From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V4 #69 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, February 26 1999 Volume 04 : Number 069 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] REGARDING KFOG ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Bittersweet ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Hello Stephen -Reply [Kimberly Shell ] Re: [AVALON] Bass Player Mystry ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Airplay [JObinv01@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: Airplay ["Richard Swift" ] [AVALON] Re: Stephen's CDs ["Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] REGARDING KFOG - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Greenberg To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] REGARDING KFOG >Helene, >I am hurting for KFOG myself. I am a native of Alameda (East Bay near the >throbbing metropolis of Oakland). I go here everyday >http://www.broadcast.com/radio/adult_album_alternative/kfog/ >and somehow Atlanta seems almost liveable. > >Boy I gotta move outta Atlanta before I go nuts. > >Michael >>From: Helchat@aol.com >>-wfs said. >> >>>now than most times I've tuned in over the past decade)> >> >>I wish I had the luxury of listening to KFOG out where I live in the eastern >>CA boondocks. >>Helene The only station I can get is Dolly Parton`s WDLY. So....SHUT UP....ALL OF YOU! Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:48:34 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bittersweet - -----Original Message----- From: ASchulberg@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bittersweet >In a message dated 99-02-23 19:09:49 EST, you write: > ><< I can confirm that it`s recorded in Boston, but since there is no band > introduction (unless is was cut along with the end of If There Is Something) > there is no telling who was on bass. But the harmonies are indeed very good. >>> > >Especially on The Thrill of It All, there's some separation of the voices and >the backing vocal sounds a lot like Wetton's sometimes *straining* quality. >Very familiar to me from his King Crimson days. > >Arnie Unfortunately, the WRMB record label never added info to their releases other than track list, date (and it`s wrong on this boot), city it was recorded and all of their releases were labeled stereo or "stereo compatible" (I love that one) weather it was or not. They usually pressed a number of copies on colored vinyl and judging by the two black vinyl boots I have on that label, they were high quality virgin vinyl pressings. You can hold it up to a light bulb and just make out the writing on the bulb. They`re almost translucent. Unlike the top boot labels like TMOQ, TARKL, Saturated, and Anti-Gravity, they didn`t have a lot of money behind them nor the professional engineers like the mysterious Wizardo (aka W.Z. Ardo), "The Doc", or Deek Kibard. When you saw these names on a boot, you knew you were getting a quality LP with all the info, plus those hilarious liner notes. Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:25:49 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Hello Stephen -Reply <> Forgive me for not sending a welcome also - it's lovely to hear from you! I'm here in Chicago, USA (BTW) and am VERY happy to hear that Bryan and Roxy are STILL gaining new fans all over the world!! Kim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 08:29:03 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: Re: [AVALON] REGARDING KFOG -Reply < Gene>> Oh my GOOOOODDDD! You POOR thing! I thought I had it bad!! Kim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:19:44 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Hello Stephen Hey Stephen we've got something in common. I'm also a 21 year old ardent Roxy/ Ferry fan. I felt obliged to reply because the two records you are planning to buy (Roxy Music and Mamouna) are my two faves. They add a serious amount to Ferry's credentials and I advise you to go straight out and buy them. You will probably find Roxy's first album a bit obscure to start with but stick with it, it's meant to be experimental and it's an absolute classic. Mamouna is a very dark affair, very much an underrated album on which Ferry has honed the technical side of things to perfection. Overall two of the best lyrical albums he's done as well. I must say that there remains quite a big gap in your collection because besides these two albums no Ferry collection is near complete without "The Bride Stripped Bare" (an aggressive, passionate affair) or 'For Your Pleasure" which catches the sheer flavour of what Roxy Music was all about. I'll shut up now even though I could go on and on about all the other masterpieces that our hero has created in addition. Good luck and hope you enjoy this list. Gareth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:37:48 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bass Player Mystry > >I'm still unclear on who is who. The bass player with the Eno version ofRoxy on >Musicladen video, is this John Gustafson? The guy who plays >on 'All I Want is You" on the same video, also seen on Recall, is this >John Wetton? I know Gustafson played on "Both Ends Burning" >on "Viva". Wetton played on the "In Your Mind" Tour. >But I don't know the faces. Anybody??? > >Jim Jim, You're right about Wetton, he was the one that played with Roxy on Total Recall (All I Want Is You). I think he also appeared on the same video singing with Bryan on the "In Your Mind Tour". Always thought he was the second coolest man ever to be part of Roxy with the exception of you know who. Seems like a quality musician of massive proportions to me. What else has he done apart from working with Roxy, Crimson, and Manzenara? With regards to Gustaffson well I haven't seen the Musikladen video but he also appeared on Total Recall (Street Life). Looks like a baby faced Ron Wood, I think. If the Musikladen video with Eno in it is the one I'm thinking off (Virginia Plain on Total Recall) then I think this was John Porter. It's all a bit confusing keeping track of the bass players and somebody mentioned one yesterday (Both Ends Burning on Viva) that I'd never even heard of before. Another one is Sala Madia (I know it's wrong but it's something like that anyway). How good was he? Look forward to some answers for a change, Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:15:01 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Airplay > >The impression I have is that Bryan is, and has been for some time , >regarded more highly by U.S. radio and other branches of the media than in >his home country. British mainstream radio is a shadow of its former self >with, it seems to me, an ever narrowing breadth of music on their playlists, >which is dictated more by the artist's age as the quality of their music. >This is evident to a small extent in releases ... why apart from possible >copyright / license issues would "Help me" be released in the U.S. but not >the U.K.? Similarly why would "Is Your Love Strong Enough?" be included on >the U.S. soundtrack of the film "Legend" but omitted altogether from the >U.K. (European?) version. Why does so much of Bryan's work - including new >tracks like "Dance With Life" appear in U.S. films? Now before someone >jumps in and says it, I can't believe it's because Americans have more taste >than Brits!! But if someone over there can identify the reason then bottle >it and send it back here - we need it. >Richard Sorry to say Richard but I think you're wrong big time here. I think mainstream music is a joke here in Britain. As for America, and I don't want to offend anyone, but I think it's even more pathetic over there. I noticed the big difference between VH1 in the States is that all the media seems to be interested in is who trashed which hotel room, and who took what type of drug or whatever. Either that or it's all cuddly, easy listening stuff that has about as much pulse to it as a rock. The majority seem to have very little appreciation of good music. I'm not sure when Help Me was released in the States but it would not surprise me a bit if it was released straight after Kiss and Tell which was of course Ferry's biggest American hit yet. I think if Ferry had released Dance With Life here in Britain he would have ended up with more egg on his face than it would have been worth. You can just imagine an NME review... "Former Roxy Music genius Bryan Ferry is really moving on...his latest single gained inspiration from the Baywatch theme". Ferry has only ever wanted to break the States for money reasons and that is the one thing about him that disappoints me. The reason you might here more of his songs on the radio over there is because plain and simple they have about 100 times the number of stations that we do. I suppose of all the DJ's you're bound to get 1 or 2 fans amongst them. Anyway, sorry to be so sceptical but I hope some of you can see my point of view, Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:42:38 EST From: JObinv01@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Airplay In a message dated 25/02/99 20:19:25 GMT, you write: << I'm not sure when Help Me was released in the States but it would not surprise me a bit if it was released straight after Kiss and Tell >> help Me was released in 1986 in USA - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:15:15 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Airplay Gareth - I think a lot of what you say is valid - I base my thoughts on the bits and pieces I pick up - 'apparent' airplay in the US v. little in the UK, favourable US album reviews v. a largely indifferent UK press, releases in the US not made available in the home market. However I've not so far visited the States so have nothing concrete with which to dispute other things you say. One thing I would say is that I think a lot of people over estimate the input an artist has into the way his or her records are released or marketed. I've no doubt that Bryan has wanted - and probably still wants - to crack America ... who wouldn't? But I doubt that he (or many other artists) has the clout to say what records are released - record companies make these decisions and it was undoubtedly them that decided to release "Help Me" in the U.S. - in the expectation of making themselves some money - not money for the performer. As for the NME I'd be surprised if Bryan or many of his fan's any longer attach any importance to what this paper says. I would imagine that people who buy or are likely to buy Bryan's music are mainly of an age (yourself and Stephen being obvious exceptions!) where, if they buy a music mag at all, it's likely to be "Mojo" or the like (I think this might be borne out to some extent by the advertisements Virgin place in the press at the time of new releases). Personally I attach far more importance to what mags like "Mojo" say - who concentrate on AOR (if that's an appropriate phrase??) - than NME / Melody Maker who largely concentrate on a different readership with different musical tastes. Anyway - nice to hear from you. Regards, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: gareth mc ginley To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Airplay > > > > >> >>The impression I have is that Bryan is, and has been for some time , >>regarded more highly by U.S. radio and other branches of the media than >in >>his home country. British mainstream radio is a shadow of its former >self >>with, it seems to me, an ever narrowing breadth of music on their >playlists, >>which is dictated more by the artist's age as the quality of their >music. >>This is evident to a small extent in releases ... why apart from >possible >>copyright / license issues would "Help me" be released in the U.S. but >not >>the U.K.? Similarly why would "Is Your Love Strong Enough?" be included >on >>the U.S. soundtrack of the film "Legend" but omitted altogether from >the >>U.K. (European?) version. Why does so much of Bryan's work - including >new >>tracks like "Dance With Life" appear in U.S. films? Now before someone >>jumps in and says it, I can't believe it's because Americans have more >taste >>than Brits!! But if someone over there can identify the reason then >bottle >>it and send it back here - we need it. >>Richard > > > > >Sorry to say Richard but I think you're wrong big time here. I think >mainstream music is a joke here in Britain. As for America, and I don't >want to offend anyone, but I think it's even more pathetic over there. >I noticed the big difference between VH1 in the States is that all the >media seems to be interested in is who trashed which hotel room, and who >took what type of drug or whatever. Either that or it's all cuddly, >easy listening stuff that has about as much pulse to it as a rock. The >majority seem to have very little appreciation of good music. I'm not >sure when Help Me was released in the States but it would not surprise >me a bit if it was released straight after Kiss and Tell which was of >course Ferry's biggest American hit yet. I think if Ferry had released >Dance With Life here in Britain he would have ended up with more egg on >his face than it would have been worth. You can just imagine an NME >review... "Former Roxy Music genius Bryan Ferry is really moving >on...his latest single gained inspiration from the Baywatch theme". >Ferry has only ever wanted to break the States for money reasons and >that is the one thing about him that disappoints me. >The reason you might here more of his songs on the radio over there is >because plain and simple they have about 100 times the number of >stations that we do. I suppose of all the DJ's you're bound to get 1 or >2 fans amongst them. > >Anyway, sorry to be so sceptical but I hope some of you can see my point >of view, > >Gareth > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:34:42 -0000 From: "Richard Swift" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Stephen's CDs Stephen I would love to say buy this album or that album next but I find it almost impossible to pick favourites. I think Gareth has described "Mamouna" well and he's right to flag up "The Bride Stripped Bare" - one of Bryan's least successful albums but critically acclaimed at the time of release (and since) and (I think) a favourite amongst fans - tracks like "Sign of the Times", "Can't Let Go" and "Carrickfergus" being real gems. As for Roxy again Gareth is right to point you in the direction of "For Your Pleasure", an album which fairly often features in critics' lists of top 100 / 500 etc. albums of all time. But the follow up - "Stranded" (Roxy's first UK no. 1 album) has some marvellous moments - the gentle reflectiveness of "Sunset" contrasting markedly with the big production sound of "Serenade" and "A Song For Europe" plus classics like "Street Life" and "Mother of Pearl". You have plenty to choose from - I was only thinking the other day how nice it would be to discover this body of work for the first time and get to know it. Happy listening! Regards, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Rice To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Hello Stephen > >Hi again. > >Thanks for the welcome Richard. We don't get to hear a lot of Bryan Ferry >or Roxy Music on the radio here in Australia. Here in Brisbane I've only >heard 'classic rock' stations play Let's Stick Together and More Than >This. If there are any other Aussies on this list who've heard others >then let me know. I've always liked the above songs so one day when I was >in the local music store I asked to listen to the More than This >compilation and was so impressed that I bought it. I knew some songs (Oh >Yeah, Avalon, Don't Stop the Dance) from the music they play in the shop >where I work. > >My collection so far consists of: Roxy Music - Siren, Country Life, Flesh >and Blood and Avalon. >Bryan Ferry - These Foolish Things, Let's Stick Together, Bete Noir and >Taxi and More than This. I was lucky to get Siren because it has >apparently been deleted in Aus, but I picked up an import for only $21.95. > >What is Mamouna like? Is it classic Ferry? I'm planning on getting the >first Roxy Music album next (if I can stretch my student budget). > >Stephen > >On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, Richard Swift wrote: > >> Hello Stephen. >> >> Nice to hear from someone just getting into Bryan / Roxy's work - the more >> the merrier! Since Bryan / Roxy do not not currently receive extensive >> airplay (in the UK at least) how did you latch onto their music? >> >> Which albums do you have so far? You should be able to pick up everything >> else either from good record shops or off the Internet (e.g. Music Boulevard >> / CD Now etc.) although you may also want to wait since the back catalogue >> is about to be remastered and re-released. >> >> You will pick up lots of information here but look out also for sites being >> developed at www.roxymusic.co.uk and www.bryanferry.co.uk >> >> If you haven't already done so I would also get in touch with Bryan's >> information service - details are in the most recent of Bryan's CDs and >the >> "More Than This" compilation. >> >> Look forward to hearing from you. >> >> Richard > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:03:57 -0500 From: jspellman@banet.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bass Player Mystry gareth mc ginley wrote: > You're right about Wetton, he was the one that played with Roxy on Total > Recall (All I Want Is You). I think he also appeared on the same video > singing with Bryan on the "In Your Mind Tour". Always thought he was > the second coolest man ever to be part of Roxy with the exception of you > know who. Seems like a quality musician of massive proportions to me. > What else has he done apart from working with Roxy, Crimson, and > Manzenara? > > With regards to Gustaffson well I haven't seen the Musikladen video but > he also appeared on Total Recall (Street Life). Looks like a baby faced > Ron Wood, I think. If the Musikladen video with Eno in it is the one > I'm thinking off (Virginia Plain on Total Recall) then I think this was > John Porter. > > It's all a bit confusing keeping track of the bass players and somebody > mentioned one yesterday (Both Ends Burning on Viva) that I'd never even > heard of before. Another one is Sala Madia (I know it's wrong but it's > something like that anyway). How good was he? Yes, most of the Musicladen video is the same band as Virginia Plain (live version) on Recall. This being Porter would make sense since he played on the 2nd album. This is one of, if not my favorite Roxy lineups. If you like the Roxy with Eno, this video is a must have. I have a Trouser Press from 1977 that has an interview with Bryan were he talks about "Viva". He says it was from 4 different shows over 3 years, and that "Both Ends Burning" was from the early part of the Siren tour, that had The Sirens and John Gustafson on bass. In the later legs of the Siren tour, they had Rick Wills and Sal Maida and dumped the Sirens. So I assume Wetton played with them in '74? Country Life tour? Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:16:29 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bass Player Mystry << What else has he (Wetton) done apart from working with Roxy, Crimson, and Manzenara? >> U.K. and a little band called Asia. Massive credentials. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V4 #69 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest