From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #226 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, September 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 226 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #223 ["Angel Colon & Cliff Blessing" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #223 I've been in N'awlins over the weekend so I missed the Zarathustra discussion....I think that the reason that Bryan includes Zarathustra in MOP is cuz of the common belief that female divinity was unimportant to him....you know that he espoused the view of two warring (yet equally balanced) GODS..good and evil.... So to say that Zarathustra could believe in MOP is saying quite a bit...I.e. she was worthy of worship BTW I am listening to Wild Weekend....Mother of Pearl to be specific...IMHO the best recorded version of the song from the Siren tour! Angel - -----Original Message----- From: Vicente Dobroruka To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 5:06 AM Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #223 >Dear Gene, > > Concerning your last message - > > "Here`s something that`s bugged me for some time. >Why does Ferry consider Zarathustra "another time loser" when in reality, >his works are considered the ground work for Plato, Aristotle, and other >Greek thinkers along with influences noted in the Manual of Discipline found >among the Dead Sea Scrolls. >Just wondering. >Gene" > > In fact I work as a researcher on Jewish apocalyptic (and sometimes also >NT apocrypha as well). The influence of Zoroastrianism in the Dead Sea >Scrolls, in Daniel and other apocalyptic writers is indeed a hard thing to >prove - since the oldest Zoroastrian manuscripts we have date only from the >5th or 6th centuries A.D., it is logically impossible for them to have >influenced (a dangerous word in the history of ideas) texts from the 2nd/1st >century B.C.. Of course, everyone knows that Zoroastrianism is much older >than that, Zoroaster (i.e. Zarathustra) might have lived before 1.000 B.C. >etc.. But, empirically, there is no documental proof of the influence of his >teaching on late Judaism. Besides, there are always the same fundamentalists >who claim that an "inspired" text (!) must show no traces of foreign >thought, and hide themselves in the arguments above exposed. > Maybe our hero Bryan claims that Zarathustra was "another-time loser" >because his religion, in the end, was wiped out by Islam, and today there >are more people subscribing to the Avalon-list than zoroastrians in the >world (even though there used to be some modern stuff about them on the >Web). For a fine introduction, see Mary Boyce. Zoroastrians - their beliefs >and practices. London/New York. Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1979. > Finally - this is just my opinion, of course - I think Plato's or >Aristotles's role in the western intellectual development is far greater >than Zoroaster's. Just my opinion, of course. > > >Best wishes for all > > >Vicente > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:05:42 -0400 From: "THERESA FAGAN" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: So what got you interested in Ferry? while not residing on one of the coasts, the people within the broadcast range of WMMS in Cleveland had a leg up because they (Kid Leo & Denny Sanders & Matt the Cat) actually played a lot of Roxy Music from the get go. so when i went to a RM concert in March 75 (the night john & yoko were on the grammy awards with david bowie and i missed it (!)(preVCR days)(i was a big bowie fan) -- i fell hook, line and sinker --never turned backed after all these years. i ACTUALLY bought Here Come The Warm Jets before i got any RM LPs. are there any other nerds that wrote down every album/single/10" they ever bought? ha ----- with the price you paid??? - --TriTri - --another one from Ohio - -----Original Message----- From: Bob VanDyne To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: So what got you interested in Ferry? >Lisa Robinson writing in Hit Parader magazine. As a teenager in the >early/mid 70's living in a small town in north west Ohio, with access only >to AM radio, bored to tears with what my contemporaries listened to (Kiss, >Aerosmith, Ted Nugent, etc); desperate for something different, Lisa >Robinson opened new musical worlds for me. The local discount store had a >copy of "For Your Pleasure", I never heard anything like it. Songs about >rubber dolls and bogey men and insanity and romance; a guy who "played" the >synthisizer that was as far from Rick Wakeman as you could get, and a >singer who sang with a with a surface campiness but an underlying power, >mystery, and humanity that spoke to me like none other. > >Lisa Robinson also introduced me to John Cale and Patti Smith (I remember >being literally frightened by the opening bars of "Gloria"). Did Lisa >Robinson die a year or so ago? Seems to me I'd heard something about that. > >Bob in Ohio > > > ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #226 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest