From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #277 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, November 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 277 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Roxy site [Mark Kraft ] [AVALON] Accurate Phil Manzanera Discography Please [larry buchalter ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy site [erik simpson ] [AVALON] Bowie site [erik simpson ] Re: [AVALON] Accurate Phil Manzanera Discography Please [erik simpson Subject: [AVALON] Roxy site Hello all.. first time posting to the group. I'm Mark, a Roxy Music fan working away in the Silicon Valley. Glad you're out there! I checked out the registration on the roxymusic.co.uk site's registration.. the information I got on the registrar of the site is The Website Construction Company http://www.website.co.uk/ Obviously, someone has hired someone.. I think that there might very well be a strong Roxy resurgence over the next year or two, largely due to the influence of Velvet Goldmine. It seems to be getting a lot of attention, especially in the U.K. Take a look at the BBC radio1 profile of the movie that they have kindly made available in RealAudio format. The URL is http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/archive/velvetgoldmine.html Enjoy! - Mark - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:38:52 -0800 From: larry buchalter Subject: [AVALON] Accurate Phil Manzanera Discography Please hi I rarely post here but I am interested in getting the order of Phil's solo albums without the repackaged editions . Please help me fill in the gaps. first go round with Roxy then- Diamond Head -atco/island 4/75 Quiet sun antillies 1975 801 live- island 11/76 801 listen now polydor 10/77 K-SCOPE polydor -9/78 second go round with Roxy, then Explorers 1985 (never heard it) Up in smoke year?? (never heard it) Crack the Whip(Manzanera/Mackay) I have an American Version 1987/0r 1988? Wetton / Manzanera - Geffen 1987 never heard it Mato Grosso with Brazillian Sergio Dias Black Sun 1990 never heard it Southern Cross 1990 never heard it was it is very most recent album of new material???? Am I Complete What were Primitive Guitars, Guitarissimo, Manzanera Collection(all repackaged collections)????, Christmas the Player, Live at the Karl Marx, Live at Manchester University,A Million Reasons Why, and One World ??? I am confused. THANK YOU Larry:) I Larry Buchalter Berkeley California - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:58:55 -0800 From: erik simpson Subject: [AVALON] Velvet Goldmine cd review Here's a review of the Velevet Goldmine soundtrack with substantially more significant and positive Roxy content than previously noted by me. Lifted verbatim from SONICNET; Long Live Glam! Anyone entranced by the film will want this album as a curio. By Kevin John I love glam because it was the hardest that pop ever rocked; the fiercest catchy choruses, nonsense sing-alongs, cosmopolitan travelogues, urbane chic, fruity vocals/themes, etc., ever crunched. It looked at the landscape of early-'70s Britain and saw a football field on one end and a discotheque at the other and all sorts of Platonic ideals in between: What if the 1910 Fruitgum Company weren't a bunch of studio hacks but an ambitious rock 'n' roll band instead? What if Anthony Newley's Broadway melodies had Burundi beats (or any rhythm at all)? What if Yes read Vogue instead of Kahlil Gibran and Norman Vincent Peale? Glam rockers made mincemeat (mincing all the while) of female musical distinctions (culturally aligned with pop) and male ones (ditto for rock). For anyone fed up with definitions or patterns of behavior petrified in stone, this was a liberating music indeed, as it extended out from genre/gender blend into matters of gesture, dress, image, identity, power, etc. The soundtrack to "Velvet Goldmine," Todd Haynes' gorgeous glam meta-biopic, does a lot of blending and blurring as well. Since a certain billionaire was too parsimonious with his seminal glam-rock catalog, Haynes had to turn to modern-day rockers for some amazing simulations. Shudder To Think's Bowie parodies/homages know the Ziggy Stardust tropes so well that you can't help but laugh at how perfectly they surround the past. "Ballad of Maxwell Demon" is an incredible "All The Young Dudes" rip. Then there are the covers, particularly the Roxy Music ones. If, like me, you got more out of the first six Roxy Music albums proper than you ever did out of Dark Side of the Moon, then you'll be pleased as punch to learn that Radiohead's Thom Yorke has a fruitful future in Karaoke. His Bryan Ferry impersonations on such early Roxy classics as "2HB" and "Ladytron" are absolutely jaw-dropping, so uncanny that I guarantee you could fool a Ferry freak for a few moments at least. And Jonathan Rhys-Meyers (who plays the film's Bowiesque lead character, Brian Slade) does good by Brian Eno's "Baby's on Fire." At first, all this play turned me off. Who would actually listen to an album of eerily precise covers and imagined hits more than once, I wondered. It seemed the only thing they had going for them was the fact that at least they weren't the tepid approximations of punk that lessened the impact of "Sid and Nancy." But after seeing the film and how beautifully Haynes deliberately confused history and fiction (how much we accept, for example, Rhys-Meyers singing the Eno song and having Shudder To Think sing the Bowiesque song for him because it's all strung together so seamlessly, just like the way we accept the image of a Barbie doll "singing" "Rainy Days and Mondays" in Haynes' earlier "Superstar"), the songs retained a rather delightful, prankish charm when I heard them again on the CD, a quality perfectly in keeping with the glam aesthetic. Of course, it helps, in the case of the covers, that the originals are so brilliant themselves, and, just for comparison's sake, four are included here: Eno's "Needle in the Camel's Eye," Lou Reed's "Satellite of Love," T. Rex's "Diamond Meadows" and, best of all, Roxy's impossibly great "Virginia Plain." My vote for the greatest millisecond in rock 'n' roll history is that moment 2:09, in which you can hear the pick on human fly Phil Manzanera's strings right before he enters that mind-melting guitar blam and prog synth duet with Eno, lending his entry a city-leveling power. And this is to ignore oboe, keyboard and engine-revving sound effects; lyrics that jet-set south of the border and through "The Last Picture Show" at the drive-in and make such moderne observations as "You're so sheer, you're so chic, teenage rebel of the week"; and an opening line ("Make me a deal and make it straight") delivered with the utmost queeniness. A few of the covers falter. Ewan McGregor's Iggy is simply no match for the original Lizard Queen on the Stooges' "T.V. Eye." The Igster's self- destructive self is too "there" in his songs and they remain uncoverable (just ask EMF). And there's no excuse for how abortively Teenage Fanclub and Elastica's Donna Matthews ignore the wall of noise in the New York Dolls' "Personality Crisis." But overall, anyone entranced by the film will want this soundtrack as a curio. Erik S - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:01:28 -0800 From: erik simpson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy site At 11:53 PM 11/13/98 +0100, you wrote: >Someone on the list once found (using an Internet search) that the >Roxy-related sites were registered by/on behalf of Phil Manzanera's Gallery >Studios. There are co.uk variations of one or two. Ferry's management (ie >management) have regsitered one for him, too, but it's empty. Hi; I've been wondering when we would actually see some content on either of theses sites. Last time I checked the Manzanera site (a few minutes ago) it had a date up (10/15/98), implying that it would be "active" on that date. The date was last month, so he (they?) missed that window at least. I'm anxious, as i suppose many on this list are, to see what they actually do with these sites. A common theme on this list seems to be that Roxy are WAY overdue for some recognition, at least in the States. Some kind of web presence couldn't hurt. Be Well. Bye; Erik S - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:03:17 -0800 From: erik simpson Subject: [AVALON] Bowie site At 02:37 PM 11/13/98 -0600, you wrote: >You're right, Kicki, that is very wierd! I heard that David Bowie now has >an ISP. I wonder if it could have anything to do with that! Hi; BTW, has anyone else noticed that Bowie currently has a "songwriting competition" on his web site. He wrote a new song, (which you can listen to) but left about 4 verses blank so that web enthusiasts who are so inclined can pen some lyrics for the song and maybe win an opportunity to see him record the song in the studio. Off topic as usual. Be Well. Bye; Erik S - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:44:33 -0800 From: erik simpson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Accurate Phil Manzanera Discography Please At 02:38 PM 11/14/98 -0800, you wrote: I can't offer any kind of definitive discography but maybe I can help with a few things; >first go round with Roxy then- > > >Diamond Head -atco/island 4/75 >Quiet sun antillies 1975 >801 live- island 11/76 >801 listen now polydor 10/77 >K-SCOPE polydor -9/78 > >second go round with Roxy, then > >Explorers 1985 (never heard it) >Up in smoke year?? (never heard it) >Crack the Whip(Manzanera/Mackay) I have an American Version 1987/0r 1988? >Wetton / Manzanera - Geffen 1987 never heard it The first Explorers album is contained between the 2 M&M albums ("Up In Smoke", "Crack The Whip") along with another albums worth of Explorers material. (I like the Explorers stuff for the most part, although often wished they had found a singer who owed a lot less to Ferry, stylistically. I can't stand the Wetton/Manzanera album. Some of the worst stuff I ever heard from either of them. IMHO, of course.) Manzanera, around this time also had a track ("Sphinx") on a compilation called "Guitar Speak" on Miles Copeland's No Speak series of instrumental albums for his IRS label (IRS/'88) . The liner notes at the time mentioned that Manzanera and Mackay (under the name AM/PM) were recording an instrumental album for the No Speak series, due in '89, which never materialised, to the best of my knowledge. Anyone else know different? >Mato Grosso with Brazillian Sergio Dias Black Sun 1990 never heard it >Southern Cross 1990 never heard it was it is very >most recent album of new material???? "Mato Grosso" was an instrumental thing, kind of "New-Ageish" in places, with a pronounced Latin flavor. I played it a lot when it first came out, but not much since. Some nice guitar playing. "Southern Cross" was Manzanera's last album of new studio material. I felt it was a bit overly slick and didn't care for it as much as his earlier stuff, although there was some nice stuff with Tim Finn and one strong instrumental. "Primitive Guitars" is an instrumental guitar album, primarily done solo by Manzanera. 1982/Virgin (sez my copy). Highly recommended. "Guitarissimo" is a compilation of previously released solo material. Very well done. ('87) "The Manzanera Collection" is a 2 disc compilation collection w/both previously released and some unreleased stuff. It fields its stuff from a much wider range of sources than "Guitarissimo" (which was culled from solo Manzanera work). TMC includes Manzanera, Roxy, Nico, John Cale, 801, Tim Finn, Explorers, Wetton, etc., etc.) A highlight for me as the unreleased version of "Fat Lady of Limbourg" by 801 live, and the 4 live tracks from the Guitar Legends '91 concert. (Virgin/'95) "Christmas the Player" is Andy Mackay and some London street musicians doing Xmas carols. Manzanera doesn't play on this, but is listed as executive producer, if my memory serves. I hated it and got rid of it a long time ago, but then I have an aversion to holiday specific projects of this nature. Many on this list who are possibly less jaded and cynical than I, liked it. "Live at the Karl Marx". I have no info about it and have not heard it. Performed with a band called Moncada, I believe. No US release "Live at Manchester University" is an elusive item. There have been several attempts by list members, who have tried to acquire it, and at least someone claimed to have it. I've never had any luck. It is listed as Manzanera/801, but doesn't include Eno; rather think 801 circa "Listen Now". No US release. The song listing is as follows; 01. TNK (TOMORROW NEVER KNOWS 02. FLIGHT 19 03. LISTEN NOW 04. LAW AND ORDER 05. DIAMOND HEAD 06. OUT OF THE BLUE 07. REMOTE CONTROL 08. MISS SHAPIRO 09. YOU REALLY GOT ME "A Million Reasons Why" is, I believe, basically a re-release of "Southern Cross" with the 4 "Guitar Legends" live tracks tacked on the beginning. "One World". It's listed as a Wetton/Manzanra release. I don't know if it's a re-issue of the earlier album or a new one. Don't know anything else, either. Sorry. There is also a live Explorers cd called "Live at the Palace (Camden)" ('97/Expression) which includes an unlisted version of Roxy's "Out of The Blue", which unfortunately only serves to point up singer James Wraith's debt to Ferry stylistically. Otherwise a decent effort with some typically fine playing from AM/PM, and indeed, the entire band. That's all the info i have readily available. Hope it helps. Be Well. Bye; Erik S - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:39:29 EST From: BPhilipson@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Accurate Phil Manzanera Discography Please Live at Manchester University should be obtained fairly easily. I got my copy from CD Now and it is available through Musica Boulevard. I've seen it at Tower records and Virgin Records in NY, Chicago, and SF. I like it, although I prefer the vocals on the original 801 Live disc. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:22:12 -0800 From: Mark Kraft Subject: [AVALON] [Fwd: Roxy Music Website, http://www.roxymusic.co.uk] I sent in a brief e-mail to the web design company that is liscenced to do R.M.'s website.. The owner confirms that the site is owned by Phil Manzanera and says that it should go live sometime in the next few months. Hopefully we won't see the kind of legal reining in of unauthorized use of R.M. sounds / images that has gone on with other fan sites once there is an official site up. - Mark - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 00:38:14 +0500 (GMT) From: Roberto Galvez Subject: Re: [AVALON] Accurate Phil Manzanera Discography Please Don't forget the record with my fellow peruvian/vocalist Tania Libertad (Andy Mc Kay also plays there,as well as spanian singer Miguel Bose).I think it was recorded around 1991,if my memory is still beating :) Roberto. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #277 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest