From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #299 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, December 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 299 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] RM before and after '79 ["Vicente Dobroruka" ] Re: [AVALON] In search of Eddie Riff.... ["Jason Gibbs" ] Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 ["alegna" ] Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 -Reply [Kimberly Shell ] Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 [Kicki Gustafsson ] Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 [Joseph Trum ] Re: [AVALON] the two Bryan Ferrys [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 [Bahi Para ] [AVALON] Fripp/Ferry ["Robert Fedder" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:38:21 -0800 From: "Vicente Dobroruka" Subject: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 Kicki wrore: "but the REAL Roxy, the VINTAGE Roxy, is the group on those first five records." Sorry to disagree. IMHO RM after '79 runs much smoother and safer - also not ground-breaking, but I never cared for that. In this respect, other artists always discovered new fields in more creative ways (e.g. King Crimson, Eno, Bowie). The myth of "Roxy golden five albums" never caught me. I found the first one especially unpleasant, with all the noise Eno made - IMHO, only "Sea Breezes" was worth the price. Anyway, I know I am not alone in this list in preferring the last 3 to the first 5 albums. Experiemtation is not everything in this field... Anyway, one thing I have to agree with you, Kicki: reunions are always pathetic, and RM's will also be this way. I would prefer to see BF solo again - even if I am mad about him, it is quite different to see him fail than to see a whole band with RM's reputation. I think in more or less 300 issues of AD no one ever talked about "Flesh & Blood". This is great RM for me, especially "Over You" and "My Only Love". Anyone agrees? Best wishes for all, Vicente - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:44:16 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Thrill of It All -Reply >Hello Vicki-new-blood! Vicki? I'm still Kicki as far as I'm concerned... :-) /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:02:34 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 Vicente wrore: > > Sorry to disagree. IMHO RM after '79 runs much smoother and safer - also >not ground-breaking, but I never cared for that. In this respect, other >artists always discovered new fields in more creative ways (e.g. King >Crimson, Eno, Bowie). The myth of "Roxy golden five albums" never caught me. >I found the first one especially unpleasant, with all the noise Eno made - >IMHO, only "Sea Breezes" was worth the price. Anyway, I know I am not alone >in this list in preferring the last 3 to the first 5 albums. Experiemtation >is not everything in this field... This is of course only matters of opinions and personal taste. If you prefer the later albums, fine, if I don't, well, that's fine too. That's the thing that disturbs me a bit with Paul Stump's book about Roxy - he states his own opinions about the music as if they are absolute, undeniable facts. It is, I guess, more common for the average "avid" Roxyfan to prefer the older albums, but I can also understand why the group chose to alter it's sound. It's difficult to be inventive and surprising and ironic on every single song you write, n'est-ce pas? I can understand Ferry if he wanted to do other things, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it. > Anyway, one thing I have to agree with you, Kicki: reunions are always >pathetic, and RM's will also be this way. I would prefer to see BF solo >again - even if I am mad about him, it is quite different to see him fail >than to see a whole band with RM's reputation. I totally agree. My darkest fear is that the reunion thing is based on only one thing: Money. Or rather the lack of it. > I think in more or less 300 issues of AD no one ever talked about "Flesh >& Blood". This is great RM for me, especially "Over You" and "My Only Love". >Anyone agrees? I quite like Oh Yeaho and Same Old Scene, but I haven't listened to the album since....oh, 1985? /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:31:55 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: [AVALON] Roxy fan club/Antony Price I am so very curious: Were any of you guys ever members of the English Roxy Music Club, run by a fellow namned Peter Leay? This list has made me incredibly nostalgic, and I just found some of the stuff from the club, old newsletters, presentations of band members (Bryan Ferry's height: 6ft 1 1/2", colour of hair: blue/black) and lots of other things. I joined the club twice, first in 1976 and then in 1979 (membership lasted a year) In March 1983, Antony Price held what was called a "Fashion Extravaganza" at the Camden Palace in London. I was there, in a white tuxedo and black bowtie from Miss Selfridge's, thank you very much (I have pictures!), brushing shoulders with Amanda Lear and Channel 4 or ITV (maybe both). They filmed the event and it aired on April the 16th (on ITV I think). Does anyone have a copy of that show??? Or know of someone who have? I later saw advertisements in The Face that you could buy cassettes from the production company, and I didn't buy one!! Stupid fool, I know, but I was only 20, staying in London as an au pair girl and VCR:s were expensive stuff. Please help! /Kicki G P.S I just found my diary and read what I wrote about the event: "Antony Price and I looked into each other's eyes TWICE!!!". Oh, dear. - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:56:29 -0500 From: Bob VanDyne Subject: Re: [AVALON] In search of Eddie Riff.... At 02:31 PM 12/9/98 +0800, you wrote: >Hello, new to the list so please be kind if a daft question... >I'm trying to locate on CD Andy MacKay's first solo but have had no luck to >date. Any suggestions? I posted a similer message some months ago but got no response. If you find it anywhere, please let us all know. Hey Rhino records! This sounds like a good project for you! Bob V. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:23:11 From: "Jason Gibbs" Subject: Re: [AVALON] In search of Eddie Riff.... On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:56:29 -0500, Bob VanDyne wrote: >At 02:31 PM 12/9/98 +0800, you wrote: >>Hello, new to the list so please be kind if a daft question... >>I'm trying to locate on CD Andy MacKay's first solo but have had no luck to >>date. Any suggestions? > >I posted a similer message some months ago but got no response. If you find >it anywhere, please let us all know. Hey Rhino records! This sounds like >a good >project for you! > http://www.vinyltap.co.uk are a good source for rare Ferry, Roxy, Eno, Manzanera and related LPs and CDs. I've bought a few from there in the past - including the Eddie Riff LP. Jason - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 05:59:32 PST From: "gareth mc ginley" Subject: [AVALON] updated t.v appearances I have told Martin that I am in support of his friend doing the compilation tape. Here is the list of updated t.v. appearances. I have written in block capitals the people who have the appearances on tape. Again please reply to any mistakes/ additions. 20th July1972: Old Grey Whistle Test (Ladytron and 2.H.B.) JOHN FULTON has former track 1972: Top of the Pops (Virginia Plain) 1972: Beat Club 1973: Old Grey Whistle Test (Do The Strand & In Every Dream Home a Heartache) 1973: Top of the Pops (Pyjamarama, A Hard Rains A Gonna Fall, & Street Life on various dates) 1973: Zurich (1 hr. TV special) 1973: Paris live TV show (gatecrashed by 2000 fans) 1973: London Live TV show (Ladytron & For Your Pleasure, as seen on Total Recall where presenter calls Ladytron "Try Out Girl") 1973: Stranded tour (2 seperate dates) DAVID 1974: Cilla Black ITV show (These Foolish Things and It's My Party) 1974: Twiggy's BBC TV show (What A Wonderful World & Smoke Gets In Your Eyes) 1974: Russell Harty TV show (It Aint Me Babe) 1974: Top of the Pops (All I Want Is You) MYSELF 1974: The Midnight Special (Out of the Blue & A Really Good Time) 1974/75: Don Kirshner's rock concert 1975: Supersonic (Love is The Drug & Both Ends Burning) JOHN FULTON 1975: Top of the Pops (Love is the Drug, Both Ends Burning, and You Go To My Head on various dates) 1975: Roxy Music live at the Beat Club. MYSELF 1975: Live performance of Love is the Drug (possibly in Wembly) MYSELF 1976: Stockholm Live. GENE 1977: Bryan Ferry live in Australia 1979: Kenny Everett Show (In the Midnight Hour, Sign of the Times, What Goes On, Trash, cameo appearance with Everett where he ignores all questions) JOHN FULTON January 1979: TV special benifit fro UNICEF (organised and hosted by ABBA, performed Dance Away at least) JOHN FULTON 1979: Official Dance Away video MYSELF 1979: Top of the Pops (Dance Away) MYSELF, HAN SNIJDERS 1979: The South Bank Show (interviews and live performances) 1979: Live London Show (may be same as above or "On the Road") GENE 1979: Petit Dejener Compris (Ferry's only outing as an actor) 1980: Top of the Pops (Oh Yeah) 1980: Rockplast Special (live from Germany, first airing of Jealous Guy) HAN SNIJDERS 1981: Live Concert 1982: Official videos for Avalon and More Than This REXY 1982: Top of the Pops (More Than This) 1982: Interview with Ferry on TV version of "The High Road", later edited for video release JOHN FULTON 1982: TV5 Special (performance of tracks from Avalon in Ireland) HAN SNIJDERS 1982: Toppop (Avalon) June 1984: A Midsummer Nights Tube (interview with Jools Holland on beach) JOHN FULTON 1985: Top of the Pops (various performances of Slave to Love & Dont Stop The Dance including satelite link up to Montreaux) JOHN FULTON, HAN SNIJDERS 1985: Noel Edmonds Late, Late Breakfast Show (Dont Stop the Dance & Windswept) JOHN FULTON 1985: Friday People (interview with Mike Smith) JOHN FULTON April 1985: Interview with Paul Gambaccini JOHN FULTON 13 July 1985: Live Aid (Sensation, Boys and Girls, Slave to Love & Jealous Guy) HAN SNIJDERS, JIM (latter 2 only) 1985: Live at Five (local N.Y.C. tv show) 1985: The Tube (video for Boys and Girls accompanying Anthony Price interview) 1985: The Tube (with Paula Yates, may be same as above) MARTIN STOCKMAN 1985: Toppop (Slave to Love) HAN SNIJDERS 1985: Record Gala in den Bosch (Slave to Love & Dont Stop the Dance) HAN SNIJDERS 1985: Saturday Picture Show (Interview with Gary Davies) JOHN FULTON 1985: Dont Stop The Dance at end of year festivals/ collections 1986: Top of the Pops (Is Your Love Strong Enough) 1986: Wogan (Is Your Love Strong Enough) JOHN FULTON 1986: Whistle Test Extra (1hr. Richard Skinner interview) BAHI PARA, HAN SNIJDERS 1987: Saturday Night Live (The Right Stuff & Kiss and Tell) JIM, EDWARD FOLKMANN, KIMBERLY SHELL, HAN SNIJDERS 1987: Diamond Award Festival (Ferry receives award) HAN SNIJDERS 1987: Official video for Help Me JOHN FULTON 1987: Dutch interview HAN SNIJDERS 1987/88: The Don Lane Show 1988: Wogan (The Right Stuff) JOHN FULTON 1988: Kids Chart Show (hosted by Kid Jensen, performed The Right Stuff) MARTIN STOCKMANN 21st June 1992: Without Walls, "This is Tomorrow" (Channel 4 documentary featuring Ferry and Richard Hamilton) 1993: Later with Jools Holland (Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow) HAN SNIJDERS 1993: Top of the Pops (Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow) JOHN FULTON 1993: VH1 90 second interview on Taxi JIM 1993: MTV 10 minute interview on Taxi (may be extension of above) HAN SNIJDERS 1993: HBO Entertainment Update (Short interview on Horoscope) 1993: The Tonight Show (I Put A Spell On You, Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow, and brief chat with Jay Leno) JIM 1994: Sound Bites (10 minute documentary on Mamouna) MYSELF 1994: Making of Mamouna (20 minute documentary, may be extension of above) JOHN FULTON 1994: Danny Baker Show (Jealous Guy & Mamouna) BAHI PARA, JOHN FULTON 1994: The Late Show with David Letterman (Love Is The Drug) EDWARD FOLKMANN 1995: Night of the Proms (Avalon, Lets Stick Together, Jealous Guy, Hey Jude) JOHN FULTON, HAN SNIJDERS (latter 3 only) 1996: Official video for Dance With Life JOHN FULTON 1996: Rollo Sister Bliss Monstermix Edit, official video REXY UNDATED Music Box Special (interviews and clips, two versions, one of 45 minutes, another of 50 minutes) HAN SNIJDERS Music Box Special: The Man Stripped Bare (50 mins) HAN SNIJDERS Wogan (Explorers perform Two Worlds Apart, and brief interview with Andy Mackay) JOHN FULTON Tokyo Joe (features most of Roxy/ Ferrys video appearances as well as studio performances, 30 mins) JOHN FULTON ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:15:55 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jealous Guy >Does anyone remember where they were 18 years >ago today? I was 21 and at home and my then girlfriend told me over the phone. She sat with a friend and sang Lennon songs. Daniel Daniel Atterbom *************** "Former Democratic U.S Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey Friday took the first step toward a run for the White House by establishing a committee exploring a possible presidential candidacy in 2000." Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare. This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for publication or re-distribution without my written permission. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:15:32 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Deep Throat >>I've just spoken to my "Deep Throat" and he assures me of the following... > >Who is this "Deep Throat"? Sound like a cheap pornomoviestar's. "Deep Throat" was the code-name for Bob Woodward's highly placed source in the White House during Watergate. Several people have been fingered, among them Nixon's chief of staff Alexander Haig. Woodward has said that he will not give the name until "Deep Throat" is dead. The name "Deep Throat" comes from the fact that the source spoke on "deep background", which is journalese for not being quoted directly. The source spoke with a throathy voice. Therefore Carl Bernstein named him "Deep Throat". Daniel Daniel Atterbom *************** "Former Democratic U.S Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey Friday took the first step toward a run for the White House by establishing a committee exploring a possible presidential candidacy in 2000." Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare. This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for publication or re-distribution without my written permission. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:24:37 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] updated t.v appearances >1980: Rockplast Special (live from Germany, first airing of Jealous Guy) HAN SNIJDERS I think this one was early 1981. Daniel Daniel Atterbom *************** "Former Democratic U.S Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey Friday took the first step toward a run for the White House by establishing a committee exploring a possible presidential candidacy in 2000." Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare. This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for publication or re-distribution without my written permission. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:26:48 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy in Q Mary wrote: >I've got that single and have also seen a couple more about in various 2nd >hand record shops in London. > >When I see one again I'll buy them up (if not too expensive) for anyone who >wants one. Up to 10 pounds is OK. Thank you. Roxy is mentioned a lot in the January issue, as an inspiration for REM and Pulp among other things. Daniel Daniel Atterbom *************** "Former Democratic U.S Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey Friday took the first step toward a run for the White House by establishing a committee exploring a possible presidential candidacy in 2000." Detta är ett privat och personligt brev, innehållet får inte utan särskilt medgivande publiceras eller på annat sätt spridas vidare. This is a private and personal letter, the content of which is not for publication or re-distribution without my written permission. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:36:33 -0800 From: "alegna" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 I've been on this mailing list for about 8 months and I'm so unnerved by all the experts who talk technical this and that when all I know is I think RM/BF best work is after 1979. Flesh+Blood starts the trend and everything afterwards I adore. I have some earlier CD's but they aren't the Roxy I grew up with and love. 'My Only Love' is one of the most poignant and simple songs that everytime I hear it, I just get blue. So, I agree! Angela "cha-ching" my 2 cents. - -----Original Message----- From: Vicente Dobroruka To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 2:41 AM Subject: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 >Kicki wrore: > >"but the REAL >Roxy, the VINTAGE Roxy, is the group on those first five records." > > Sorry to disagree. IMHO RM after '79 runs much smoother and safer - also >not ground-breaking, but I never cared for that. In this respect, other >artists always discovered new fields in more creative ways (e.g. King >Crimson, Eno, Bowie). The myth of "Roxy golden five albums" never caught me. >I found the first one especially unpleasant, with all the noise Eno made - >IMHO, only "Sea Breezes" was worth the price. Anyway, I know I am not alone >in this list in preferring the last 3 to the first 5 albums. Experiemtation >is not everything in this field... > Anyway, one thing I have to agree with you, Kicki: reunions are always >pathetic, and RM's will also be this way. I would prefer to see BF solo >again - even if I am mad about him, it is quite different to see him fail >than to see a whole band with RM's reputation. > I think in more or less 300 issues of AD no one ever talked about "Flesh >& Blood". This is great RM for me, especially "Over You" and "My Only Love". >Anyone agrees? > > > >Best wishes for all, > > >Vicente > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:58:55 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 -Reply Angela - I TOTALLY agree!! Maybe our age has something to do with it! Kim >>> "alegna" 12/09/98 09:36am >>> I've been on this mailing list for about 8 months and I'm so unnerved by all the experts who talk technical this and that when all I know is I think RM/BF best work is after 1979. Flesh+Blood starts the trend and everything afterwards I adore. I have some earlier CD's but they aren't the Roxy I grew up with and love. 'My Only Love' is one of the most poignant and simple songs that everytime I hear it, I just get blue. So, I agree! Angela "cha-ching" my 2 cents. - -----Original Message----- From: Vicente Dobroruka To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 2:41 AM Subject: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 >Kicki wrore: > >"but the REAL >Roxy, the VINTAGE Roxy, is the group on those first five records." > > Sorry to disagree. IMHO RM after '79 runs much smoother and safer - also >not ground-breaking, but I never cared for that. In this respect, other >artists always discovered new fields in more creative ways (e.g. King >Crimson, Eno, Bowie). The myth of "Roxy golden five albums" never caught me. >I found the first one especially unpleasant, with all the noise Eno made - >IMHO, only "Sea Breezes" was worth the price. Anyway, I know I am not alone >in this list in preferring the last 3 to the first 5 albums. Experiemtation >is not everything in this field... > Anyway, one thing I have to agree with you, Kicki: reunions are always >pathetic, and RM's will also be this way. I would prefer to see BF solo >again - even if I am mad about him, it is quite different to see him fail >than to see a whole band with RM's reputation. > I think in more or less 300 issues of AD no one ever talked about "Flesh >& Blood". This is great RM for me, especially "Over You" and "My Only Love". >Anyone agrees? > > > >Best wishes for all, > > >Vicente > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:57:55 -0500 (EST) From: becker@panther.adelphi.edu Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, alegna wrote: > I've been on this mailing list for about 8 months and I'm so unnerved by all > the experts who talk technical this and that when all I know is I think > RM/BF best work is after 1979. Flesh+Blood starts the trend and everything > afterwards I adore. I have some earlier CD's but they aren't the Roxy I > grew up with and love. 'My Only Love' is one of the most poignant and > simple songs that everytime I hear it, I just get blue. So, I agree! I guess it depends when you got into Roxy and with what material. I only got into them three or four years ago with a $3.99 tape of Viva!, so I have an affinity for the first six albums (Manifesto still blows me away every time I hear it). That's not to say I don't think Flesh And Blood and Avalon are good albums, but I would rate them below the first six. I also listen to stuff that has a harder edge to it, and I'd say that the first five albums fit that description more than the last three, so that probably helps that along. - --Don - -- Don Becker becker@panther.adelphi.edu http://www.adelphi.edu/don Unix System Administrator, Adelphi University "Loud cry from the shallows...lust feeds on the fear...walls crack under pressure...the end is getting near." --The Tea Party, "Alarum" - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:32:05 -0700 From: "Miles Goosens" Subject: [AVALON] the two Bryan Ferrys All this talk of which Roxy/Ferry period is best brings to mind my Theory of Bryan Ferry. Longtime Avalon subscribers will recognize it, but it's been years now since I last proffered it to the list, so here goes again... To me, the key distinction between the pre-1979 and post-1979 Ferry is this: Ferry used to make music that was *about* searching for "that something / just out of reach glowing / very Holy Grail" (and has any other artist ever done a song that encapsulates better their raison d'etre than "Mother of Pearl"?); now he makes music that tries to *be* that something, that unattainable shimmering ultimate object of beauty and desire. The frenetic musical experimentation of the early albums would be just as out of place on AVALON or BETE NOIRE as the layers of evocative guitars and propulsive percussion would be on FOR YOUR PLEASURE or ROXY MUSIC. Though I like both periods of his career equally, there's nothing wrong with preferring one or the other. Nevertheless, I think a better understanding of the thinking behind each period might open some minds. Cavalier dismissals of the later Ferry as "uninspired" or "easy listening" miss the mark just as much as the sneers at the "busy" early stuff by those who have spent all their time in "the soft, funky womb of Bryan Ferry" (as Robyn Hitchcock put it) with FLESH + BLOOD and beyond. Both of these groups are letting their expectations turn into blinders, keeping them from enjoying some truly special music. later, Miles - --- /====================================================================\ | Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com | | http://www.rsteviemoore.com outdoorminer@zdnetmail.com | | http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer | | | | "Why everything has to get in the way all the time I don't know." | | -- Janet Ingraham Dwyer | \====================================================================/ Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! ZDNet Mail - http://www.zdnetmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:51:26 -0500 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 >I've been on this mailing list for about 8 months and I'm so unnerved by all >the experts who talk technical this and that when all I know is I think >RM/BF best work is after 1979. Flesh+Blood starts the trend and everything >afterwards I adore. I have some earlier CD's but they aren't the Roxy I >grew up with and love. 'My Only Love' is one of the most poignant and >simple songs that everytime I hear it, I just get blue. So, I agree! >Angela >"cha-ching" my 2 cents. I don't really see it as "before and after". I like the heavy stuff. The 2nd and 4th albums my favorite. I like Manifesto and the band that played on that tour. I thought Flesh and Blood was the big change. I like the last 2 Roxy albums but as seen in the High Road video it just sounded (to me) ridiculous playing the older tunes. It was like "Both Ends Burning" as a show tune. I really dig the 2 Ferry albums from the 80's and thought the Bete Noir tour had much more in common with the old Roxy than did the 80's Roxy. I thought most of his band on the last tour was boring though, especially the singers. No need to get unnerved, we or only experts of our own opinions, and everyone is right for liking what they like. It's just fun to hear others opinions and the reasons they give to back them up. - -Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:53:37 PST From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] good news greetings everyone: i'm obviously new on the list -- maybe one week. also on the david sylvian mailing list ... for a bit longer. i don't even have the roxy/ferry catalog all on cd. so, comparitively speaking, i'm impressed w/all the knowledge/detail on this list. i feel like a real fair-weather fan. actually, i probably am. what i've found is that, well, i seem to really like the artists/musicians whose output is less than, oh say ... prolific? in this respect, ferry and sylvian are truly birds of a feather, n'est-ce pas? so, i join another list just to find out what the heck is going on with these people (the stores, etc., um ... *never, ever* know). anyway, looks good. re the following: >So, just to recap, in the next 6 months we have a new >Ferry album and tour, and also a Roxy reunion, new Roxy >album with the original five and a tour including >Eno and 2 drummers. All this with crumpled khakis. can it be true?! wowzie wow wow! um, that's a plateful! assuming it is, and responding to a few pleas as to whether roxy would be touring the states, my uninformed answer would be yes. at least i would think so, in this 'day and age'. i just can't see them *not* touring here now ... well, they _better_! the only fishy thing with all this wonderful news might (?) be the following ... that is, if ferry's going to be pushing a new album and roxy also have one, is this going to be a hybrid roxy/ferry tour with new material from both parties? is this possible? it seriously makes me doubt the veracity at least one part of this news. a great first post, knocking the idea that this could come off, right? well, maybe it will end up being a first in the annals of pop/rock music - --? it *would* be interesting, wouldn't it? at any rate and lastly, i personally would be very interested in contributing to the pool for one of these video compilations, though i unfortunately cannot contribute material. OK -- thanks! mark shanahan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:00:20 +0100 From: Kicki Gustafsson Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 >No need to get unnerved, we or only experts of our own opinions, >and everyone is right for liking what they like. It's just >fun to hear others opinions and the reasons they give to back them up. > > >-Jim I agree. What I wrote about vintage Roxy was of course MY opinion. I never stated it as a mathematical fact. /Kicki G - --------------------------- Kicki Gustafsson http://www.torget.se/users/k/KickiG kicki.gustafsson@op.se - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:06:50 -0600 From: Kimberly Shell Subject: [AVALON] good news -Reply Thanks for the input Mark! You are funny - and I hope you're RIGHT! Kim >>> "mark shanahan" 12/09/98 10:53am >>> greetings everyone: i'm obviously new on the list -- maybe one week. also on the david sylvian mailing list ... for a bit longer. i don't even have the roxy/ferry catalog all on cd. so, comparitively speaking, i'm impressed w/all the knowledge/detail on this list. i feel like a real fair-weather fan. actually, i probably am. what i've found is that, well, i seem to really like the artists/musicians whose output is less than, oh say ... prolific? in this respect, ferry and sylvian are truly birds of a feather, n'est-ce pas? so, i join another list just to find out what the heck is going on with these people (the stores, etc., um ... *never, ever* know). anyway, looks good. re the following: >So, just to recap, in the next 6 months we have a new >Ferry album and tour, and also a Roxy reunion, new Roxy >album with the original five and a tour including >Eno and 2 drummers. All this with crumpled khakis. can it be true?! wowzie wow wow! um, that's a plateful! assuming it is, and responding to a few pleas as to whether roxy would be touring the states, my uninformed answer would be yes. at least i would think so, in this 'day and age'. i just can't see them *not* touring here now ... well, they _better_! the only fishy thing with all this wonderful news might (?) be the following ... that is, if ferry's going to be pushing a new album and roxy also have one, is this going to be a hybrid roxy/ferry tour with new material from both parties? is this possible? it seriously makes me doubt the veracity at least one part of this news. a great first post, knocking the idea that this could come off, right? well, maybe it will end up being a first in the annals of pop/rock music - --? it *would* be interesting, wouldn't it? at any rate and lastly, i personally would be very interested in contributing to the pool for one of these video compilations, though i unfortunately cannot contribute material. OK -- thanks! mark shanahan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 15:08:26 -0600 From: Joseph Trum Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 > "but the REAL > Roxy, the VINTAGE Roxy, is the group on those first five records." > > Sorry to disagree. IMHO RM after '79 runs much smoother and safer - also > not ground-breaking, but I never cared for that. In this respect, other > artists always discovered new fields in more creative ways (e.g. King > Crimson, Eno, Bowie). The myth of "Roxy golden five albums" never caught me. > I found the first one especially unpleasant, with all the noise Eno made - > IMHO, only "Sea Breezes" was worth the price. Anyway, I know I am not alone > in this list in preferring the last 3 to the first 5 albums. Experiemtation > is not everything in this field... I prefer the 'golden period' stuff much more than the later stuff, however I consider Avalon the best album the band ever did. If I wa trying to get somebody interested in the band, Avalon would be about the last thing I would tell them about, but the general consistency of mood on that album is unmatched. But for greatest singular moments, it is tough to beat Bitter Sweet, A Song For Europe, Do the Strand, or Virginia Plain. > Anyway, one thing I have to agree with you, Kicki: reunions are always > pathetic, and RM's will also be this way. I would prefer to see BF solo > again - even if I am mad about him, it is quite different to see him fail > than to see a whole band with RM's reputation. The reunion is going to enable young people like me to actually see Roxy in concert, something that is obviously impossible without a time machine. The downside though is that the reunion probably stunts Brian's ever-evolving growth as a songwriter and the growing stature of himself as a solo performer. If there actually is a Roxy reunion record, it will probably sound like the early stuff done in the later style, which essentially gives the listener the best of neither. Although it will be interesting to see Brian collaborate with McKay/Manzanera again. Maybe this little burst of excitement will boost Brian out of the mental writer's cramp that he seems to have developed since the band broke up. I for one am absolutely thrilled about the prospect of a reunion. Joey Trum. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:15:45 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] the two Bryan Ferrys Miles Goosens wrote: >Ferry used to make music that was *about* searching for "that something / >just >out of reach glowing / very Holy Grail" [...] > now he makes music that tries to *be* that something, that >unattainable shimmering ultimate object of beauty and desire. Quite right, the music is often much more illustrative than it has been - but it's not all shimmering beauty... New Town (a great song) manages to sound like a dead end street, with its lyric also full of deliberate cliché; NYC delivers that repetitive, tense, "something's got to give" feeling, Windswept's surreal and hallucinatory lines, drifting in after "a tear on/ your pillow" sit atop layers of dreamy strings and percussion. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:14:21 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM before and after '79 Vicente Dobroruka wrote: > IMHO RM after '79 runs much smoother and safer [...] >The myth of "Roxy golden five albums" never caught me. Me neither but my favourites are the first two Roxy LPs and everything that Ferry has done since Roxy went quiet, the underrated Taxi included (but only just). Boys & Girls was probably the highlight - it aimed higher and said more than anything Ferry had been involved in for years - it was a real reinvention. The first two Roxy LPs seem like inspired examples of pop art. They're just brilliant - often poetic, sometimes unnerving, always complex. They stood, aloof, outside pop and rock music circles. From Country Life onward, it was great, literate rock music, with an unusual sense of completeness. Stranded was half and half, I guess. What's special about all that Roxy did, given their approach, is the sense of real emotion behind the cleverness. Real music... > "Flesh & Blood" [...] is great RM Agreed but can't listen to the insipid, uninspired version of The Midnight Hour; oddly, the Byrds cover (Eight Miles High) is fantastic. (Am I allowed to say I didn't really like the guitar solo on the original version?) Most of the F & B is the best unashamed pop music that Roxy did, complete with clever wordplay. And it was the first Ferry stuff that really grooved. But can anyone listen to Rain, Rain, Rain without pain, pain, pain? What a waste of studio time. Will Roxy recapture any of this? Will they be brave enough to try something *really* new? It would be horrible to hear them playing shallower and ever-faster versions of the old songs again. (Though I still desperately want to hear the version of "Mother of Pearl" that Ferry reportedly recorded for Horoscope.) Bryan's always a fan, as is CSJ Bofop, of the best cutting edge music (listen to FSOL's "Spell On You" remixes or the 7 minute Latin Limbo) - let's hope that Andy and Phil still are too, or we're in for a rough ride. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 98 16:47:51 UT From: "Robert Fedder" Subject: [AVALON] Fripp/Ferry - ---------- In a message dated 98-12-03 10:15:08 EST, you write: << In the early 80's when Robert Fripp was rehearsing his new band "Discipline" he told of playing a rehearsal tape for Bryan Ferry. If I'm not mistaken, Fripp said they were in the studio together working on a Ferry recording. He quoted Bryan saying "it sounds like King Crimson to me." >> I'm a devotee of both King Crimson and Roxy and this is the first time I've heard this story. Where did it come from? Fripp played on Nocturne, which was a b-side to one of the Boys and Girls singles - could this have been the same thing? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #299 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest