From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #252 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, October 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 252 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Where's Paul? [Bob VanDyne ] Re: FW: [AVALON] Tick tick tock, and time will tell [ASchulberg@aol.com] [AVALON] RE: avalon-digest V3 #251 [John Fohrman ] [AVALON] new cover ["Theresa Fagan" ] Re: [AVALON] Where's Paul? ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] new cover [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] Where's Paul? [jspellma@techadvisers.com] Re: [AVALON] THE BEST OF MUSIKLADEN ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] new cover [shin ] Re: [AVALON] new cover [shin ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:50:08 -0400 From: Bob VanDyne Subject: [AVALON] Where's Paul? In this talk of reunion, there seems to be a forgotten foot soldier. For my money, Roxy lost much of its identity when Paul Thompson left. He had a feel for rhythm that went beyond technique. Like Charlie Watts, I think he was one of the few drummers capable of "swinging" in a rock context, if you know what I mean. I have no doubt that had he been in more mainstream band, he'd be remembered along side of Watts, Moon, Bonham. I liked (and continue to like) Manifesto a lot, apparently more than many members of this list. And Paul Thompson's drumming is wonderful on that album: Trash, Still Falls the Rain, Ain't That So, My Little Girl, what a kick! The anonymity which inhabits the musicianship of Flesh and Blood and Avalon I think is largely the result of Thompson's absence and perhaps Neil Hubbard's presence. (Don't get me wrong, I've been a fan of Hubbard back to his Joe Cocker days, but Phil is Roxy's guitarist.) It's a shame that I write about Paul Thompson in the past tense. The only thing I know of that he's done since Roxy was one album with Concrete Blonde. Maybe he wouldn't even be interested in a reunion? - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:09:08 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: [AVALON] Tick tick tock, and time will tell << It would be interesting to see who gets into a reformed Roxy- certainly the core of Mackay, manzanera and Ferry would be there, but surely the balance would come from session musicians more recently used by Ferry rather than Eno or Jobson. >> I guess the core three could arguably make it Roxy but I wouldn't be happy and don't you think Paul Thompson is required? Remember, I'm the one who prefers Roxy the rock group to Roxy the big band. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:23:21 -0400 From: John Fohrman Subject: [AVALON] RE: avalon-digest V3 #251 Okay, I can't stand standing on the sidelines any longer. IMHO: 1. "Mamouna" is a great AMBIENT music album. (Some guy famous for ambient music helped produce it, I forget his name*.) You're not supposed to listen to it in the same way as more conventional stuff. To illustrate my point, have an intimate, uh, conversation or screw with a close friend or lover while listening to "Mamouna". Now try it with while listening to "For Your Pleasure". (I can just see envision the romance of making love to the rhythm of "Editions of You".) 2. The best Bryan Ferry album is "Boys and Girls", hands down. 3. Roxy reunion -- good Roxy reunion with new album -- next best thing to Cubs winning World Series (and far more likely) *For the humorously disadvantaged, this is a joke. For those not paying attention, it's Eno. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:40:35 -0400 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: [AVALON] new cover I read in Billboard magazine (I can spot those two little words "Bryan Ferry" in any text at 90 paces!!) that a 73 year old singer, Jimmy Scott, has put out a CD called on which he covers "Slave to Love" (!). - --TriTri - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:54:51 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Where's Paul? - -----Original Message----- From: Bob VanDyne To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 8:02 AM Subject: [AVALON] Where's Paul? >In this talk of reunion, there seems to be a forgotten foot soldier. For >my money, Roxy lost much of its identity when Paul Thompson left. (other observations snipped) well, now. flesh + blood sucked canal water, and the wimpy drumming in thompson's absence contributed to my dislike of the album. but i have a hard time fitting thompson's straight-ahead style into avalon's ethereal ambience. thompson was at his best when he got to flail away like crazy, on songs like 'all i want is you,' 'editions of you, 'do the strand,' etc. so i must admit that i liked half of the albums that roxy made after thompson's departure. and IMHO the only album since 'manifesto' that suits thompson's style is 'bete noire.' so even though i'm a big thompson fan, i must admit that ferry's songwriting style may have separated itself from thompson's drumming style. victor - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:52:59 -0700 From: "Jeff Barbanell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Where's Paul? - -----Original Message----- From: Bob VanDyne Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 6:00 AM Subject: [AVALON] Where's Paul? >In this talk of reunion, there seems to be a forgotten foot soldier. For >my money, Roxy lost much of its identity when Paul Thompson left. He had a >feel for rhythm that went beyond technique. Like Charlie Watts, I think he >was one of the few drummers capable of "swinging" in a rock context, if you >know what I mean. Ironic that you used the term "swinging," since that's the exact term Ferry used when he tried to explain the technique he was looking for on Flesh + Blood. He went so far as to say that he required an American drummer to get that sound, and that's why Thompson didn't make the cut past Manifesto. I, too, missed Thompson's style. BTW, has everyone here heard Thompson's B-side opus "Your Application's Failed?" It's been years for me since I no longer own a copy. Jeff - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 04:17:25 +0200 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] new cover Theresa wrote: > 73 year old singer, Jimmy Scott, has put out a CD called > on which he covers > "Slave to Love" (!). I always wanted to hear a busker's version of this song - voice, acoustic guitar and not much more. Perhaps this recording is something like that... If anyone comes across a catalogue number for Jimmy Scott's version, please post it. (Was it Jimmy Scott who sang on some Lou Reed stuff, like 'Dirty Blvd'? If so, this version could be great.) Thanks for the info, Bahi - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:08:41 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Where's Paul? Bob, I totally agree. Paul Thompson was such a part of the sound. I loved the Roxy reunion in '79. It was so fresh. Still authentic Roxy but with a new twist. Although they had no actual Eno/Jobson substitute, David Skinner did a great job on keys and Phil and Andy got to stretch out some. Still with Paul Thompson, just one guitar, and a great bass player, Ferry singing with such confidence.... Stronger Through The Years, Manifesto, Still Falls, My Little Girl are some of my favorites. And of coarse a much better version of Angel Eyes. and Trash is neat, and all that before the brilliant Dance Away. But it was the end of the line. The 80's changed everything. I think "Manifesto" sounds a lot more like "Siren" than it does "Flesh & Blood". This is when the sound of the band totally changed. compression and reverb on everything, high gloss... It was still way good, but it really took a turn for the sidewalk. To me, his 80's solo albums were heavier. I like the heavy stuff. Will it be a six man, one guitar Roxy? Or will it be back-up singers, percussion, 3 guitars and dancing bears? Can you imagine Paul Thompson playing "Windswept"? How about EJ playing Avalon? (Actually...) How about Eno and Jobson and leopard skins and just the 1st 4 albums? Where do they pick it up? I hope some new music is coming. And if Paul Thompson is invited or not will heavily influence the direction and focus of the material. If not, it's more like Bryan Ferry with Phil and Andy in his band. This is not necessarily bad, but to me, Roxy is one guitar, a lead singer, an anonymous bass player, sax, and one other guy, usually doing crazy stuff. Jim - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:40:41 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] THE BEST OF MUSIKLADEN I wouldn`t be surprised to see a lot of Roxy related stuff appear with the advent of the much hyped V.G. movie. There had been a good bit of positive Roxy talk on several '70`s related news groups, especially rec.music.rock-pop-r+b.1970s. I hope a lot more early Roxy stuff surfaces. Gene - -----Original Message----- From: Amanda Carsner To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 12:15 AM Subject: [AVALON] THE BEST OF MUSIKLADEN > >I was just cruising through CDNow when I came across a new Roxy >Music-related video - THE BEST OF MUSIKLADEN. It includes 6 tracks, >including "All I want is you", "Editions of you", etc. The expected video >release date is October 27th, '98. Is this a brand new something that has >never been released before? Could it be that this is somehow connected to >the very soon to be released VELVET GOLDMINE? Any thoughts on this? > >Cheers, >Amanda > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: shin Subject: Re: [AVALON] new cover On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Theresa Fagan wrote: > I read in Billboard magazine (I can spot those two little words "Bryan > Ferry" in any text at 90 paces!!) that a 73 year old singer, Jimmy Scott, > has put out a CD called on which he covers "Slave > to Love" (!). > > --TriTri This is great! Jimmy Scott got a voice that is just out of this world. His CD "All The Way" is a definite desert-island disc. I think most BF fans would love the disc. If you're more into BF's work since the Avalon, this disc is a must have. > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:54:22 -0400 (EDT) From: shin Subject: Re: [AVALON] new cover Here is a review of Jimmy Scott's All The Way that I just picked up from an online store. I am really hyping this CD because in my fruitless attempt to find that perfect sound, this CD is one of the very few that made the top shelf on my CDcase. I just placed an order for his new one as well. ..one of the great jazz singers...his astonishing voice soars effortlessly in the alto range...he's back at age 67 with what may be his finest album ever...has a timeless feel.. - Down Beat (8/92, p.44) - 5 Stars - Excellent - Picked by critic Josef Woodard as one of the 10 best jazz albums of 1992. - Jazziz (Dec.-Jan./92, p.94) ..What's most bizarre about ALL THE WAY is that a man is singing from a male perspective but in a wholly female voice. In this bold setting, all tradition is intriguingly irrelevant.. - Rolling Stone (10/1/92, p.69) - 3.5 Stars - Good Plus ..depicts a canvas of heartbreak, loneliness and unrequited, hopeless love...ALL THE WAY is one of the most haunting vocal recitals you'll ever hear.. - Musician (10/92, p.106) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #252 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest