From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #100 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, March 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Bonus Tracks [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? [Heather Marie Propes ] Re: [AVALON] Free Programme- And The Winner Is... ["Decophile" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:12:57 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? Some elusive answers and corrections... > >> *******THE 37th ANNUAL ROXY/FERRY TRIVIA STUMP-O-RAMA************** >> >> 1) Who, according to Ferry, is the first verse of 'Virginia Plain' about? Robert E Lee, Bry's old accountant >> 12) What painting inspired the title 'Re-make/Re-model'? Something by Marcel Duchamp, not Hamilton >> 13) Name six Roxy Music songs Ferry has re-made/re-modelled. Add unreleased Mother Of Pearl : did we mention Casanova ? >> 24) Name the band Ferry first sang with. The Banshees predated The Gas Board, summer hols between school and University > >> 25) Which Roxy Music lyric did no writer ever comment on,which, says Ferry, >> "hurt my feelings?' Something from Bride Stripped.. "When she walks in the room" (Famous Van the Man song !) or "Can't Let go" or "This Island Earth" >> 26) What job did Paul Thompson have before joining Roxy Music? Lorry Driver >> 32) What happened when Ferry met Ann and Nancy Wilson of the Fabled Rock Group >> Heart? I dearly hope he made his excuses and left the room. Or used his fabled blindfold on himself >> 35) What was Ferry's Favorite Childhood Toy? Bicycle >> 36) Please name Ferry's Favorite Hair Product. Floris and/or Brillantine >> 38) What does the word 'Mamouna' mean? A Saharan wind and the name of a daughter of one of Ferry's friends >> 39) Which song did Phil Manzanera call A Huge Mistake? Angel Eyes - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:32:32 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy van der Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? >> 4) What Ridiculous, Too Old, Old, Old to Rock & Ro-o-o-o-ll Recent Video >> features Implied Lesbianism and Ferry with strips of film coming out of his >> suit? Will you love me tomorrow? >> 8) Why was Andy MacKay once arrested? Let me guess, a blow job on stage? >> 17) What Forgettable Ferry Solo Song has become a recent hit for a TV show in >> a Far-Away Land? forgotten......., on no it's Tokyo Joe >> 19a) What year--and in what magazine--did the nude Eno photos finally surface? The playgirl, 1974. I have a copy so anyone intrested I can scan the picutures and Email them. >> 20) Which album did Ferry dedicated to his Beloved Mammy? Taxi >> 22) Did Beavis and Butthead ever watch a Ferry video? Did Ferry ever watch B&B? >> 25) Which Roxy Music lyric did no writer ever comment on,which, says Ferry, >> "hurt my feelings?' Manifesto >> 27) What song did Ferry write especially for Half-Man, Half Goat Roger >> Daltrey? Going strong >> 28) In what Ridiculous Country was Roxy's Dead-Guy tribute, 'Jealous Guy' >> recorded? Germany >> 31) Which artist has covered the most Ferry songs? Why is this Ironic? Ferry >> 32) What happened when Ferry met Ann and Nancy Wilson of the Fabled Rock Group >> Heart? How's your brothers Brian doing, he asked >> 33) Name two Roxy/Ferry music videos the Fabulous Jerry Hall graced with her >> appearance? Stick together and the Price of love >> 37) What foods has Ferry mentioned in songs? Champagne >> 38) What does the word 'Mamouna' mean? Good luck Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:25:59 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? In a message dated 99-03-26 15:19:25 EST, Colleen wrote: << Ooooooh. Someone even more pedantic than I. Careful Tim, I might lose my heart to you over this. I hope it's not too picky to remark that if one didn't write a song, then one is (in addition to The Loneliest Number) ipso facto covering it. Or, instead, to ask for the source of the definition which includes the words "established performer." >> Go, Colleen. I'm with you, girl. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:26:03 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? << Cole Porter wrote songs for other people to perform. So are the Sinatra and Fitzgerald performances of these songs ' cover versions'? >> If Cole recorded it and someone came along later and also recorded it, that's a cover. If Cole only wrote it then the first recording by someone else would not be a "cover". John Coltrane using "These Foolish Thing" as a starting point for improvisations does not, IMHO, constitute a cover. Bryan and Talking Heads both covered "Take Me To The River," assuming Al Green wrote or first recorded it. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:00:42 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? Han wrote: >>> 4) What Ridiculous, Too Old, Old, Old to Rock & Ro-o-o-o-ll Recent Video >>> features Implied Lesbianism and Ferry with strips of film coming out of >his >>> suit? >Will you love me tomorrow? The Girl of My Best Friend. A still from the video was used on the cover of the Roxy box set. Bahi (Slightly nervous about having used the word 'cover' on this list.) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:45:18 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bonus Tracks >This was an alternative version of the >TAXI singles with different bonus tracks, intended to make us buy the >single twice - which, I'm ashamed to admit, some of us did. There was something new on most of these singles. Either live tracks from the Bete Noire tour or remixes. For example, the Spell singles offered between them a total of 6 new mixes of the song - some of which were storming. Five were on the standard single and the sixth - an extended single remix - was on the Live & Archive edition. The latter (in the UK, at least) came in a gatefold with space for the next two L & A releases. Bahi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:00:30 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? Martin Stockman wrote: >> 25) Which Roxy Music lyric did no writer ever comment on,which, says Ferry, >> "hurt my feelings?' Something from Bride Stripped.. "When she walks in the room" (Famous Van the Man song !) or "Can't Let go" or "This Island Earth" It was Manifesto. >> 26) What job did Paul Thompson have before joining Roxy Music? Lorry Driver I read somewhere that he was a docker... Also, Feryr mentioned on the radio once that his father (who did look after pit ponies) was also a farmer. He did one thing before the war and another after but I can't remember which he did first. >> 36) Please name Ferry's Favorite Hair Product. Floris and/or Brillantine Definitely Phytofix. See the acknowledgments on recent albums. He has even mentioned the product in an interview (that someone - Chris Garratt? - kindly posted here) as being the result of a long search to find a hair fixative that he really liked. Reminds me of Antony Price's claim that Bryan should give up music and instead just lend his name to a cosmetic product. >> 38) What does the word 'Mamouna' mean? A Saharan wind and the name of a daughter of one of Ferry's friends The Ferry quotes I've seen mentioned that it was a girl's name and also means good luck. The link with a Saharan wind is new to me. Shortly after the album was released, a horse called Mamouna started appearing in the UK race listings. Bryan's known to be partial to a flutter but perhaps there's no connection. >> 39) Which song did Phil Manzanera call A Huge Mistake? Angel Eyes D'oh! I love this song in all three studio vrsns and hadn't heard this quote before. If it's true, Phil loses 10 points. He knocks Angel Eyes then goes on to record those pointless Explorers albums. Bahi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:21:27 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Bahi Para wrote: > >> 39) Which song did Phil Manzanera call A Huge Mistake? > Angel Eyes > > D'oh! I love this song in all three studio vrsns and hadn't heard this > quote before. If it's true, Phil loses 10 points. He knocks Angel Eyes > then goes on to record those pointless Explorers albums. Not to worry dear Bahi, because that answer is wrong. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:28:50 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? Han replied > >>> 8) Why was Andy MacKay once arrested? >>Let me guess, a blow job on stage? > Could Collen and Tim define this please pip pip M - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:27:14 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Han Snijders en Willy van der Geest wrote: > >> 19a) What year--and in what magazine--did the nude Eno photos finally > surface? > The playgirl, 1974. I have a copy so anyone intrested I can scan the > picutures and Email them. On a serious note, if anyone does have these pictures you might find you can command a hefty price for them from the more, ahem, serious collectors. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:30:08 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Martin Stockman wrote: > Han replied > > > >>> 8) Why was Andy MacKay once arrested? > >>Let me guess, a blow job on stage? > > > Could Collen and Tim define this please This seems like a seminar which would lend itself more to video than words, no? So we'll just have to wait until all of our technology is upgraded in 2525. Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:39:57 -0500 From: jspellman@banet.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > << Cole Porter wrote songs for other people to perform. So are > the Sinatra and Fitzgerald performances of these songs ' cover > versions'? >> > > If Cole recorded it and someone came along later and also recorded it, that's > a cover. If Cole only wrote it then the first recording by someone else would > not be a "cover". John Coltrane using "These Foolish Thing" as a starting > point for improvisations does not, IMHO, constitute a cover. > > Bryan and Talking Heads both covered "Take Me To The River," assuming Al > Green wrote or first recorded it. > > Arnie This is what I thought of a cover as well. Glady's Night didn't write "Heard It Through The Grapevine" but it was written for them. Marvin Gaye went on to cover it after the GN version was a hit, even though it was written by the same Motown writers he used early on. You can't cover a song like Carickfeurgus because it's unknown who made it famous, kind of like covering Happy Birthday. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:42:53 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? > >>> 36) Please name Ferry's Favorite Hair Product. > Floris and/or Brillantine > Now Bahi relplies thus.. >Definitely Phytofix. See the acknowledgments on recent albums. Once again we enter a semantic universe. I suppose the question might imply a present reality in which case I bow to Bahi's tonsorial tutelage however Brillantine shaped the blue-black period and Floris was certainment de rigour au week-end a la campagne. Et a point a point avec le cheval manifique, Mamouna. Yours, a few sheets to the desert wind, Martmouna - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:51:54 -0600 From: "Will" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glam Top 10 On BBC not for even a moment or two? Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Stockman To: Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Glam Top 10 On BBC > Top 10 Glam Rock Records > > T Rex..........20th Century Boy > T Rex..........Get it on > T Rex..........Metal Guru > Bowie..........Jean Genie > Bowie..........Suffragette City > Bowie..........Watch That Man > Sweet..........Blockbuster > Mud............Tiger Feet > Mott The Hoople..All the way from Memphis > Gary Glitter...Rock and Roll Parts 1 & 2 > > Note : Roxy Music were not a Glam Rock band > > pip pip > > Martineaux > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:08:32 -0600 (CST) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] trivia? you want trivia? On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Kicki Gustafsson wrote: > >> 18) What did Ferry's father do for a living? > > He wasn't a miner - he took care of the ponies that were used in the mines. > When I was at UCLA, there was a guy who was reported to have been employed taking care of the menagerie of animals that were used in Playboy photo shoots. Does anyone this this career could be plausible? Heather - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:23:14 -0600 From: "Will" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Slave to Love Part 2 Well put and I agree 100%, although I did just say to this chick the other day that Sade was the female equivilant of Bryan Ferry. For the most part you are saying that you have to be an exceptional human being to get in touch with the full Mamouna/Bryan Ferry effect, and it is so easy to feel so superior after you get it. Like being let in on one of the great mysteries of life, in tune with a higher force, hightened insight into most things usually incomprehensible in some vague way, a wierd intangible feeling of knowing and understanding the deeper, darker, more sensual things in life, yet still able to interact with the little people and even feel compassion for them because they don't get it, and even at times see that that is exactly what is keeping them out of tune with the universe. Being enlightened is both a beautiful gift and a heavy burden, we are just left to deal with it. Will translation: this is a really nice day - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Kendrick To: Sent: Friday, March 26, 1999 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Slave to Love Part 2 > I thought the interview quite interesting. > > Strange, I knew MAMOUNA wasn't a smash hit, but it has never crossed my > mind to think of it as a dismal failure. Most albums as emotionally > elusive as this don't get into the top ten album chart, but ( if I > remember right) in Britain it got that far, albeit briefly. > It remains to me one of the highest points of Ferry's music, and of > pop music generally. But I was acquainted at the time with a Bowie fan > who ( perhaps this was a year or two after MAMOUNA's release) was > pleased to tedium with 1: OUTSIDE, and when I thrust MAMOUNA on him > he was rather contemptuous of " that sort of music." In other words, > because MAMOUNA used dance rhythms, as later Ferry often does, it > couldn't possibly be "serious." This may be a key to the problem: > " Serious rock fans," whoever they may be, are closed to music short on > boring huitar solos, while dance fans (understandably) aren't drawn > to Ferry's frosty, cerebral, complex musical and lyrical ideas. The > album is also possibly too demanding to fit the Sade/ Enya "atmosphere" > genre to which, in some people's opinion, AVALON belongs. > What this suggests is that listeners who think they're open to mew ideas > and approaches are as closed as most everybody else. This rich and > extraordinary record fails to satisfy precisely the people who, if they > actually worked on it, would find they'd missed one of the highest > points of nineties popular music. Sad really. > > Tim > > is MAMOUNA'S contradiction that > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:55:29 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Free Programme- And The Winner Is... - -----Original Message----- From: Rod Le Cloux To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Free Programme- New Question >A(Sid) Barrett > Congratulations Mr. Le Cloux. BTW, it`s "Syd." The history of rock is littered with tragedy, whether it`s the flip of the coin that doomed Buddy Holly, Cozy Powell`s car crash or the self destructive stupidity of Jimi Hendrix and Kurt Cobain. But Syd Barret`s decent into madness is ,IMO, the most tragic and Roger Water`s account of Syds visit to the studio during the recording of "Wish You Were Here" (written about Syd) is one of the saddest and most poignant stories I`ve ever read. Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 03:16:03 -0500 (GMT) From: Roberto Galvez Subject: [AVALON] Syd For those curious guys out there: there is a certain Kevin Ayers official homepage where there is a guestbook where we'll see a post by Roger Barrett.....the manager of Ayers ,who has that page told is the real Syd. Roberto. >But Syd Barret`s decent into madness is ,IMO, the most tragic and Roger >Water`s account of Syds visit to the studio during the recording of "Wish >You Were Here" (written about Syd) is one of the saddest and most poignant >stories I`ve ever read. > >Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #100 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest