From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #241 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, October 3 1998 Volume 03 : Number 241 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Sense of ridiculous ["Vicente Dobroruka" ] Re: [AVALON] One Gary Glitter is enough ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Sense of ridiculous ["Neil Ashar" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 05:29:36 -0700 From: "Vicente Dobroruka" Subject: [AVALON] Sense of ridiculous Dear Avalonians, "Holy smoke, what do you guys want? A fifty-three years old in Leopard skin doing The Bob. I think one Gary Glitter is enough!" I couldn't have said it better. It seems many people in Avalon prefer the pre-79 Roxy, okay - but to say BF has kept repeating himself after Avalon the record is nonsense. Even if it were true, BF/RM sound much nicer and smoother in the 79-98 period than they ever did in the Seventies - when sometimes RM sounded just like an iconoclastic noise commanded by Eno's folly on keyboards. Experimentalism isn't everything in this field. By the way, it doesn't sound good to me Eno again with Roxy. I don't care about their "roots" [!], and I think BF fits more in tthe band than Eno ever did. You guys who prefer the pre-79 years seem to forget that even in this delimited period RM and BF changed a lot. As our friend above said, should Roxy Music the record sound like Country Life? And just take a look at the photos from The Thrill of it All and tell me how many times BF and RM have changed their look, only in the 72-76 period. Really, one Gary Glitter is enough. Best wishes for all Vicente ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:55:44 -0400 From: Jeff Kay Subject: Re: [AVALON] One Gary Glitter is enough Han Snijders Willy van der Geest wrote: > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Scott Reed > Aan: avalon@smoe.org > Datum: woensdag 30 september 1998 16:27 > Onderwerp: Re: [AVALON] So what got you interested in Ferry? > > have said it any better. How can these guys afford to sit > >arround and do nothing. > > >Status? what status. these guys are'nt talkin. Do they realise now is the > > I just loved Mamouna, the thing that struck was the hi-bred, Eno & Bryan > doing Wildcat Days. The tapeloops and syn in the background so reminisent of > old Roxy blended with the new. The three tracks 39 Steps, Wildcat Days and > opps forgot!, are such a harbiger of things to come. Can't wait. But I'll > just have to be patient Isn't when she wakes in the room abouy Jeri? > . > > > Han Snijders Willy van der Geest wrote: > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: Scott Reed >> Aan: avalon@smoe.org >> Datum: woensdag 30 september 1998 16:27 >> Onderwerp: Re: [AVALON] So what got you interested in Ferry? >> >> >Jon, I could'nt have said it any better. How can these guys afford to sit >> >arround and do nothing. > >> >Status? what status. these guys are'nt talkin. Do they realise now is the >> time >> >to strike?? And not with the whimpy 80's version of the band either. They >> need >> >to go back to there roots. >> > >> >-scott >> > >> Holy smoke, what do you guys want? A fifty-three years old in Leopard skin >> doing The Bob. I think one Gary Glitter is enough! >> The Man has developed in a way you guys don't like that much as the first >> period. But he has developed and that's the Main Thing. Saying that Ferry Re >> >> make/Re model Avalon the last 15 years is ridiculus. Play Avalon and after >> that Mamouna you can hear the difference. The same difference between let's >> say Roxy Music and Country Life. Saying Mamouna is NOTHING is stupid I think >> >> it's far better than Manifesto for example, the texture of the music, the >> lyrics the singing etc. >> The only real problem is that the way he works result in a very low output. >> He need someone who force him to work faster and make a quicker decision if >> a song he is working on is o.k. Maybe reuniting is a solution but I don't >> know if it is the right one. >> Working with Eno is better I think because he's a very intelligent man who >> is not focused on the past, always trying different things and he has >> prooved that he can pull out the best out of people. >> >> Greetings Han > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:26:00 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] One Gary Glitter is enough - -----Original Message----- From: Han Snijders Willy van der Geest To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 5:24 PM Subject: [AVALON] One Gary Glitter is enough > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: Scott Reed >Aan: avalon@smoe.org >Datum: woensdag 30 september 1998 16:27 >Onderwerp: Re: [AVALON] So what got you interested in Ferry? > > >>Jon, I could'nt have said it any better. How can these guys afford to sit >>arround and do nothing. > >>Status? what status. these guys are'nt talkin. Do they realise now is the >time >>to strike?? And not with the whimpy 80's version of the band either. They >need >>to go back to there roots. >> >>-scott >> >Holy smoke, what do you guys want? A fifty-three years old in Leopard skin >doing The Bob. I think one Gary Glitter is enough! Yes, that`s EXACTLY what I want. And yes, I wish Mr. Glitter would do "Rock N Roll Pt. 3" and I wish some of these 50 year olds would don the leopard skins and show these no-talents of today how it`s done. (There, that should stir some kind of s**t storm.) Gene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:38:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jon jepson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sense of ridiculous - ---Vicente Dobroruka wrote: > > Dear Avalonians, > > "Holy smoke, what do you guys want? A fifty-three years old in Leopard skin > doing The Bob. I think one Gary Glitter is enough!" > All right, you have missed my point completely, unsurprisingly. I NEVER implied that they should "relive their past" in that way. The idea that I want them to recycle their image that way is absurd. I would hardly expect Ringo to come out in his Pierre Cardin collarless suit, anymore than I would expect BF to come out in leopard skin. I SAID, his style has stagnated. Roxy was always evolving, and at this moment, BF is not. Eno should come on as producer, not necessarily as a musician or band member. You're right, Eno has capabilities to bring out the best in people. I LOVE AVALON. I CRIED when he played that live. AVALON is a great record, an underrated classic. MAMOUNA is DULL. It doesn't move me. B&G was good, and BETE NOIRE was good too. If you're into BF being ambient and Yanni like, that's fine, but that kind of stuff isn't what got me into them. Yeah, he takes too damn long to make records. But I'll tell you what, if he takes forever to finish this next one, and it is as lifeless as Mamouna, he's going to have to resurrect RM just to save his reputation. You can see the evolution through the years, from record to record. The evolution ended after Avalon. I will always try to give BF the benefit of the doubt, but after seeing other faves of that era becoming stagnant (god, look at Bowie after Scary Monsters, up until his latest) and dull, he damn well better deliver the goods, or I'll be passing up on his next one. And I didn't really care for Dance with Life either, as it was just what it is: a blatant attempt to have a commerical hit. Not that he doesn't deserve that kind of success, but does it have to come at THAT price? Anyway, I love discussion, but I HATE it when people put words in my mouth, or come to a completely wrong conclusion about what I said. If you go back to what I wrote, NOWHERE do I even hint at anything along the lines of putting "leopard skin" on a 53 year old. My point was that things were much more adventurous with Eno and Roxy, and on his own, of late, Bryan is going NOWHERE. And on top of that, I also LIKE Gary Glitter, despite his pedophilic history. He still had some great tunes. Jon Jepson AKA fabtrick _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:37:13 -0700 From: "Neil Ashar" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sense of ridiculous "Bete Noire" was good? Frankly, I feel that we should cut Mr. Ferry some slack. As a man in his fifties, perhaps he wishes to adhere more to maturation -- which implies long perfectionist fermenting in underground casks -- rather than evolution, such as that of the lounge lizard into the dinosaur. Although I share everyone's commisseration for his financial state ("Sir, I'll buy you a Martini"), it remains that as a man with a family, and twenty six years if show business behind him, perhaps he wishes to keep a professional low profile. Perhaps he can even afford to do so (gasp). It seems, as well, that his evolution, if there is one, is that of a man who is slowly eschanging a professional life to that of a personal one, be it that of party fixture. Let us breathe in and let the man have a private life. Yes, this is an American writing. And for those of you who REALLY miss the old stuff, go listen to "For Your Pleasure" - -NA - -----Original Message----- From: jon jepson To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sense of ridiculous > > > >---Vicente Dobroruka wrote: >> >> Dear Avalonians, >> >> "Holy smoke, what do you guys want? A fifty-three years old in >Leopard skin >> doing The Bob. I think one Gary Glitter is enough!" >> >All right, you have missed my point completely, unsurprisingly. I >NEVER implied that they should "relive their past" in that way. The >idea that I want them to recycle their image that way is absurd. I >would hardly expect Ringo to come out in his Pierre Cardin collarless >suit, anymore than I would expect BF to come out in leopard skin. I >SAID, his style has stagnated. Roxy was always evolving, and at this >moment, BF is not. Eno should come on as producer, not necessarily as >a musician or band member. You're right, Eno has capabilities to >bring out the best in people. > > I LOVE AVALON. I CRIED when he played that live. AVALON is a great >record, an underrated classic. MAMOUNA is DULL. It doesn't move me. >B&G was good, and BETE NOIRE was good too. If you're into BF being >ambient and Yanni like, that's fine, but that kind of stuff isn't what >got me into them. Yeah, he takes too damn long to make records. But >I'll tell you what, if he takes forever to finish this next one, and >it is as lifeless as Mamouna, he's going to have to resurrect RM just >to save his reputation. > > You can see the evolution through the years, from record to record. >The evolution ended after Avalon. I will always try to give BF the >benefit of the doubt, but after seeing other faves of that era >becoming stagnant (god, look at Bowie after Scary Monsters, up until >his latest) and dull, he damn well better deliver the goods, or I'll >be passing up on his next one. And I didn't really care for Dance >with Life either, as it was just what it is: a blatant attempt to >have a commerical hit. Not that he doesn't deserve that kind of >success, but does it have to come at THAT price? > >Anyway, I love discussion, but I HATE it when people put words in my >mouth, or come to a completely wrong conclusion about what I said. If >you go back to what I wrote, NOWHERE do I even hint at anything along >the lines of putting "leopard skin" on a 53 year old. My point was >that things were much more adventurous with Eno and Roxy, and on his >own, of late, Bryan is going NOWHERE. And on top of that, I also LIKE >Gary Glitter, despite his pedophilic history. He still had some great >tunes. > >Jon Jepson >AKA fabtrick > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #241 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest