From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #303 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, December 12 1998 Volume 03 : Number 303 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] experimentation -Reply ["Garratt, Chris" ] Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 ["Jeff Barbanell" ] [AVALON] Who Taught Whom? [ASchulberg@aol.com] [AVALON] How I got into Roxy ["gareth mc ginley" ] Re: [AVALON] Rhett Davies [Cris ] [AVALON] 1st encounter ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] experimentation -Reply -Reply ["Han Snijders en Willy van de] Re: [AVALON] a good pairing? ["Han Snijders en Willy van der Geest" ] Re: [AVALON] The Shadow Knows: Link Wray Born May 2, 1929 Dunn, N.C. ["Ma] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:32:00 -0000 From: "Garratt, Chris" Subject: RE: [AVALON] experimentation -Reply > >Hey friends - Re; our compilation tape - my lawyer friend says > >to check out a UK copyright lawyer or the Internet, because > >their laws may be different, since it would be MADE there. If > >it were to be made here - she thinks it's borderline - but > >probably a no-no. > >Kim > > I see no harm, nobody is making a profit, > and no one is losing video sales because > the material is not for sale anywhere. > I've made/received Video's/CD's with > others on the list and thought nothing of it. > It's not like we are making copies of the > Mamouna album or Newtown video. And as my > former boss used to say "It's sometimes easier > to beg for forgiveness than it is to ask > for permission" > > Jim > > Sorry to spoil the party folks but just because there's no profit motive doesn't mean it's not illegal. Somebody owns the copyright on this stuff and what your doing is creating your own bootleg ... of course it's highly unlikely there'll be any repercussions ... but don't kid yourselves it's all above board. Bah humbug! E Scrooge. ********************************************************************** Email Disclaimer The information in this email is confidential and legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing Hammond Suddards client engagement letter. ********************************************************************** - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 05:10:54 -0800 From: "Vicente Dobroruka" Subject: [AVALON] Rhett Davies >what else is Rhett involved in producing wise??? Nothing too similar, but try Eno circa 75/77 - Rhett co-engineered and coproduced. Later, the excellent Cale/Eno LP Wrong Way Up - v different from the Ferry/Roxy work but fantastic. I think he's also done some B-52s stuff. I've been searching in vain to find more info about him and his other work. Eno background in the late 70s implies that he's a keyboards guru. Anyone have any other clues? All his Roxy/Ferry work has such a strong, continuous thread sound-wise. You forgot one of his major achievments, King Crimson... Almost 20 years since "Discipline", and still looks / sounds modern. Best wishes for all, Vicente - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:48:13 -0700 From: "Jeff Barbanell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 Jim wrote: >As someone who likes Bryan's later work, I still >can't deny any of this. I think he starting losing >that edge on the "Siren" album. But, I admire him for going >in a different direction. Safe was probably dangerous >for him. I believe his change in direction pointed >him towards a style that is cool for a guy in his >50's to be singing. Just wish he would do it once >in a while. My sentiments exactly. Even though "Mother of Pearl" had caught some radio airplay here in Phoenix, "Siren"'s blatent grab for disco limelight left a lot of us Roxy aficionados cold. However I was happy they had finally hit the bigtime (commercial radio-wise), this turn against the progressive-wave was only offset by some continued lyrical twists which were still rare in the mainstream (Elvis C. and Split Enz excepted). And the lyrical wordgames just seemed to stop altogether after Manifesto. Luckily for me, the new romanticism of Ultravox et al fit my burgeoning date-life. In that context, Roxy/Ferry's later suave atmospherics garnered a certain superiority to Phil Collins' Genesis pandering to the female audience. Suffice to say, as much as I missed the semi-exclusive boys' club, I was proud to have known the creator of the year's best "f**k album" before he was bedroom vogue. These days my wife and I can enjoy the pre- and post- "mainstream" works of Ferry, Gabriel, Finn and other odd progressives with a mixture of nostalgia (for me) and mood (for us) that was simply not available in their earlier (albeit more experimental) incarnations. Best, Jeff P.S., I heartily applaud the TV appearance video project. Was I hallucinating in circa 1975-1976 when I saw the Jobson/Viva! era Roxy on Saturday Night Live? That would be the one with the see-through violin. Or perhaps I'm confused with the Kirschner Rock Concert.... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:21:47 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: RE: [AVALON] experimentation -Reply -Reply Yeah - just because she says it may not be entirely legal - I say we go for it! kim >>> "Garratt, Chris" 12/11/98 03:32am >>> > >Hey friends - Re; our compilation tape - my lawyer friend says > >to check out a UK copyright lawyer or the Internet, because > >their laws may be different, since it would be MADE there. If > >it were to be made here - she thinks it's borderline - but > >probably a no-no. > >Kim > > I see no harm, nobody is making a profit, > and no one is losing video sales because > the material is not for sale anywhere. > I've made/received Video's/CD's with > others on the list and thought nothing of it. > It's not like we are making copies of the > Mamouna album or Newtown video. And as my > former boss used to say "It's sometimes easier > to beg for forgiveness than it is to ask > for permission" > > Jim > > Sorry to spoil the party folks but just because there's no profit motive doesn't mean it's not illegal. Somebody owns the copyright on this stuff and what your doing is creating your own bootleg ... of course it's highly unlikely there'll be any repercussions ... but don't kid yourselves it's all above board. Bah humbug! E Scrooge. ********************************************************************** Email Disclaimer The information in this email is confidential and legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing Hammond Suddards client engagement letter. ********************************************************************** - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:06:58 -0600 (CST) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: [AVALON] Scott Walker Hey, to whoever recommended Scott Walker, I finally got something by him ("It's Raining Today"). He's the greatest singer! I can definitely see his influence on not only Bryan Ferry, but also Nick Cave and Jarvis Cocker. (my favorite so far is "Jackie"). Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:00:01 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Who Taught Whom? Now I'm confused. A prior post suggested that Robin Trower took guitar lessons from Robert Fripp in 1974. Now a friend has sent me the following Fripp quote: " Robin Trower is one of the very few English guitarists that have mastered bends and wobbles. Not only has he got inside them, with an instinctive knowing of their affective power, but they went to live inside his hands. It is the rare English guitarist who has been able to stand alongside American guitarists and play with an equal authority to someone grounded in a fundamentally American Tradition. Trower has been widely criticized for his influences. This has never bothered me. I toured America in 1974 with Ten Years After top of the bill, King Crimson second, and Robin Trower bottom. The chart position were the opposite: TYA in the Billboard 160s, Crimson in the 60s, and Trower climbing remorselessly through the top twenty. Nearly every night I went out to listen to him. This was a man who hung himself on the details: the quality of sound, nuances of each inflection and tearing bend, and abandonment to feel the moment. He saved my life. Later, in England, he gave me guitar lessons." - -Robert Fripp, Wiltshire, England, November 19th, 1996 So, who taught whom? Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:08:30 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] How I got into Roxy I find this topic of how our list members got into RM/BF very interesting. One thing that limits a persons views on which phase was better (before or after 75) is what stage they were in their life when they first started listening to the music. Anybody who got into them pre 1975 is probably going to prefer that era, and the same for the post 1975 era. I happen to be in the unique position of never actually being in to the music until after the last Ferry studio album was released (Mamouna) i.e Ferry has never had a studio album out in all the time I have been a fan. Therefore perhaps I am able to give a more balanced view on which era was best. My answer is that both phases are completely incomparable, and that is not just a cop out. What I would say though is that I think Roxy's first album was the most interesting and Ferry's most recent album is the highest quality. Considering that there is a 22 year gap between the release of each then this is a pretty high accolade. How many other people could boast such a claim? I perhaps listen to the pre 1975 material more than the later stuff because it is more upbeat, a rare breed of music that can really put you in high spirits. Nobody can take away the uniqueness of this era. So few musicians ever create something unique, so when they do it should be given the highest of honours. By the same token although everything after 1975 was being done by other musicians, Ferry did it better than most of his contempraries. I was born in 1977. My parents believe that my infatuation with RM/BF is a result of a greatest hits they used to play in the car when I was about three. If this is true then it is completely subconscious as I have no recollection of them ever playing the tape. As a matter of discourse I played the tape of the first album in the car a few weeks ago and my parents hated it- they asked me if Ferry was 10 years old when he did it. My brother, aged 13, thought Ferry, on "If There Is Something", sounded like our uncle intentionally singing "Happy Birthday" out of tune. However he really likes it after hearing it a few more times. Anyway my next recollections of Ferry is seeing him on TV a few times in the 80's and thinking he was the coolest person I've ever seen. What finally got me into his music was that performance of Jealous Guy on the Danny Baker Show in 1994. I taped a few of his songs of Radio 1's "The BF Story" and loved them. The funny thing was I'd heard many of them before without actually realising he sang them. This I think is the same problem with most people my age. My friends are often surprised when I tell them that he sang Lets Stick Together which they all love. Next was when I found tapes of the first and third Roxy albums in my library. At first I thought they were abysmal, mostly due to the fact that this was my first venture into experimental music. However gradually I got to like them, until eventually I adored them. As a result I love experimenting with music like King Crimson, Velvet Underground, Bowie etc. I tink I'VE also probably spent more on RM/BF items over the last four years than anyone else. It's always worth it though, every album has it's seperate place. Continue to thrill us all Bryan with your passionate voice, and thoughtful lyrics. Gareth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:11:37 -0200 From: Cris Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rhett Davies Nice to see another Roxy fan out here in Brasil. I'm an Englishman out here working in Sao Paulo and just joined this list. There used to be a guy who advertised every month in Record Collector magazine in the UK who had a huge range of Roxy and Ferry merchandise but he seems to have stopped advertising. Does anybody remember his name ? I completed my collection of fully autographed Roxy album sleeves though him. They are all now framed and on the wall, or at least will be when the customs officials let my container out of the port at Santos. Favourite concert : Rainbow Theatre in London. "Thrill of it All" was the thrill of it all. Got the archive footage somewhere on video cassette. By the way if anybody does get to put a complilation together how about trying to find some 801, Mainstream and Explorers footage as well ? Pip pip Chris Measures Vicente Dobroruka wrote: > >what else is Rhett involved in producing wise??? > Nothing too similar, but try Eno circa 75/77 - Rhett co-engineered and > > coproduced. Later, the excellent Cale/Eno LP Wrong Way Up - v > different > from the Ferry/Roxy work but fantastic. I think he's also done some > B-52s > stuff. I've been searching in vain to find more info about him and his > > other work. Eno background in the late 70s implies that he's a > keyboards > guru. Anyone have any other clues? All his Roxy/Ferry work has such a > strong, continuous thread sound-wise. > > You forgot one of his major achievments, King Crimson... Almost 20 > years > since "Discipline", and still looks / sounds modern. > > Best wishes for all, > > Vicente > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:40:37 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] 1st encounter all this talk of first encounters w/roxy, et. al. has brought back some memories ... not that they're all that spectacular, more just chronological i suppose. i remember being quite the youngster and first hearing, of course, 'love is the drug' on the radio. to me, it seemed really very exotic somehow; maybe a *little* over my head at the time. i remember not being sure if i liked it or not, but -- even at (?) probably 10-11-12 years of age -- i could tell it was different than practically *anything* else you'd hear over the airways. this intrigued me. however, my pursuing interest in roxy really started in '82/'83 with ... can you guess?! starts with 'a' ... following this, i had a blue comet (the *even more* generic version of that beloved u.s. automobile, *the maverick*), in which there was a cassette player. upon this cassette player played many things, including roxy's 'siren', which i taped from a friend (sorry, bryan ...). i played that tape _so much_, the tape actually broke. honest-to-god, if any of you have ever seen 'animal house' (the film), the resulting scene was very similar to bluto's (john belushi) reaction to all of the booze being taken away -- where someone drops and breaks an entire bottle of something (whisky - whatever). i actually had to pull over; i was *so* into that tape ... whew! i'd forgotten all about that. yikes!! anyway, re: this compilation tape, i believe something similar occured on the sylvian list. if i recall correctly, people tried to do it 'officially', listing emphatically to sylvian's mgmt that there was no attempt at profit and that it was just intra-fan 'trading'. it seems to me that the response was one of a threat of legal action -- quite serious. you know, to me, i don't think there should be a problem, unless someone contacts the 'authorities', as it were. it *is* just fan item exchange ... i only wish i had something to contribute. have a pleasant weekend everyone! ms ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:41:01 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy van der Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] experimentation -Reply -Reply Somebody wrote: >Sorry to spoil the party folks but just because there's no profit >motive >doesn't mean it's not illegal. > >Somebody owns the copyright on this stuff and what your >doing is >creating your own bootleg ... of course it's highly unlikely >there'll be >any repercussions ... but don't kid yourselves it's all above >board. There we are all together in this new build ROXY MUSIC WING of an English prison. Watching Ferry on the Telly. You want to join? Sent in videotape now! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:09:30 +0100 From: "Han Snijders en Willy van der Geest" Subject: Re: [AVALON] a good pairing? Mark wrote: >this may seem to come from left field, but what about bryan getting >together with ryuichi sakamoto? i think that would be an interesting >match up. just an idea ... > >ms Sakomota did a cover of Tokyo Joe so there is a connection. But IMO Ferry need someone who has nothing to do with experimental side of the music Business. No Fripp or Cale but someone who can help him to work faster and a little bit more down to earth. More rhythm, blues, soul and grooves and less production is my idea. Maybe this Leadbelly coverproject you wrote about is a good idea produced by Brian Eno and Jerry Wexler. Han - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 15:03:53 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: Re: [AVALON] experimentation -Reply -Reply -Reply Han - VERY funny and what a great idea! We can all hang together in the prison and watch it over and over!! At least we'll all be able to meet face to face then! Kim >>> "Han Snijders en Willy van der Geest" 12/11/98 02:41pm >>> Somebody wrote: >Sorry to spoil the party folks but just because there's no profit >motive >doesn't mean it's not illegal. > >Somebody owns the copyright on this stuff and what your >doing is >creating your own bootleg ... of course it's highly unlikely >there'll be >any repercussions ... but don't kid yourselves it's all above >board. There we are all together in this new build ROXY MUSIC WING of an English prison. Watching Ferry on the Telly. You want to join? Sent in videotape now! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:14:34 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] experimentation -Reply -Reply - -----Original Message----- From: Han Snijders en Willy van der Geest To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] experimentation -Reply -Reply > > >There we are all together in this new build ROXY MUSIC WING of an English >prison. Watching Ferry on the Telly. You want to join? Sent in videotape >now! So, anyone have a relative who worked in an English prison? What are English prisons like? Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:45:53 -0500 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Who Taught Whom?/Experimentation With all this talk about experimentation, I thought I`d go off topic a bit for a few words about someone who`s credited with starting it all, but gets little or no recognition, a guitarist from N. Carolina by the name of Link Wray. In the 50`s, he and his band were billed as "Link Wray and the Wraymen". Most of the old-timers like Clapton, Gilmore, Richards, Page and especially the Who agree they would be nowhere if it hadn`t been for Wray. (Pete Townsend penned the liner notes for Wray`s '74 Greatest Hits lp and claims Wray was his inspiration to become a musician.) In the mid-late 50`s while Bill Haley was "Rockin Around The Clock", and Pat Boone was butchering "Tuttie Fruttie", Wray was developing what is now known as power chords, guitar effects, reverb and distortion (by punching holes in his speakers among other tricks). He was years ahead of his time. All of his experimentation finally bore fruit when he recorded an instrumental (most of his music is instrumental) in '57 called "Rumble". It was banned in many cities (including N.Y. of all places) because of it`s name (having to do with gang fights) and unconventional sound, but still managed to sell millions of copies and land Billboard`s #16 spot , mostly by word of mouth. While performers of that time were performing in suite and ties and played standing still with a plastic smile, Wray would show up in black leather and dark shades and sway and rock to his music with feeling. This didn`t make him a lot of friends with his record company and they never heavily promoted him. Although it`s considered tame by today`s standards, "Rumble" is credited with leading to what eventually became the electric sound we now know as rock music. "Rumble", and it`s follow up "Ramble", also appear on more movie sound tracks than any other song including, more recently, "Independence Day" and "Pulp Fiction." It`s the ultimate "I`m A Bad-ass" theme and most people will instantly recognize it. (And for you sick-o John Waters fans, Wray`s "The Shag" is the title song for his movie "Pink Flamingos") Anyone with RealPlayer can hear snippets of these tunes at the link below. (You`ll have to copy/paste the whole url) http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1195419112/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/al bum.html/ArtistID=FRN-WRAY*LINK/ddcn=SD-8122+71222+2 He`s now in his 70`s (he was 30 when he wrote "Rumble"), lives in Denmark and toured the U.S about two years ago playing 5 sold out nights in Atlanta. In '77, he teamed with Robert Gorden for an album. Gene - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:36:57 -0600 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Who Taught Whom?/Experimentation - -----Original Message----- From: Decophile To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Who Taught Whom?/Experimentation >With all this talk about experimentation, I thought I`d go off topic a bit >for a few words about someone who`s credited with starting it all, but gets >little or no recognition, >a guitarist from N. Carolina by the name of Link Wray. >In the 50`s, he and his band were billed as "Link Wray and the Wraymen". as a born and bred north carolinian i take great pleasure (and surprise) in his accomplishments. i had no idea he was from n.c. do you know what part? shades of the dB's! - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:39:08 -0600 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] a good pairing? - -----Original Message----- From: Han Snijders en Willy van der Geest To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] a good pairing? >Mark wrote: >>this may seem to come from left field, but what about bryan getting >>together with ryuichi sakamoto? i think that would be an interesting >>match up. just an idea ... >> >>ms > > >Sakomota did a cover of Tokyo Joe so there is a connection. But IMO Ferry >need someone who has nothing to do with experimental side of the music >Business. No Fripp or Cale but someone who can help him to work faster and a >little bit more down to earth. More rhythm, blues, soul and grooves and less >production is my idea. Maybe this Leadbelly coverproject you wrote about is >a good idea produced by Brian Eno and Jerry Wexler. > >Han my 'wish list' item from bf is a live album of new material with the attractions as a backing band and elvis costello as the producer. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:05:55 EST From: JVapor7@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] The Shadow Knows: Link Wray Born May 2, 1929 Dunn, N.C. My Fellow Avalonians, Since some actual good music has been mentioned in this glam-rock toilet bowl they call Avalon, allow me to chime in. If you are looking for violent, delirious emotion in your guitar playing a la Phil Manzanera, look no further than Link Wray--certainly the single greatest rock guitarist ever to walk the earth. Tough, sexy music full of heartbreak and desire. Vapor recommends: The 'Apache'/'Wild Side Of The City Lights' CD on Ace--recorded for a $1.98 when Wray was 60 and in top form 'Rumble!' CD, Rhino--a good introduction AVOID the hippie-dippy 'Guitar Preacher' on Polydor and specifically look for the following tracks: The Wild One I'm Branded Big City After Dark Jack The Ripper Vendetta The Earth Is Crying Genocide (truly unbelievable) Switchblade Alone (Vapor's theme song) **new contest coming soon** vapor - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:27:15 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Explorers - ---------- Chris Measures wrote.... > >By the way if anybody does get to put a complilation together how about >trying to find some 801, Mainstream and Explorers footage as well ? I've got a couple of Explorers singles on videotape. Their first single, Lorelei, is remarkably Roxyish - as the title suggests. The video is an almost cruel satire of Ferry's Avalon visual period - castles, eagles etc,- and Phil and Andy make no secret of their views on Bryan's posturing. I'll stick it on the compilation tape that Gareth and I are organising....more later. The other Explorers video is a wonderful arty piece, with an abstract work of fine art being constructed around the band as the song is being sung. I once met the Explorers vocalist standing next to me in the urinal of the Criterion Bar in London circa 1984. When I recognised him he nearly fainted. As we were washing our hands he told me that I was the only person ever to acknowledge him as a singer ! Nice guy, more Martin Fry looking than Bryan, .. did he do anything else ? And what's his damn name ? Regards all Martin S - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:36:32 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Shadow Knows: Link Wray Born May 2, 1929 Dunn, N.C. - ---------- >Since some actual good music has been mentioned in this glam-rock toilet bowl >they call Avalon, allow me to chime in. well I've read a lot about the vapor since I joined the list and your comeback gig lived up to hype, fondest / Martin S - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #303 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest