From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #102 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, March 30 1999 Volume 04 : Number 102 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Covers ["Vicente Dobroruka" ] Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? ["Angel Colon" ] [AVALON] Ferry Tribute Show [JObinv01@aol.com] [AVALON] The Programme Is Posted ["Decophile" ] [AVALON] Re: Marvin Gaye (was: trivia? you want trivia?) [jspellman@bane] Re: [AVALON] The Programme Is Posted [Brian Folks ] Re: [AVALON] hammond [erik simpson ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry Tribute Show [Sprouse911@aol.com] [AVALON] Rock star flameouts (no Roxy content) [erik simpson Subject: [AVALON] Covers Tim wrote: "As I've said, I think ' cover ' is a term specifically used in rock and pop. YOU might think Sinatra's recordings are covers, HE didn't think in those terms". I fully agree, jazz versions are pieces on their own. Who could find the "original versions" of all Kern, Porter or Gershiwin? And would that matter? Anyway, in pop or rock things go somewhat different. Since the Beatles, it seems to me, the figure of tha band that composes what it plays overtook by a large margin that of the crooner. So worse for the bands - not many of them have the inteligence of Roxy Music... Once, when I still was a boy, I remember the older guys complaining that ELP "never" composed, but kept on playing other people's music (that about Brain Salad Surgery, 1973). So in less than 20 years the world was completely upside down, and composing was now a job as impprtant as playing. But surely the term "cover" does not apply to those bands mentioned by Tim. And IMO it can be used only when rock/pop bands play versions of songs from other rock/pop bands. Be well, Vicente - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:14:06 -0500 From: "Angel Colon" Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? Really? Too cool!! How ,when,where??? Details girl!!!! Angel - -----Original Message----- From: Kicki Gustafsson To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? >>The top piece of paper on a magazine is the cover, therefore the lady who >>appears on the cover is a cover girl. >>What does that have to do with recording someone else's music? >> >>Angel (obviously needing more coffee because I'm not getting it) > >I was of course thinking of Kari-Anne and her pals. >And I meant it as a joke. I'm sorry, but I thought that was _obvious_ . > >/Kicki G - who does know what a cover girl is (been one herself, actually) > >------------------------ >Kicki Gustafsson, Östersunds-Posten 063-16 16 51 >http://www.op.se >http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG (privat hemsida) > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:26:25 +0200 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? >At 17.18 +0200 99-03-28, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: >>/Kicki G - who does know what a cover girl is (been one herself, actually) > >And have I seen it, being Swedish? > >Daniel It was the cover of Söndags-Expressen in July or August 1988 :-) /K - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:48:04 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Kicki? you want Kicki? At 15.26 +0200 99-03-29, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: >It was the cover of Söndags-Expressen in July or August 1988 :-) One of these re-make. re-model me? :-) For non-Swedes, one of the trends in Sweden has been to glamourize ordinary people and making them look like models. Since I live nearby the daily Expressen, I'll go and look if there is something... to scann, that is. Daniel Daniel Atterbom *************** "God has blessed the world with Curtis Mayfield; now Mayfield has blessed us with New World Order." Danny Kelly reviewing one of the best and most positive CD's of the 90's, from a man paralysed from the neck down, in Q Magazine Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare. This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for publication or re-distribution without my written permission. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:57:59 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Tribute Show I went to a show in Glasgow on Saturday to see Mike Nelson. He was the guy who did Bryan Ferry on 'Stars In Their Eyes' in 1991 For the benifit of non British Avalonians, 'Stars In Their Eyes' is a British TV programme where people compete in a lookalike / soundalike TV show impersonating famous singers. I got a chance to speak to Mike and he was kind enough to give me a contact number. I told him about the mailing list and that I would be putting a review of his show on this list. He was amazed that people from all around the world would be hearing about him. I will be speaking to him this week and have several questions to ask him. I thought I would write about the show here after I have spoken to him. If anyone has any questions for me to ask him then let me know. All that I will tell you about the show just now was that he looked and sounded just like our very own Mr F. I mentioned to him about a possible Roxy / Ferry fan gathering ( I say gathering as convention didn't seem to be the right word when it was used before) He seemed interested in doing a show at this, though I imagine this would be the most daunting gig he would ever do. Look forward to hearing from you all Regards John O'Brien - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:22:28 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: [AVALON] The Programme Is Posted Anyone interested in viewing the '75 tour programme can find it at http://www.pipeline.com/~decophile/Roxy/cover.html I`ve purposely loaded them large as to maintain the detailed quality of the actual scan. You can download and resize them as you see fit. Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:30:44 -0500 From: jspellman@banet.net Subject: [AVALON] Re: Marvin Gaye (was: trivia? you want trivia?) >>Sorry to correct you here. The Marvin Gaye version of the Norman Whitfield/ Barrett Strong song "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" was the first one recorded. Barry Gordy vetoed it as a single, so Norman Whitfield recorded another version with Gladys Knight and the Pips. The Gaye version was in the vault for a year or so and then released when Gaye was not recording much new material, unhappy with his marriage to Gordy's sister Anna, unhappy with his musical career and wanting to become an American football player for the Detroit Lions. After the succes of "I Heard It Through The Grapevine", Marvin Gaye got some independence from Motown, producing himself and releasing the masterpieces "What's Going On" and "Ley's Get It on".<< Daniel No need to be sorry, I enjoyed the education. I do remember that Glady's was very upset when they released the Marvin Gaye version only a year or so later (I'm could wrong again) But it totaly took away from it being her song. She wanted a trademark hit, but that all changed, people then thought of Marvin doing "Grapvine". Then CCR went on to do their version, so it's almost like their all covers or none of them are covers. I think we've covered almost everything. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:47:32 -0800 From: Brian Folks Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Programme Is Posted Gene, The web pages came up, but I found the pictures to be nonexistent. - --Brian Decophile wrote: > Anyone interested in viewing the '75 tour programme can find it at > http://www.pipeline.com/~decophile/Roxy/cover.html > I`ve purposely loaded them large as to maintain the detailed quality of the > actual scan. You can download and resize them as you see fit. > > Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:08:25 -0800 From: erik simpson Subject: Re: [AVALON] hammond At 04:58 PM 3/28/99 +0100, you wrote: >According to the Eno list, a new collaboration between the domed one and >someone called Hammond is scheduled for release - the person who posted the >information doesn't know who Hammond might be and neither do I. Anyone here >have any clues? > >Bahi I believe you are referring to "Damage by ROGER Eno and Lol Hammond (sorry, i can't help with who he is.). CDNOW had this little blurb about it; >ROGER ENO COLLABORATES WITH DANCE MAKER HAMMOND ON 12 TRACKS. INITIAL > SHIPMENTS INCLUDE A BONUS 4 TRACK CD. Be Well. Bye; Erik S Now Playing; Wired Magazine's "Music Futurists" compilation-specifically Eno's 2/1 from "Music For Airports". Pleasant coincidence or more proof of Eno's near-ubiquity in (post)modern culture?!? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:44:56 EST From: Sprouse911@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry Tribute Show In a message dated 3/29/99 4:04:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, JObinv01@aol.com writes: > All that I will tell you about the show just now was that he looked and > sounded just like our very own Mr F. John, I would be very interested in what came first.....the look or the voice. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:52:05 -0800 From: erik simpson Subject: [AVALON] Rock star flameouts (no Roxy content) At 10:55 PM 3/27/99 -0500, you wrote: >The history of rock is littered with tragedy, whether it`s the flip of the >coin that doomed Buddy Holly, Cozy Powell`s car crash or the self >destructive stupidity of Jimi Hendrix and Kurt Cobain. >But Syd Barret`s decent into madness is ,IMO, the most tragic and Roger >Water`s account of Syds visit to the studio during the recording of "Wish >You Were Here" (written about Syd) is one of the saddest and most poignant >stories I`ve ever read. > >Gene Hi; I've always found startling (and frightening) similarities between the tale of Syd and that of (the formerly great) Peter Green of (the original) Fleetwood Mac. Green has been a personal hero of mine for years and years, and I've always felt he was on the cusp of some truly great work when he flamed out for many of the same reasons as Barrett (Too much fame too soon; too many insecurites; too many psychedelics on a daily basis fueling the flames). There are many bizarre stories of Greens subsequent behavior; working as a gravedigger, bursting in on his manager (or was it accountant) with a shotgun and demanding he STOP sending him royalty checks (Santana's version of "Black Magic Woman" must surely have put a few meals on the table). They may well be apocryphal, but they still paint a vivid picture of how far he fell. For my tastes, of all the 60's "guitar heroes", though he never had the high profile of some of his peers (the always highly-overrated Eric Clapton springs to mind. "In my humble opinion" of course. I know, I know. Flame away.), he was the greatest. The work he did just before flaming out ("Then Play On" or the best parts of last years "Vaudeville Years" comp or "Live at the Boston Tea Party" discs) is superlative. A soulful guitarist who was more interested in conveying true emotion than flash for flash sake, and a soulful singer to boot (which was perhaps his secret weapon). As B.B. King himself said "the only guitar player who ever made me sweat". (Perhaps a trifle sloppy as a paraphrase, but essentially accurate.) Though he was always a blues player, he seemed intent on stretching the boundaries of what the blues could be. Just listen to "the Green Manalishi" from the Tea Party discs. Built around a heavy, bruising riff and an intricate arrangement, it could easily be seen as a percursor to heavy metal (I believe Judas Priest later covered it), but when Peter gets to the guitar solo, it's nothing but pure blues at its most compelling, never mind the format. When Green toured for the first time in ages last year, I had to go see him. It started out promisingly with some classic stuff, and through the course of the set they did "Rattlesnake Shake", "Green Manlishi", "Albatross", Black Magic Woman", but it didn't take long to notice that his second guitarist was doing most of the heavy lifting in these songs, and that Peter seemed to respond best to the more rote, traditional (and much less engaging, from my viewpoint) blues that the set was mostly built around. (Another sad note was that his once powerful voice is pretty much ancient history). I was first row, front and center and had a clear view of Peter and it seemed you could almost see in his eyes when the stray thoughts went careening through his mind leaving him momentarily confused or lost. On the plus side, and this was not a musical highlight, but rather a human one, it was greatly and deeply touching to see how protective his band and crew were of him, how deferential and respectful they were, how much they wanted him to succeed, and how determined they were to create a situation where he COULD succeed to the best of his present abilities. I've rambled off-topic enough here, and I apologize for that, but everytime I think about what was lost here it just makes me so damn sad. Be Well. Bye; Erik S NP-Fleetwood Mac-"Live at The Boston Tea Party vol. 1"-specifically "Jumpin at Shadows", a prophetic number if there ever was one (recorded just months before Peter bolted the band, and to a great degree, reality). To Quote; "What can you say There isn't much to tell I'm going downhill and I blame myself I've been jumpin at shadows just thinkin' about my life" or; "God have mercy 'cause I think I'm goin' insane The devils been gettin' at me He's got me down again Got me jumpin at shadows..." as a slow blues. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #102 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest