From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #82 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, March 11 1999 Volume 04 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] The old sexism chesnut [Heather Marie Propes ] [AVALON] the american meeting -Reply [Kimberly Shell Subject: Re: [AVALON] The old sexism chesnut Yes, but don't you think there's a touch of grunge in Mamouma? I mean, aren't there references to trailer-park camp culture, Vegas, etc? I thought that was a sort of "bluesy" nineties take on the old Ferry swank. http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, dawndalion wrote: > TYRO!!! > > You NAILED it!!! > Thank God there is NOTHING 90's about Ferry!!! No grunge, no 90's > bullshit attitude. I think the 70's and 80's suited him well. > > Thanks for that profound observation. > > Dawne > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:54:30 -0000 From: "Garratt, Chris" Subject: [AVALON] Dodgy geezer EXCLUSIVE By RUPERT HAMER. A STRUGGLING single mother last night pleaded with millionaire rock star Bryan Ferry to return a stolen painting to her. The former Roxy Music singer paid #25,000 for the rare picture not knowing it had been taken from Anthea Ryan five years ago. Now Anthea may have to take the wealthy rock idol to court to decide who keeps the painting. Bryan, 53, bought the still life - showing apples and a bottle of wine resting on a copy of the Mirror - at a Sotheby's auction last year. The 1921 picture, by Bloomsbury artist Mark Gertler, now hangs in Bryan's Sussex mansion. Anthea, 50, of Hampstead, North London, said: "Bryan did not know that it had been stolen. Of course, he is in no way to blame. But I would be very grateful if he would return it. It was given to my great-grandmother by Mark Gertler when he was lodging with her. "It was passed down to my mother and I inherited it while I was little, but it was stolen from me by someone who I mistakenly trusted. I have great affection for the painting and would be overjoyed if he gave it back." Gertler, who committed suicide just before the Second World War, was a member of the famous Bloomsbury set which included novelist Virginia Wolfe and writer Lytton Strachey. A police spokesman said last night: "The theft of this painting has been the subject of a criminal investigation. We discovered that after the picture had been stolen it had then been sold on before appearing at a Sotheby's auction. "It was bought by Bryan Ferry, who would obviously not have known that it was stolen. We have since informed Mr Ferry that he must not sell the painting on until the criminal investigation has come to its full conclusion. "After that, the ownership of the painting may have to be resolved by civil proceedings between Mr Ferry and Mrs Ryan." A spokesman for Bryan Ferry last night said he thought it was unlikely he would want to return it. He added: "This is obviously a personal matter between Mr Ferry and the lady from whom the painting was stolen." (c) Mirror Group Ltd, 1999. SUNDAY MIRROR 07/03/1999 P37 ______________________________________________________________________ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. 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A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk ______________________________________________________________________ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:58:02 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] the american meeting hans wrote: Martin wrote: >Gareth McGinley and I are finally meeting in the flesh this upcoming weekend >to discuss the project and, well, get drunk. > Heather wrote: Well, it may interest you to know that three of us >Avalonians are getting together this Friday in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Brits >don't get to have ALL the fun, y'know. We want to know what happened..... Han well, damn kim -- you beat me to it! i was going to tell everyone about how we got together, got plastered and played strip poker. and how everyone kept calling me bryan ... 'cancelled flight(s) ...' -- yeah, *right* ...! peaces/ms Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:15:07 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: [AVALON] the american meeting -Reply Well Mark - we can tell THAT story, and MORE, after we meet THIS weekend!! Hold your horses - !! And you know darn WELL how bad the weather was last weekend - if I'm nothing - - I'm honest and I was canceled by Northwest!! TRUST me!! And we STILL haven't heard word one from Martino OR Gareth!! Kim >>> "mark shanahan" 03/10/99 11:58am >>> hans wrote: Martin wrote: >Gareth McGinley and I are finally meeting in the flesh this upcoming weekend >to discuss the project and, well, get drunk. > Heather wrote: Well, it may interest you to know that three of us >Avalonians are getting together this Friday in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Brits >don't get to have ALL the fun, y'know. We want to know what happened..... Han well, damn kim -- you beat me to it! i was going to tell everyone about how we got together, got plastered and played strip poker. and how everyone kept calling me bryan ... 'cancelled flight(s) ...' -- yeah, *right* ...! peaces/ms Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:12:18 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dodgy geezer Great story Chris. I've posted it to my pal who does the GLR breakfast show and he hopes to follow it up Thursday or Friday - ---------- >From: "Garratt, Chris" >To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Subject: [AVALON] Dodgy geezer >Date: Wed, Mar 10, 1999, 4:54 pm > >EXCLUSIVE By RUPERT HAMER. >A STRUGGLING single mother last night pleaded with millionaire rock star >Bryan Ferry to return a stolen painting to her. >The former Roxy Music singer paid #25,000 for the rare picture not >knowing it had been taken from Anthea Ryan five years ago. >Now Anthea may have to take the wealthy rock idol to court to decide who >keeps the painting. >Bryan, 53, bought the still life - showing apples and a bottle of wine >resting on a copy of the Mirror - at a Sotheby's auction last year. >The 1921 picture, by Bloomsbury artist Mark Gertler, now hangs in >Bryan's Sussex mansion. Anthea, 50, of Hampstead, North London, said: >"Bryan did not know that it had been stolen. Of course, he is in no way >to blame. But I would be very grateful if he would return it. It was >given to my great-grandmother by Mark Gertler when he was lodging with >her. >"It was passed down to my mother and I inherited it while I was little, >but it was stolen from me by someone who I mistakenly trusted. I have >great affection for the painting and would be overjoyed if he gave it >back." >Gertler, who committed suicide just before the Second World War, was a >member of the famous Bloomsbury set which included novelist Virginia >Wolfe and writer Lytton Strachey. A police spokesman said last night: >"The theft of this painting has been the subject of a criminal >investigation. We discovered that after the picture had been stolen it >had then been sold on before appearing at a Sotheby's auction. >"It was bought by Bryan Ferry, who would obviously not have known that >it was stolen. We have since informed Mr Ferry that he must not sell the >painting on until the criminal investigation has come to its full >conclusion. >"After that, the ownership of the painting may have to be resolved by >civil proceedings between Mr Ferry and Mrs Ryan." >A spokesman for Bryan Ferry last night said he thought it was unlikely >he would want to return it. >He added: "This is obviously a personal matter between Mr Ferry and the >lady from whom the painting was stolen." >(c) Mirror Group Ltd, 1999. >SUNDAY MIRROR 07/03/1999 P37 > >______________________________________________________________________ > > >The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally >privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email >by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person >other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no >such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or >otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, >on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain >confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us >immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. >Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain >vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be >identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of >this email or such documents. > >A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can >be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk > >______________________________________________________________________ > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:43:55 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] An evening with Mr.Stockman Han, Since you asked here is my version of events of meeting the legendary Mr. Martini on Friday 5th of March: Access my mail on Friday morning to find that one of the aptly named "brat pack" has signed off his message with "Don't forget to clean behind your ears". Give the old codger a buzz and he informs me he'll be wearing his best brown suit "just to annoy everyone". Can't help thinking on my way up to Camden that I'm travelling on the tube to meet a tube. Cautiously make my way into The Enterprise. Oh hell....the first thing I notice is a guy in a brown suit. Not even Bryan in his most ironic of moods ever wore a brown suit. Will I just leave now? After all somebody with the nerve to wear a brown suit would think nothing of bursting into a verse of "In Every Dream Home A Heartache" in the middle of an Irish bar. Approach the brown suited one "are...are you Martin" I ask. "No.....sorry mate". Phew...relief like only a monk who has broken a 40 year vow of chastity can explain. Standing on my own, supping at a pint of lager, I notice a guy at the bar reading a newspaper. By my much flaunted powers of deduction I decide that the only other literate person in this bar would be a fellow Ferry fan. And it is him, it is the man who broke a million hearts on Avalon when he announced he was married. There's a lot to talk about, not least the famous blindfold story, and who or what is Bahi Para? And oh yeah, Jerry is still very much in wily old Bry's all too vivid imagination....let's say no more. On the way to our next port of call we pass the Roundhouse, venue of a 1974 Roxy gig that changed Martini's life though thankfully not to the extreme that he ended up wearing a brown suit 25 years later. The influence of an Irish wife is in evidence as the man whose French has at times put the final verse of "A Song for Europe" to shame announces "I have to go for a piss". Leaves me wondering if Bryan "private" ever comes out with similar phrases after a few beers. On my own return from the lavatory old Stockey produces a dinner invitation of a few years old addressed to him from none other than Bryan Ferry. And get this folks...he didn't go. Ho,.....suddenly a guy in a brown suit seems quite normal. We make our way to Stockmanville whose garden latches on to that of the gentleman of rock...Liam Gallagher. Martini's wife Joanne is on the sofa singing "I wish I was in Carrickfergus" in rather desperate tones. Despite being a Ferry fan herself she more than once has cause to roll her eyes to the heavens as us Roxy anoraks discuss our fantasy world of Avalonia. Joking aside though folks I can assure you that this video compilation is going to be great. Some extraordinary footage that Ferry himself would never put on video. The best by far is the French sitcom. If you liked the irony of early Roxy then you will absolutely love this. Don't want to give the story away except to say that Bry speaks like Prince Charles and has a grin on him like a Chesire cat throughout. It is also the precursor to Julio Geordio (of Harry Enfield fame) as our man mixes his dialect between English and French. There is also a brilliant interview in which Bryan clearly does not want to answer questions, besides a classic 1980 concert performance of Thrill Of It All in Dortmund. The first Roxy TV performance (Ladytron on OGWT) is in there also but the surprise of the night was yet to come. Yes Martini Stockman himself is a TV star, albeit on a dodgy satelite station. Sitting on a sunswept balcony complete with straw sunhat, shorts, and a baggy short sleeved shirt and reminiscent of a posture adopted by our own Mr. Ferry Martini is the feature contributor on a programme dedicated to "Bond.....James Bond". And he doesn't let the opportunity go without giving old Bry a mention, this in relation to the soft porn version of Bond. Of course by now I'm screaming that this "has to go on the video compilation". Wouldn't it be great if we could convince Bryan to open the video by recreating the Bond opening? After all this excitement it's time for a minutes shut eye. And literally so. At a ridicolous hour I have two junior Stockman's jumping all over me, tuning into Fireman Sam, and worst of all singing Blondie. What next I ask and then I get my answer as Stockman arises crooning "Tous Ces Moments". He even cooks his wife and myself an Irish breakfast. Martin Stockman or Martin Strangeman? A morning of listening to the beutiful Bryan vocals gets the day off to a great start before it's time for me to say goodbye. I set off assuring my British friend that Ireland will slaughter England in the Rugby. How wrong my prophecy would turn out to be. A pleasure it's been, Thanks Martin. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:52:02 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalonia : The Video John, I watched the video on Friday night and in relation to your query below I've checked up my sources and it is in fact a short haired Andy Newmark who replaced Paul Thompson after he had broken his thumb. Gareth >talking of the 1980 Dortmund video :- > ><< It ends with that wild outro riff and > the band - Andy, Phil, Tibbs, Hubbard - in a horseshoe around Ferry, as if > circling on their prey. Just when I thought I'd seen it all... > >> > >I sent this video to Martin, so I know what it looks like , but I notice there >is no mention of the drummer . I don't recognise him, does anyone know who it >is. > >John O'Brien > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:00:34 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] An evening with Mr.Stockman On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, gareth mc ginley wrote: > also but the surprise of the night was yet to come. Yes Martini > Stockman himself is a TV star, albeit on a dodgy satelite station. > Sitting on a sunswept balcony complete with straw sunhat, shorts, and a > baggy short sleeved shirt and reminiscent of a posture adopted by our > own Mr. Ferry Martini is the feature contributor on a programme > dedicated to "Bond.....James Bond". And he doesn't let the opportunity > go without giving old Bry a mention, this in relation to the soft porn > version of Bond. Of course by now I'm screaming that this "has to go on > the video compilation". If it doesn't, what WILL be the point of said compilation? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:14:27 -0600 (CST) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] the american meeting -Reply Err, is there a conspiracy I should know about? Is this going to be like a Bardot flick? http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Kimberly Shell wrote: > Well Mark - we can tell THAT story, and MORE, after we meet > THIS weekend!! Hold your horses - !! And you know darn > WELL how bad the weather was last weekend - if I'm nothing > - I'm honest and I was canceled by Northwest!! TRUST me!! > > And we STILL haven't heard word one from Martino OR > Gareth!! > Kim > > >>> "mark shanahan" > 03/10/99 11:58am >>> > hans wrote: > > Martin wrote: > >Gareth McGinley and I are finally meeting in the flesh this > upcoming > weekend > >to discuss the project and, well, get drunk. > > > Heather wrote: > Well, it may interest you to know that three of us > >Avalonians are getting together this Friday in Ann Arbor, > Michigan. > Brits > >don't get to have ALL the fun, y'know. > > We want to know what happened..... > > Han > > well, damn kim -- you beat me to it! i was going to tell > everyone about > how we got together, got plastered and played strip poker. > and how > everyone kept calling me bryan ... 'cancelled flight(s) ...' -- > yeah, > *right* ...! > > peaces/ms > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:18:03 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] The old sexism chesnut In the haze of the excitement over the possibility of glimpsing The Great Martini--being part of the throngs of disappointed femmes--I forgot to comment on this earlier: On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Heather Marie Propes wrote: > Yes, but don't you think there's a touch of grunge in Mamouma? I mean, > aren't there references to trailer-park camp culture, Vegas, etc? I > thought that was a sort of "bluesy" nineties take on the old Ferry swank. In the words of an Avalonian who is admired by some of you, GUH. Ferry and grunge in the same sentence? Say it ain't so, [Tokyo] Joe. Alternatively, Heather, can you provide an example or two for us slow students? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #82 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest