. Stranded 4. Country Life 5. Avalon 6. Manifesto 7. Siren 8.Flesh & Blood But then again, tomorrow the order will have changed (except FYP will always be at the top) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 99 11:32:08 UT From: "Robert Fedder" Subject: FW: [AVALON] "Spin Me Round" I was surfing through that Russian guy's Roxy site and saw that he had lyrics posted- (even the elusive lyrics to "Nocturne" :) Say what? I thought these were scat vocals. Tell me more... Robert - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:48:24 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Hello everyone. At 01.09 +0200 99-05-07, Jeffry wrote: >But here they are selling last four albums and >some Roxy (Flesh&Blood, Avalon, Heart Still Beating) at a fair price of >DM 14.99 each (appr. $8), only God knows why. And yes, I know the >question was answered a million times before but anyway, rumour has it >the new album was sceduled for release an April/May 99, and still >there's nothing. Does anybody knows the last news about it? >Sorry for my english, it's no good. Welcome to the list Jeffry. Several of us, incl me, are writing in a language that is not our native. Your English is better then my German or Russian for that matter, and do not apologise for it. Why do you live in Germany? No real info in a Roxy album that I know of. Daniel Daniel Atterbom *************** "God has blessed the world with Curtis Mayfield; now Mayfield has blessed us with New World Order." Danny Kelly reviewing one of the best and most positive CD's of the 90's, from a man paralysed from the neck down, in Q Magazine Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare. This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for publication or re-distribution without my written permission. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:46:30 -0400 From: jspellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] WARNING JVapor7@aol.com wrote: > Coming Soon > James Vapor's > MANIFESTO > final emission > > **The Original Is Still The Greatest** > This is great news! Spring is here and Jimmy Vapor is back for the last time...again. I anxiously await. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:00:56 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Sturdy Subject: [AVALON] Message for Don Becker Don, Sorry to contact you via the list, but I've lost your private email address . . . did you get the tape etc? Drop me a line and let me know. I shall go now, for I am Mark Sturdy. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:53:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] let's get to know each other... (fwd) Good point Dawne, that is truly amazing about his piano-playing ability. You should tape it! And both yours and Victor's stories reminded me that of course, you've got to expose your kids to good music and culture, if you want them to know what's good in the future, which I definitely want to do, so Ella, Sinatra, Bowie, Ferry, Gershwin, Tchaikovsky, Carmina Burana, Human League, Gang of Four, and TV2 will all by on my list of stuff to play while I'm pregnant, not to mention "If There Is Something." I want them to hear it before they're 23, unlike me. Ciao! http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Wed, 5 May 1999, dawndalion wrote: > Well, I gotta throw my two cents in on this 'kid thing' and music > exposure..... Both of my kids have listened to music that I have in the > CD player, from the Doors, to Tom Petty, Ella Fitzgerald, to Frank > Sinatra, to Miles...of course they know 'Bwyan Fair-wee' very > well....but also lotsa classical music.... My son was 26 months old when > he taught himself (honest!!!) how to play Beethoven's Ode to Joy, at > least with one hand on the piano!! I was amazed. He has now taken it to > other octaves and played it in a minor key..he 'know's what is > harmonious and what it dissonant....They both have had constant exposure > to beautiful and melodious music all their lives...even welcomed into > this world with Mozart. > > So I guess what I am trying to say is...don't forget the classics.. > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:00:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 I would imagine it to be pretty rare. They were a much-talked about band in the So. Cal. scene that kind of disappeared after the early 80's. Is "Baby" any good? That is terrible, especially about the Ultravox album. I would have probably stolen it. Well maybe not, but I would have thought about it. Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Thu, 6 May 1999, Heather D. wrote: > Yeah! I got lucky enough one day to find their Ep "Baby" at the local > Salvation Army(you never know what you'll find)...and was just amazed by it. > One time I also saw Foxx-era Ultravox Lp there, I think it was "Ha Ha Ha" > and The Damned's "Everything" both there. Naturally I was completely broke. > The next time I went they were both gone, but was lucky to get a Romeo Void > album though. Well enough of my woeing. > > Truly, > > Heather > > > > >"Oh My Janitor" Suburban LAwns? I have that single! > > > >Ciao, > > > >http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop > > > >Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > > > > > > > >On Wed, 5 May 1999, Heather D. wrote: > > > > > Greetings! These are words that speak to my heart! And the odd thing is > >I > > > just finished a book involving Nico. Fascinating woman. > > > Anyone heard of Suburban Lawns? Oh well, good day. > > > > > > Truly, > > > > > > HD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And Blondie is awesome too. I love her whole "Nico meets playboy bunny" > > > >image. She could have taught any of today's waifs a thing or too! > >Kicki? > > > > > > > >tomorrow - eulogies for Gang of Four and Momus. > > > > > > > >Ciao! > > > > > > > >http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop > > > > > > > >Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, 4 May 1999, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > > > > > > > > > When we're talking about 82-83 - nobody has mentioned Blancmange > >yet. > > > > > Martinique? > > > > > During my au pair in London I sometimes rubbed shoulders with them > >at > > > >The > > > > > Palace. *LOL* > > > > > > > > > > /Kicki G > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 > > > > > http://www.op.se > > > > > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------- > > > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > >unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------- > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:04:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 You're right of course, the "but" was definitely misplaced, and of course the political and social climates were the contexts/catalysts for the culture, as usual. I try to convince myself this isn't true because I'm very idealistic about the way society should be run, but interesting culture rarely happens when things are just "nice." Anyone beg to differ? Ciao, heather On Thu, 6 May 1999, Colleen Matan wrote: > > > > On Wed, 5 May 1999, Heather Marie Propes wrote: > > [...] > > something really amazing about European youth culture of the 1970's > > and 80's that > > I really can't put my finger on. I guess it's because they were in the > > middle of all those changing political regimes, but it seems like they > > always had really meaningful stuff to write about. I'm babbling. Sorry. > > "but"? Isn't that the context--if not the catalyst--for the "really > meaningful stuff"? > > > Colleen > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 11:04:32 PDT From: "Heather D." Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 Greetings! Yes, it seems like Suburban Lawns are one of those really good, obscure bands that only a handful have heard about. "Baby" is really good, quite...erm...different(over used word, but it fits here). That is in a good way. It is probably some of the most interesting and enjoyable music I've heard in the past ten years. I'm not sure if anything of SL is available on legal cd format, except there is a Rhino compilation with the track, "Gidget Goes to Hell" on it. (Just Can't Get Enough, is the series) Thanks for the sympathy about the Ultravox, but have made up for it with a recent Ebay find (when your a big music fan, eBay can be your friend and enemy). Good day to all. Truly, HD _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 19:29:32 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Mark Sturdy Subject: [AVALON] Lineup history? Following the recent discussions of various Roxy bassists and drummers, does anyone feel up to the task of compiling a complete history of all the various lineups? Pete Frame started the job in his Family Trees book, but that only goes up to '79 and doubtless contains errors. So, anyone...? Mark "You really are the most ridiculous individual I've ever come across" - M. Beal, April 1999 - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:46:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 Wow, what exactly was it that you found? Another band that I would place roughly in the same category with SL would be The Waitresses, same early-80's early-kitschy sort of new wave sound. Reminds me of Square PEgs. Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Thu, 6 May 1999, Heather D. wrote: > Greetings! Yes, it seems like Suburban Lawns are one of those really good, > obscure bands that only a handful have heard about. "Baby" is really good, > quite...erm...different(over used word, but it fits here). That is in a good > way. It is probably some of the most interesting and enjoyable music I've > heard in the past ten years. I'm not sure if anything of SL is available on > legal cd format, except there is a Rhino compilation with the track, "Gidget > Goes to Hell" on it. (Just Can't Get Enough, is the series) > Thanks for the sympathy about the Ultravox, but have made up for it with a > recent Ebay find (when your a big music fan, eBay can be your friend and > enemy). Good day to all. > > Truly, > > HD > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:03:10 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry tour with Trower boots In a message dated 06/05/99 09:45:14 GMT, you write: << Can you tell us a little about these fares ? Are there specifically BF/RM specialists or do you have to hunt through racks of Dark Side Of The Moon ....? And how do you find out about when they're hitting town ? Enlighten me. >> VIP are the company who organise the large fares. Tel. 0116 2244300 e-mail vipevents.co.uk The larger fares would have some stalls with a section on Roxy, the smaller fares might have just the usual non rare / bog standard releases. I have been going to small fares in Inverness for years and some of the vendors can get a hold of the stuff that I collect and if they see something they bring it for me. At the huge fare in Glasgow, I ask "do you have any rare Roxy Music stuff "at each stall for 2 reasons , 1 to save me wasting time going through boxes of stuff I can buy in Woolworths and 2, if they hear the question being asked regularly then they know what to bring to which fares. I have given some dealers wants list etc and write on which fares I go to, this helps too. Hope this helps John O'B. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:10:50 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] let's get to know each other... (fwd) >And then there's Britten, the most prominent English composer since >Purcell 300 years before. Britten is to die for. Just today I copied three of his Five Flower Songs on the office copymachine (yes, I know that you shouldn't do that with sheet music, but sometimes I'm a rebel). "First April she with mellow showers, opens the way for early flowers, for early flowers..." (all sung with my first soprano-voice). Superb! /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:19:17 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sonnet No 18 Tim wrote: >Yes, but there is also a comic and terrible irony to this : The >Shakespeare sonnet is dedicated to a completely anonymous lover, >and it actually aggrandises the poet's genius rather than the >dark lady. That lover is not so anonymous after all. The major part of the sonnets are belived to be dedicated to Henry Wriothesley, The Earl of Southampton. He was ten years younger that Shakespeare and probably only 16 or 17 when they met. /Kicki G - who has just read a book about Shakespeare - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 20:29:00 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: [AVALON] Preference Snapshot Congratulations Robert Fedder......you have correctly guessed the exact sequence of my Roxy album preferences for today! Uncanny! (Saved me some keyboard time too) Your prize is to be allowed to guess Martin Stockman's preference for Manzanera solos as it will be on Monday next, 10 May. David Killip CPL 593H - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 20:21:44 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: [AVALON] Lineup History Mark Sturdy has offered a challenge with his line-up history idea...I'm not sure I'll take the challenge yet, but.....I have the Pete Frame family tree (somewhere in the chaos) and I don't recall any errors, however it's a good place to start and, as mark points out, it lacks post '79 detail. Also can anyone shed light on this one; one of the bassists credited on "Viva" is Sal Maida, the Stump book makes several references to Sal Madia. You would think that the album cover would be correct, but which spelling is the right one? Who was Sal? What else did he record? Answers on an e-post card please. David Killip CPL 593H - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:45:05 -0500 From: "Will" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Vox thread Yeah I thought I had that on an EP and now I know I do. Thanks. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Colquhoun To: Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Vox thread > > I saw Ultravox with John Foxx in Toronto at the EDGE(legendary club ....a > converted home.....capacity couldn't be much more than 300.......this was > the club where the Police played on their 1st North American Tour > > Ultravox did stuff from their first 2 albums plus unreleased material from > Systems of Romance......the highlight was an encore of King's Lead > Hat..which was awesome........Foxx was / is charismatic > > JC > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:20:37 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lineup History In a message dated 06/05/99 08:37:22 GMT Daylight Time, killip.family@advsys.co.uk writes: << Who was Sal? What else did he record? >> Hi David, Salvador Maida, who was American, played on the "Stranded" tour with Roxy, but he never appeared on any studio album, only "Viva!" From whenst he came I do not know, but after leaving Roxy he was in a short lived band called "Milk n Cookies". Regards JF. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:11:25 +0100 From: "Killip family" Subject: [AVALON] Salvador Maida JF Thanks for the Sal(vador) Maida info. (So the Stump spelling was wrong!). Milk n' Cookies eh? If they toured with Bread and The Jam they could have a real picnic....sorry, that's an unforgivably bad joke. David K CPL 593H - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:36:01 PDT From: "Heather D." Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 Well, its a band called EBN-OZN, whom only released one album, "Feeling Cavalier"..and their best known track was "aeiou sometimes y", which when I first heard it, I hated it, but it grew on me and the more I listened to it, the more I noticed the sinister undertones hidden underneath the tracks of macho bravodo..esp. after reading the lyrics to the long version. Of course that's just me :) The Waitresses are a really good example, a fun and still interesting group, it's amazing how eclectic the early 80's were from Waitresses to Bauhaus, from Kate Bush to Pete Shelley, etc... Truly, HD _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:57:42 -0400 From: Tim Kendrick Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sonnet No 18 Yes, most of the sonnets are believed to be dedicated to the man in question, but a number of them - the early ones, I think, are believed to have been written to a woman. She's known only as the Dark Lady. I'm (fairly) sure ' shall I compare thee...' is a dark lady sonnet. Love, T. >Tim wrote: > >Yes, but there is also a comic and terrible irony to this : The > >Shakespeare sonnet is dedicated to a completely anonymous lover, > >and it actually aggrandises the poet's genius rather than the > >dark lady. > > That lover is not so anonymous after all. The major part of the sonnets are > belived to be dedicated to Henry Wriothesley, The Earl of Southampton. He > was ten years younger that Shakespeare and probably only 16 or 17 when they > met. > > /Kicki G - who has just read a book about Shakespeare > > --------------------------- > Kicki Gustafsson > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG > kicki.gustafsson@op.se > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:43:36 -0400 From: Jim Spellman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Salvador Maida Killip family wrote: > JF > > Thanks for the Sal(vador) Maida info. (So the Stump spelling was wrong!). > Milk n' Cookies eh? If they toured with Bread and The Jam they could have a > real picnic....sorry, that's an unforgivably bad joke. > > David K > CPL 593H > Picnic? You must be thinking of Sal Manila. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #139 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest