From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #121 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, April 20 1999 Volume 04 : Number 121 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Shooting the messenger ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover [f2hb@casema.net] Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover ["Richard" ] RE: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover ["Robert Fedder" ] Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover ["Han Snijders" ] Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover ["Han Snijders" ] Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover ["tfagan" ] Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover ["Richard" ] [AVALON] Just Pretending [jspellman@banet.net] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:21:43 +0100 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover I've said this previously, and privately, but I have serious doubts as to the veracity of Colleen Matlan. I know this will make me even more unpopular in these parts, but I just do. Just because someone posts something on the World Wide Web doesn't mean she's real. I would be more than happy to be proved wrong on this point (even if her mails seems less than thrilling--if even a trifle embarrassing--to me). Meanwhile with regard to the Pastiche sleeve I feel fairly sure its genuine. In its favour : The handwriting of the song titles is unmistakably Bryan's, and pretty hard to forge. The album title is Ferryesque The cover art has that Ferry/Puxley/Price feel The song selection has the right mix - Don't know "Pastiche," but then again I'd never heard "Taxi." I like the idea that the title track could be self-written, as someone suggested. A lot of the songs have been mentioned en passent by the Maestro as favourites Hoax concerns : The Bryan Ferry Orchestra ... Rather grandiose expression, but he's been hanging out with Jools Holland a lot, who attaches that suffix to his band. Also a lot of unconfirmed reports that Bry's been in a studio with a South American big (samba ?) band in London. Fonts ... very 30s big band but all too obvious for Bry's imagination The album title could, by definition, hint at a hoax. I don't share Fellow Avalonia fears about an album of covers : In recent years Taxi has really grown on me and I now prefer it to Mamouna and Bete Noir. The classic song selection will surely be given the Ferry post-modern makeover, whilst still managing to be reverential. I have this fantasy that "Hat On" will be spun into a lament, rather like the underated "Just One Look." pip pip Anon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:21:25 PDT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] Radio 1's BF Story Mackay reflects ruefuly in Radio >1's The Bryan Ferry Story - the text of which Gareth is proposing to release >to the list soon - that it was a disappointment financially to never break >the States but as "cultural people' we were happy to have Euopeans >appreciate Roxy's work. Yes I am indeed planning to release this to the list shortly. It was worked over a period of three years. Sometimes I'd start on it and then I'd get lost and put the canvas to the wall... blah, blah,blah. Anyway what I meant to say is that I'm still looking for the segment of the programme where Macakay speaks over "Tara". This is the only bit missing and I cannot release the text version to the list until I receive this part of the text from somebody. My plan is to put a nice cover on it with all the various guises of Bryan and bind it up for anybody who wants it. There is a lot to it and I feel it could almost stand alongside the other Ferry/ Roxy books in your collection. Which brings me to another point. The only two Roxy books missing from my collection are the one by Rees and another one by Rambetta (or something of the like). What are these like? Any nice pictures in them? Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:46:24 PDT From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Shooting the messenger >Jim, >Wow...pretty interesting about the Music school. David Bowie handing >out diplomas! Only Bryan Ferry or Wolfgang or a lil' of the ole' >Ludgwig van would haven topped that in my mind! Cool. > This is indeed interesting. Now I'm pretty sure they'd all be pretty much in awe of Bowie but what if Bryan was to be the one handing out the diplomas? This brought me back to last year when we (students) were given the task of preparing a presentation on any topic we wished in front of a class. So you guessed it, one of the topics that I chose to speak about was RM. My first question was who had ever heard of RM? My response - one hand and this from a mature student who only knew about the latter period. I spoke about the first two albums, telling them that my chat up line echoes a segemnt from the first album i.e. climbing mountains, swimming oceans, roses around the door, walking 1000 miles, and last but certainly not least growing potatoes by the score. That last one went down very well with my Irish audience. But that was only the beginning and by the time I had told the chicks to go where they may, that a rhodedandron is indeed a nice flower and that inflatable dolls are Bryans perfect women the audience was well and truly captivated. Still I get people coming up to me and asking me to recount those lines. It's almost become my party piece. Anyway the point is that I think people of my age would enjoy RM if they gave it a chance, even if it was just a fraction of a chance that they allow Bowie and the likes. Good day, Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 06:36:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover On Mon, 19 Apr 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > I've said this previously, and privately, but I have serious doubts as to > the veracity of Colleen Matlan. I know this will make me even more Avalonions, I too doubt the veracity of this Colleen Matlan person. Her typeface looks authentic, but there is just one detail about her which makes me think she is a fake. Those of you who have been with me in this mystery for a while now will know of what I speak. The Real Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:39:07 +0200 From: f2hb@casema.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover >>>Found this while browsing: >>> >>>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/4927/index.html >>> > >>...cool! >>see the title's wordplay in connection to both the songs and the pic? >>at least what I think of it... > > >Pastiche: > >A French word for a parody or literary imitation. Perhaps for humorous or >satirical purposes, perhaps as a mere literary exercise or jeu d'espirit, >perhaps in all seriousness, a writer imitates the style or ... > > a combination of many styles and influences making up a single work of art. >> > >This isn't a joker I think > >Han hey Han, yeah I sure do hope it isn't a joker. in addition to your explanation, the first thought that came up with the album title, it sounded like cool italian ice... but then,...'past' like in 'past songs'(all named songs) and 'stiche' like in 'stitch' (the picture) well ok, maybe a bit thinking too far...but like Martin said, *The cover art has that Ferry/Puxley/Price feel* Frank ...a stitch in time saves nine... (I've a dozen reasons lying on the shelf, 6 and 2 3's now, more I cannot say...) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:41:43 +0100 From: "Richard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover Martin - Reference to Colleen aside, I share much of your thoughts - I think this is genuine and look forward to hearing it. Regards, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: Martin Stockman To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover > >I've said this previously, and privately, but I have serious doubts as to >the veracity of Colleen Matlan. I know this will make me even more >unpopular >in these parts, but I just do. Just because someone posts something on >the World Wide Web doesn't mean she's real. > >I would be more than happy to be proved wrong on this point (even if her >mails seems less than thrilling--if even a trifle >embarrassing--to me). > >Meanwhile with regard to the Pastiche sleeve I feel fairly sure its genuine. > >In its favour : >The handwriting of the song titles is unmistakably Bryan's, and pretty hard >to forge. >The album title is Ferryesque >The cover art has that Ferry/Puxley/Price feel >The song selection has the right mix - Don't know "Pastiche," but then again >I'd never heard "Taxi." I like the idea that the title track could be >self-written, as someone suggested. >A lot of the songs have been mentioned en passent by the Maestro as >favourites > >Hoax concerns : >The Bryan Ferry Orchestra ... Rather grandiose expression, but he's been >hanging out with Jools Holland a lot, who attaches that suffix to his band. >Also a lot of unconfirmed reports that Bry's been in a studio with a South >American big (samba ?) band in London. >Fonts ... very 30s big band but all too obvious for Bry's imagination >The album title could, by definition, hint at a hoax. > >I don't share Fellow Avalonia fears about an album of covers : In recent >years Taxi has really grown on me and I now prefer it to Mamouna and Bete >Noir. The classic song selection will surely be given the Ferry post-modern >makeover, whilst still managing to be reverential. I have this fantasy that >"Hat On" will be spun into a lament, rather like the underated "Just One >Look." > >pip pip > >Anon > > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 99 19:19:51 UT From: "Robert Fedder" Subject: RE: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover Martin wrote: I've said this previously, and privately, but I have serious doubts as to the veracity of Colleen Matlan. I know this will make me even more unpopular in these parts, but I just do. Just because someone posts something on the World Wide Web doesn't mean she's real. Colleen is obviously a hoax. Who else is an anagram of TAN LAME CLONE (with an e acute accent on lame)? Didn't Martin Fry wear gold lame in his BF clone hair-style days? As regards the album - come on, how much proof do we need? Of course it's real. I even reckon we've guessed most of the details, right down to the Ferry-written title track, atmos-version of Hat On etc. Robert PS. Tan Lame, I like your style. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:54:36 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover >Thanks for this. >An intriguing line up of songs which, if the artwork is at this stage, >should presumably be released quite soon now. >Personally I can't wait to hear "Night and day" - one of Cole Porter's best >I think and a memorable song from the film of the same name (with Cary >Grant). > Night and Day is originally written for the musical "The Gay Divorce' and it was done by Fred Astaire and Clare Luce in '35. Summertime is Gershwin and Heyward for Porgy and Bess and it was done for the first time by Abbie Michell in 35 If Ferry is releasing this song this year there is a remarkable coincidence because it's also the 1999th cover version of this one Anything Goes is another Cole Porter song for the musical with the same name This was sung by Ethel Merman and Bing Crosby in 34 I'll see you again is a Noel Coward song from the musical Bitter Sweet from '29 The way you look Tonight is from the film Swing Time and is another Fred Astaire number. It's also done by Billy Holiday. Sonny Rollins did the song as "the way you blow tonight" Is Sonny still alive? mayby he can do Fleetwood Mac's 'You Can Blow your own way" Falling in love again is originally a German song titled 'Ich bin von kopf bis fuss aus liebe eine gestellt" In English you can translated that in 'I'm build from love from head to toe" It was done by Marlene Dietrichin the film 'Der Blaue Engel' Anyone of you who knows more about the other songs? The fun is that there is that little voice in my head that says that it's a big joke from someone on this list. Like Martin I don't trust the thirties fonts that are used. Never seen the name of the person who sent this to the list before either. Found while Browsing? Try to find it while Browsing......internetdetective Bahi there is work to do! Maybe Vapour did a workshop design your own cd-cover. But what the hell if it is a joke.... it's a good one! Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:17:58 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover Pastiche: A French word for a parody or literary imitation. Perhaps for humorous or satirical purposes, perhaps as a mere literary exercise or jeu d'espirit, perhaps in all seriousness, a writer imitates the style or ... Take another look on the explanation of the word pastiche. Is it Ferry referring to the songs or is it jue d'espirit from a Ferry fan. The lay-out from the back of the cd-cover is that a professional lay-out? There isn't even space for a barcode. I don't want to bore you further so after this one I shut my mouth about this false or true issue Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:21:53 -0400 From: "tfagan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover my feeling is that "Pastiche" (the song) is one of those throw away instrumentals that Bry tacks on to get royalties ... he WOULD. - --TriTri - -----Original Message----- >>The song selection has the right mix - Don't know "Pastiche," but then >again >>I'd never heard "Taxi." I like the idea that the title track could be >>self-written, as someone suggested. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 00:15:31 +0100 From: "Richard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover Han - How old are you??? You are like a walking encyclopaedia of twentieth century song. I'm a little embarrassed to remember that Edward Woodward had a big UK hit in the early seventies with "The way you look tonight" but, whilst I know virtually all the others, I'll have to ask my Dad for more information!! I think probably most of the songs have a place in Hollywood musicals - if I can find out more I will let you know. Regards, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: Han Snijders To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Cover > > >>Thanks for this. >>An intriguing line up of songs which, if the artwork is at this stage, >>should presumably be released quite soon now. >>Personally I can't wait to hear "Night and day" - one of Cole Porter's best >>I think and a memorable song from the film of the same name (with Cary >>Grant). >> >Night and Day is originally written for the musical "The Gay Divorce' and >it was done by Fred Astaire and Clare Luce in '35. > >Summertime is Gershwin and Heyward for Porgy and Bess and it was done for >the first time by Abbie Michell in 35 >If Ferry is releasing this song this year there is a remarkable coincidence >because it's also the 1999th cover version of this one > >Anything Goes is another Cole Porter song for the musical with the same name >This was sung by Ethel Merman and Bing Crosby in 34 > >I'll see you again is a Noel Coward song from the musical Bitter Sweet from >'29 > >The way you look Tonight is from the film Swing Time and is another Fred >Astaire number. It's also done by Billy Holiday. Sonny Rollins did the song >as "the way you blow tonight" Is Sonny still alive? mayby he can do >Fleetwood Mac's 'You Can Blow your own way" > >Falling in love again is originally a German song titled 'Ich bin von kopf >bis fuss aus liebe eine gestellt" In English you can translated that in 'I'm >build from love from head to toe" >It was done by Marlene Dietrichin the film 'Der Blaue Engel' > >Anyone of you who knows more about the other songs? > >The fun is that there is that little voice in my head that says that it's a >big joke from someone on this list. >Like Martin I don't trust the thirties fonts that are used. Never seen the >name of the person who sent this to the list before either. Found while >Browsing? Try to find it while Browsing......internetdetective Bahi there is >work to do! Maybe Vapour did a workshop design your own cd-cover. >But what the hell if it is a joke.... it's a good one! > > >Han > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:14:08 -0400 From: jspellman@banet.net Subject: [AVALON] Just Pretending I made the album cover. Only kidding. Sure looks like Bryan's work, with that slight hint of bondage the way the woman is portrayed. And besides how could you not trust a guy with the name of flangebracket@email.com? Has he/she ever posted before? What I was referring to was I have recently rediscovered the original Pretenders, which led me to their web sites. I was surprised to find many links to RM/BF. They just were part of the tribute to Linda concert performing together with Johnny Marr. Here are some pics w/ Chris Spedding http://members.tripod.com/~PretendersArchives/Gallery/gal-chandspedding2.html http://members.tripod.com/~PretendersArchives/Gallery/gal-bandspedding1.html Here's the cherry, an interview Chrissie did as a journalist in 1974 with Eno. http://www.pretenders.org/eno.htm Best, Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #121 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest