From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #136 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, May 4 1999 Volume 04 : Number 136 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] let's get to know each other... ["Martin Stockman" ] [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 [Jim Donato ] [AVALON] windswept ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] Bits and pieces [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] windswept [Heather Marie Propes ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 ["Will" ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] windswept ["Will" ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 ["Martin Stockman" ] [AVALON] Chris Thomas ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Pictures ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] Sonnet No 18 ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Pictures ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Pictures [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Sonnet No 18 [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Website [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Warm Love [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Website [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] Website [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Website [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] Warm Love [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Website [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 [Heather Marie Propes ] Re: [AVALON] Website ["Han Snijders" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Pictures ["Han Snijders" ] [AVALON] Class of 77-83 [Helchat@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:04:32 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] let's get to know each other... I enjoyed Heather's tale of teenage kicks in Southern California. A frequent thread of conversation at the bourgeois dinner parties that I presently attend in North London is the mystery of "why isn't music as good as it used to be." I side with the theory that when one was at college, or of that age, one had so much time - and inclination - to explore music, to actually get into bands. And the faith that the next group you were introduced to would be the one. My university years coincided with the magnesium flare of punk, and the sweeping away of the pretentious, faux progressive stadium rockers (ELP, Yes, Genesis and so forth.) More through luck than judgment I found myself in the eye of the storm. Going to the Chalk Farm Roundhouse in the summer of 76, (I was 18,) to see Bowie¹s backing band The Spiders From Mars I was very taken with a rockabilly support act called The 101ers, fronted by a guy called Joe Strummer. NME also liked them and mentioned, en passent, that a guy called Johnny Rotten had been ejected during the Spiders set. This carrot haired, green-toothed leprechaun was to dominate my life for the next year, momentarily surpassing Le Ferrari in my pantheon of heroes. It is no exaggeration to say that I, with two schoolmates, witnessed the birth of punk. We saw the Pistol¹s second gig at the 100 Club in Oxford Street and were dazzled by the energy, power and thrill of it all. I can report that it was tabloid tosh to suggest that this was a guttural working class movement. No, the seminal Punk crowd was peopled by middle-class art college types. I saw the same faces wearing GI outfits on the Siren tour. There was the same sense of dressing-up that was so central to following Roxy. And I got the same buzz from ³Submission², for example, as I did from ³Both Ends Burning.² Of course the sociologists and the gutter press spoiled the party. The fun dried up. The likes of The Clash started to wear the same earnest expressions of the hippies that they purported to hate. Punk segued into New Wave, a ghastly, humourless East Coast makeover of our scene. Television were cool, and sounded okay, and, crucially, provided the bewildered hippies in the rock press with a student-friendly alternative to the outre, bondage-styled, garden-shear barbered, heroes of punk. Just as the likes of Bob Harris disowned any programme he presented with Roxy on the bill in 72/73, now the postpunk musoes were relieved to embrace the technical proficiency of the New Wave (excuse me while I puke) artists. Still we have the vinyl memories. X Ray Specs, Subway Sect, The Buzzcocks, Wreckless Eric, The Undertones, and, of course, the Pistols made life fun and exciting for a while. Then Bryan released the single ³Sign Of The Times² and my heart swung back to his chilled perfection. I had played away for the last time.... pip pip Martino - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:14:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] The nineties Gang of Four, definitely! But don't forget the Stranglers! I guess that now, in retrospect, I agree that things did get kinda plastic after '82, but hey, I was 12 then so all I could think of was Simon Le Bon. Now, I still own most of my post '82 stuff on album (yes, I own various Duran Duran, Gene Loves Jezebel, and Wham, God knows why), but after reaching maturity, I started picking up the '70-'82 stuff used, and can say without a doubt that I'd rather listen to Gang of Four (another all time fave) or Lene Lovich or Laurie Anderson's Big Science, or Brian Eno's Here Come The Warm Jets or anything by The Fall or the Stranglers before Total Coelo anyday, so I guess I've matured. Oh, and in case anyone wonders - I had another encounter with my preppy punk Camaro boyfriend about 7 years later. He had renounced pop music for "new country" and ended up selling me all his discs. I got all his Bauhaus, David J, New Order, Virgin Prunes etc. for $50! Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jim Spellman wrote: > Victor Hastings wrote: > > > those 5 years were my college years and that was when my musical taste > > 'came of age.' after being raised on AM trifles like 'american pie' and > > the like i discovered most of the groups you mentioned above (plus a few > > you didn't mention, like human league, gang of four, nick lowe and the > > rockpile/brinsley schwartz mob. > > > > i guess i've become and old fart, because with a few exceptions (gin > > blossoms, smashing pumpkins) i've given up on these ... newfangled > > groups. > > > > -------------------- > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > V, I loved Nick Lowe as well, Dave Edmunds too. I forgot > Eddie Money, Pablo Cruise, Gino Vanelli, > Hall&Oats, Cars, Talking Heads,English Beat > It was a very good time, I thought it would go on forever... > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:18:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] The nineties And of course, we can't forget the other nu-ro bands, Spandau Ballet or Adam and the Ants! http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Mon, 3 May 1999, Jim Spellman wrote: > Eddie Money, Pablo Cruise, Gino Vanelli, > Hall&Oats, Cars, Talking Heads,English Beat > It was a very good time, I thought it would go on forever... > > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:50:38 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] The nineties > >V, I loved Nick Lowe as well, Dave Edmunds too. I forgot >Eddie Money, Pablo Cruise, Gino Vanelli, >Hall&Oats, Cars, Talking Heads,English Beat >It was a very good time, I thought it would go on forever... I was very much into Talking Heads. Quoted their lyrics in my diary all the time... A Great Band! I also loved The B-52-s. Their wigs were intriguing. /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:52:47 -0400 From: Jim Donato Subject: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 I can only echo the thoughts of Mr. Spellman. The 77-83 period is so rich with music I thought I'd choke on it! The musical heart-lung machine kept the corpse animated for another 2 years or so but by 1985 it was the end. Punk [76-77] begat New Wave [78-81], New Music [82-84], Progressive [85-88], etc. until we now have a post-modern sampling culture feasting on its own remains. Drowning in hipster irony. Digital sampling technology, which seemed so promising in the hands of early adopters like Kate Bush or Peter Gabriel, has proven to be a dead-end road. Too many people bought the ubiquitous Yamaha DX-7s and were content to use the voices straight off of the modules; hence all the "plastic" sounds Jim Spellman decries. I loved keyboards best all of my life but the cheeze-whiz sounds of 84 and beyond can't touch the organic energy provided by more primitive, analog, synthesizers. I remember the good old days when only quirks touched them. When you popped on an early Human League record you could be assured of daring, new sounds made by non-musicians. The peak of synthetic excitement for me was the "Vienna" album by Ultravox. It's an album seething with energy. Excuse this old fart for ranting... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 07:19:41 PDT From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] windswept re: the corbin #9 ... i think bryan was either 'windswept' out to sea - or, that's him byt the palm in the forefront, legs buried in the sand, w/a leafy branch covering his torso ... chin barely sticking out from behind the tree ... favorite decade in terms of music? did i read that right? hard to say, but culturally, i suppose i'd agree more w/'77 - '84 maybe (?). i personally wasn't just so cool -- but this is the music i was into at the time: clash, devo, tom robinson band, rezillos, bowie, blondie, roxy/ferry, nick lowe, cheap trick, steel pulse, 3rd world, the police, yello, bauhaus, ramones, sparks, graham parker, peter gabriel, spandau ballet (yes ...), frankie gth, i was heavily into blue oyster cult also (when they were completely awesome, irrelevant unless you were into them), the cars, etc, et. al. anyway, it was fun! so, have we gone a full week w/out any really good hoaxes?! peaces/ms _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:57:52 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Bits and pieces At 23.51 +0200 99-04-30, Will wrote: > One of my ancestors was a famous 17th century Canadian poet, Louis Honore >Frechette. I'm not exactly how close a relation he is to me but when my dad >used to get drunk he spoke with a french accent. BTW you can look him up in >the encyclopedia also. I sure will. There's a tree at http://happyones.com/genealogy/lheureux/famous/louis_frechette_ancestors.html A nd David Killip, it's good to be on a first name basis. At 14.24 +0200 99-05-02, JObinv01@aol.com wrote: >I found a reference to an unreleased Bryan Ferry song called Warm Love while >browsing . Have you written the Swede that has the page, or shall I? Or has the mystery been solved? At 19.15 +0200 99-05-03, Decophile wrote: >Just wondering, has anyone been able to spot Ferry in #9? (ferry9.html) Isn't that him on ground to the left? :-) Daniel Daniel Atterbom *************** "God has blessed the world with Curtis Mayfield; now Mayfield has blessed us with New World Order." Danny Kelly reviewing one of the best and most positive CD's of the 90's, from a man paralysed from the neck down, in Q Magazine Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare. This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for publication or re-distribution without my written permission. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:02:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] windswept On Tue, 4 May 1999, mark shanahan wrote: > favorite decade in terms of music? did i read that right? hard to say, but > culturally, i suppose i'd agree more w/'77 - '84 maybe (?). i personally > wasn't just so cool -- but this is the music i was into at the time: clash, > devo, tom robinson band, rezillos, bowie, blondie, roxy/ferry, nick lowe, > cheap trick, steel pulse, 3rd world, the police, yello, bauhaus, ramones, > sparks, graham parker, peter gabriel, spandau ballet (yes ...), frankie gth, > i was heavily into blue oyster cult also (when they were completely awesome, > irrelevant unless you were into them), the cars, etc, et. al. anyway, it > was fun! > I remember when I was about 14 and me and my friend first discovered reggae. We put on hawaian shirts and walked around the Lakewood mall saying "Ja, mon." A week later we were back at the same maill in our leather jackets, saying "everybody knows that your mommy's a douchebag." Ciao, Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:27:14 -0500 From: "Will" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 Systems of Romance by them was a hot one too. Didn't they cover Kings Lead Hat by Eno on an EP, I'm sure I have it. I agree with most of whats been said here but I don't remember a great lul in likable music during any of the times thereafter, I think you might have had to look for it a little harder, but that's about it. There is, was, and probably always will be good sh** lurking everywhere, just waiting to be found. In fact let me remind you that the newly reformed King Crimson with Adrian belew and Tony Levin came out in '83 or '84 and Concrete Blonde (the only other band that I'm on a list for and had Paul Thompson as a member) had their first album in '84 and just between those 2 bands the load of 20-30 slacker bands was carried, maybe more. Stewart Copeland and Andy Sommers had some cool albums around then. That's also when New Age started and some of that wasn't bad (again if you got hooked up to the right stuff) and of course the best Roxy Music ever-Bryan Ferry recorded his finest stuff, Boys and Girls and Bete Noire. Aside from that you must consider the stuff that was cool then but in retrospect it's not cool now because it still filled the gaps and it was cool for the time, just not timeless. Will The peak of synthetic excitement > for me was the "Vienna" album by Ultravox. It's an album seething with > energy. Excuse this old fart for ranting... > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:33:46 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 When we're talking about 82-83 - nobody has mentioned Blancmange yet. Martinique? During my au pair in London I sometimes rubbed shoulders with them at The Palace. *LOL* /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:51:05 -0500 From: "Will" Subject: Re: [AVALON] windswept I believe that's "everybody knows your Momma's a douchbag" Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather Marie Propes > I remember when I was about 14 and me and my friend first discovered > reggae. We put on hawaian shirts and walked around the Lakewood mall > saying "Ja, mon." A week later we were back at the same maill in our > leather jackets, saying "everybody knows that your mommy's a douchebag." > > Ciao, > > Heather > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:36:17 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 - ---------- >From: Kicki Gustafsson >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 >Date: Tue, May 4, 1999, 5:33 pm > >When we're talking about 82-83 - nobody has mentioned Blancmange yet. >Martinique? >During my au pair in London I sometimes rubbed shoulders with them at The >Palace. *LOL* > >/Kicki G Good call Kinksta. I love Blancmange ; funky, clever, a cut above the new romantic scene. And their wonderful reworking of Abba's "The day before you came." I play football in the same league as the tall curly haired one (Neil ?) and he has marked me on a couple of occasions. When he swears at me its like a kiss. In the changing hut after a game at Battersea Park I was finally introduced to him. He was stark naked and all I could stammer was "This is huge for me." 22 footballers curled up in hysterics as I ran for the shower. Martinique - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:49:05 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Off topic Blancmange >---------- >>From: Kicki Gustafsson >>To: avalon@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 >>Date: Tue, May 4, 1999, 5:33 pm >> > >>When we're talking about 82-83 - nobody has mentioned Blancmange yet. >>Martinique? >>During my au pair in London I sometimes rubbed shoulders with them at The >>Palace. *LOL* >> >>/Kicki G > > >Good call Kinksta. I love Blancmange ; funky, clever, a cut above the new >romantic scene. And their wonderful reworking of Abba's "The day before you >came." I play football in the same league as the tall curly haired one (Neil >?) and he has marked me on a couple of occasions. When he swears at me its >like a kiss. In the changing hut after a game at Battersea Park I was >finally introduced to him. He was stark naked and all I could stammer was >"This is huge for me." 22 footballers curled up in hysterics as I ran for >the shower. > >Martinique It's too huge for me now! :-) I had to forward that information to my au pair-friend - I know she'll be moved to tears (just like me). Jesus, we're talking Neil Arthur here! *swoons* I remember getting a post card from my friend after I had returned to Sweden (she stayed on for a few months) with a very important message: "Shock! Horror! Neil Arthur has had his hair cut!". Disturbing news at the time... I haven't heard The day before you came with BM, but I remember hearing Neil A talking about the song on Radio One. The lyrics fascinated him. Ah well. Maybe I should try to get something done here at work? *swoosch* /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:53:03 PDT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] Chris Thomas The other day I came across an old book on record producers. So taking a flick through I found a chapter on Chris Thomas. Don't know if this is common knowledge but some amazing stuff came out of it. Chris, of course, first joined in the production of Roxy in 1973 on For Your Pleasure. He had already produced The Beatles, Pink Floyd, and Procul Harum (whom Robin Trower was part of). He stated that compared to these bands Roxy was a very fresh and energetic band. Quite an accolade that. He said that the band was a very democratic unit at that time. Ferry had wanted John Cale to produce For Your Pleasure but he was unavailable so Thomas got the invitation. When he returned for Stranded Thomas believed that Ferry was beginning to dominate the proceedings. Apparentally every song on Stranded was done by firstly constructing a backing track and than putting the vocal on top. Thomas thought Serenade would be a smash hit until the vocal was put on top. John Punter was drafted in to produce Country Life but there were a number of difficulties and Thomas had to complete the production work. He asked not to be credited on the album sleeve. Chris again returned to produce Siren at which time he felt the band hated each others guts. In his experience a band without rapport never make good music and this was no exception. By this time also he stated that Ferry, who's early works he had regarded as the very best in lyric writing, had become very lazy especially in regards to writing. Ferry asked Thomas who had very little experience at writing songs to co-write an album with him. The only co-write that ever came to light however was Rock of Ages even though Thomas did not (regrettably) produce the album that it appeared on. You may also like to know that Thomas produced the last two Pulp albums which were very successful and also seem to be greatly admired on this list. Should anyone want this book it's £5 and I can pick it up for you. We can swap etc. if interested. BTW in the two years I've been on this list I've always wanted to gloat that the sun is splitting the rocks where I am. So finally I get the chance...the first time in three years that I've got a glow on my face that isn't the result of 10 pints. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:55:39 PDT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Pictures >In a message dated 03/05/99 17:07:29 GMT, you write: > ><< > > A while back someone posted a web site for Anton Corbjin photos of >Bryan. > > Could anyone remind me what the website address is again??? > > > http://www.photogenic.net/corbijn/ferry/ferry4.html You may also be interested to note that there are a number of pictures of Ferry at http://www.mirrorpix.com/cgi-bin-webdriver ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:01:43 PDT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sonnet No 18 > >Does anyone know why Bryan did this track on "The Diana Tribute album" > >Whos idea was it to get Bryan for the album? Was he keen or reluctant (like >he was to do Live Aid, or anything else that is not his own project)? In fact John, Bryan was desperate to get on that Diana tribute album. According to the Sunday Times he sent in a demo tape as soon as the project was announced. So he was one of the few people that wasn't actually asked to appear on that album. Sorry if I annoy anyone but I think it was nothing other than a bit of PR work. It obviosly didn't have as big an impact as he had hoped even though it was a lovely song. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:50:45 PDT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Pictures > >You may also be interested to note that there are a number of pictures of >Ferry at >http://www.mirrorpix.com > Sorry that address is wrong. Just go to http://www.mirrorpix.com ...and then search for Bryan Ferry ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:52:12 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Pictures In a message dated 04/05/99 19:00:37 GMT, you write: << You may also be interested to note that there are a number of pictures of Ferry at http://www.mirrorpix.com/cgi-bin-webdriver >> cheers mate J'O'B' - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:54:23 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sonnet No 18 In a message dated 04/05/99 19:05:07 GMT, you write: << In fact John, Bryan was desperate to get on that Diana tribute album. According to the Sunday Times he sent in a demo tape as soon as the project was announced. So he was one of the few people that wasn't actually asked to appear on that album. >> Does this meen that the track was a plan of his prior to Diana's death??? J.O'B. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:01:25 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Website In a message dated 03/05/99 21:52:17 GMT, you write: << That is very cool! I hope you will include lyrics and lots of pictures. Also, any articles you feel like entering or scanning in would be great. You could always scan the articles in and publish them in pdf. Best of luck and let me know if you need any help with Javascript, etc. I know a littl >> The Heart Still Beating Website (www.dlc.fi/~hope/) includes lyrics, and I wouldn't like to cover too much any area that someone else has in order to keep all the websites having something different to offer. If there was a demand to do something like that, then I would like to do it in a different way. I have also heard from someone who does a website for another artist that it is difficult to get any support, help or information from the artists or record companies if you use Lyrics and bootlegs as part of your website. I would gladly sacrifice this (especially when it can be available elswhere) if there could be some sort of 'what Bryan has been doing the last month' type update from the management. I have loads of 'Sounds', 'NME', 'Melody Maker', 'Q', 'Trouser Press' etc from all around the world. I evan have lots of stuff in French, Spanish, German etc, that I could maybe publish with the hope that some fan could translate for us. The tour books don't seem to be on any website. I have bought a lot of this stuff as it came out, but also I have bought it at fares and through specialist shops. It is sometimes interesting to read something retrospectively that was written prospectively. Reading an interview in 1999 knowing the fate of the topic that was written through the recording (pre release) of say 'Country Life' 25 years earlier can be more interesting than reading something contemporary. The 1972 era opinions and predictions about the 'new kids on the block' called Roxy Music are sometimes amusing in that how wrong the journalist was this can make them more fun . It could take me a couple of months to get the initial thing up and running then I can update it regularly. Watch This Space. John O'Brien. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:01:30 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Warm Love In a message dated 04/05/99 00:31:26 GMT, you write: << in the misty mountain tops of my thoughts I think that I remember this ("Warm Love") as a Van Morrison cover. I later came to feel that whoever reported this recording actually meant "Crazy Love" and that "Warm Love" was never really recorded. I find it hard to believe that Bry would let ANY recordings sit in the cooler (besides half of the maligned "Horoscope"). >> I at first thought that this might be Crazy Love, but it is credited in the same page as Warm Love, so the author obviuosly new of the release of this song in 1985. I know it can be hard to believe that Bryan can leave a finished product unreleased especially when you see how he can dry up. Sometimes artists record some songs during sessions for albums that don't make it to that album and when the next album comes around, the song doesn't seem to fit and has "missed the boat". This was obvious for Crazy Love, Feel The Need, & Broken Wings. they were recorded during "The Bride Stripped Bare", mixed between "Flesh + Blood" & "Avalon" and released with a "Boys and Girls" track. These songs wouldn't fit in any of these albums, they would sound out of place, (though maybe Crazy Love & Feel The Need might have fitted on "Bride..." if they were mixed at that time) . It has been known for songs to kick about through several album sessions in various forms until they fit. New Town was said by Bryan to have been kicking around since Manifesto, Dance Away began at In Your Mind time, I'm sure there are others (anyone any knowledge of others ???). Warm Love might have been a 'working title' to a backing track that he eventually wrote lyrics for and then became something else. When I look at the lyrics to 'Gemini Moon', I can't help wondering if this was originally called 'Horoscope', and Bryan just didn't wan't the jinx of the word 'Horoscope' on Mamouna. It is correct to point out that the webpage does say that "He'll Have To Go" was recorded in 1981, but when you look at the production credits, they are unique to "The Bride Stripped Bare" album in 1978. Ultimatelly I am maybe how I was with the Pastiche hoax, in that I am just wishing too hard for something to be true. John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:14:54 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Website >I have loads of 'Sounds', 'NME', 'Melody Maker', 'Q', 'Trouser Press' etc >from all around the world. I evan have lots of stuff in French, Spanish, >German etc, that I could maybe publish with the hope that some fan could >translate for us. The tour books don't seem to be on any website. What about copyright? Do you plan to ask the writers/magazines if it's okay to publish? /Kicki G - journalist - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:30:30 EDT From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Website In a message dated 04/05/99 20:19:38 GMT, kicki.gustafsson@op.se writes: << What about copyright? Do you plan to ask the writers/magazines if it's okay to publish? >> I have thought about this and will have to look into it. I don't think the copyright applies the same way in that it is data your reading and not hard copies that I am selling and ultimately making a profit. Most of the stuff is now unavailable and therefore won't affect the sales for the respective companies. J.O'B. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:52:42 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Website >In a message dated 04/05/99 20:19:38 GMT, kicki.gustafsson@op.se writes: > ><< > What about copyright? Do you plan to ask the writers/magazines if it's okay > to publish? > >> > >I have thought about this and will have to look into it. I don't think the >copyright applies the same way in that it is data your reading and not hard >copies that I am selling and ultimately making a profit. Most of the stuff is >now unavailable and therefore won't affect the sales for the respective >companies. > >J.O'B. I'm not sure the people who wrote the articles will agree with you on this. /K - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:07:49 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Warm Love In a message dated 04/05/99 09:08:57 GMT Daylight Time, JObinv01@aol.com writes: << I know it can be hard to believe that Bryan can leave a finished product unreleased especially when you see how he can dry up >> Hi John, In a BF interview with Melody Maker, (25th July 1981), Paulo Hewitt states "Ferry was, in fact, in a studio recently. In New York. He recorded Van Morrison's " Warm love" and an old Jim Reeves number, "He'll have to go". He also recorded two of his own songs, but he's not sure what will come next. A Roxy album. Or a solo album." Well, it seems the old codger must have a couple unreleased tracks lying around somewhere, but knowing the sloth like manner in which he works he probably never got round to finishing them. Regards. John Fulton - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:10:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Website On Tue, 4 May 1999, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > >I have thought about this and will have to look into it. I don't think the > >copyright applies the same way in that it is data your reading and not hard > >copies that I am selling and ultimately making a profit. Most of the stuff is > >now unavailable and therefore won't affect the sales for the respective > >companies. > > > >J.O'B. > > I'm not sure the people who wrote the articles will agree with you on this. Jumping in here quickly to say that my experience with this on another website is that if you write to the authors and explain what you are doing, they are more often than not happy to grant you permission. Some don't care at all. Some will get angry if they discover it up without at least an acknowledgement that it is without permission. And some will be so flattered they'll send you other stuff as well. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:58:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 Yes! Blacmange was great! And yes, Will Systems of Romance is the greastest album by Ultravox, if you ask me (and who does? ;-). But what I REALLY love is Jon Foxx's solo album, "New Kind of Man." I listen to it in the car all the time. And Blondie is awesome too. I love her whole "Nico meets playboy bunny" image. She could have taught any of today's waifs a thing or too! Kicki? tomorrow - eulogies for Gang of Four and Momus. Ciao! http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Tue, 4 May 1999, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > When we're talking about 82-83 - nobody has mentioned Blancmange yet. > Martinique? > During my au pair in London I sometimes rubbed shoulders with them at The > Palace. *LOL* > > /Kicki G > > ------------------------ > Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 > http://www.op.se > http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:14:22 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Class of '77 >And Blondie is awesome too. I love her whole "Nico meets playboy bunny" >image. She could have taught any of today's waifs a thing or too! Kicki? I liked Blondie, sure, not enough to buy their records. I taped the hits from the radio. Do you remember when "Heart of glass" was released? How incredibly "new" the sound was, Debbie Harry's other-wordly voice, that airy, flawless soundscape...ah, the days of our youth. /Kicki G - ------------------------ Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 http://www.op.se http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:19:14 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Website >I don't wish this to be my site, but our site, so any suggestion is welcome. > >regards > >John O'Brien Excellent Idea John Here are some suggestions: Information about every tour: dates, places, numbers, reviews and pictures. information about the albums: Background information about the numbers, reviews. Background information about the lyrics. We had this talk about three and nine, do the strand, mother of pearl in the past and I think it's a good idea to see the lyrics with all the background information. Otis schoolresults There has been some House and Garden kind of articles in the past about Ferry's dreamhomes. Manzanera's home I saw in a Dutch magazine. Beautiful Art Deco I think Gene would love it. In other words I want TRIVIA. But most of all I would see that something is chancing regularly. When you take look at for example Brian Chows WebPages that hasn't changed in a year. I have some articles, most are Dutch but I can scan the pictures if you're interested success John - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:45:43 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Pictures >A while back someone posted a web site for Anton Corbjin photos of Bryan. >Could anyone remind me what the website address is again??? > >Does anyone have any other sites that I can download pictures from.??? > >Thanks http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?id=HU049431&vID=1 http://www.caulfield.nl/sites/heineken/artist1.htm http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?id=HU049431&vID=1 http://www.warchild.org/artists/milestones/03.html http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?id=HU053741&vID=1 http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?id=PN010810&vID=1 http://pw1.netcom.com/~dfirmin/ANDY_MACKAY.html http://home.wxs.nl/~wilhe010/ http://www.mockett.net/wetton.html http://www.geocities.com/Paris/8099/wetton.html http://virginrecords.com/story/storyp165.html http://www.allmusic.com/cg/x.dll http://funcform.netch.se/exponera_eng/bilder/index.html http://www.warchild.org/artists/pagan/showpho.html http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~VU5I-NW/roxy_e.htm http://www.breiner.com/concert/bryanferry.htm http://www.nsknet.or.jp/~tf-sugi/ferry/roxy.html http://www.nsknet.or.jp/~tf-sugi/ferry/bryan.html#Ferry Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:34:57 EDT From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Class of 77-83 Friends, Class of 77-83 definitely! I am echoing Mr. Donato now! We few have a true link into when we believed the music was at its best. I tried to explain to my husband that except for Nirvana and the grunge scene in the early 90's, nothing has really been going on. Sorry, I don't think No Doubt is the next BIG THING. Time will tell. I would hate to think that now I am not in college or high school that nothing new will ever sound good again. Heather, Blondie was great in the early 80's! I agree about the playboy bunny gone bad gone good again. I haven't heard too much of their new album though. Give me Eat to the Beat any day! In the meantime, I will wait for Mr. F to get his fanny in gear so Dawne and I can go on a road trip down to L.A. to catch the So. Cal. shows after seeing the Bay Area and Sacramento ones. Dawne, you up for it? Helene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #136 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest