From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #225 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, September 9 1998 Volume 03 : Number 225 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Bryan's Jewish Soul [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Bryan's Jewish Soul ["Michael Hillman" ] [AVALON] BF CONCERT IN PARIS ["Milan M.Milosevic" ] [AVALON] Re: So what got you interested in Ferry? ["Henry Snyder" ] [AVALON] Ferry covers Roxy [jspellma@techadvisers.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:03:33 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's Jewish Soul In a message dated 98-09-08 01:22:03 EDT, you write: << It's called camp. I understand it was somewhat en vogue around the same period Bryan was. >> Jewish is camp??? I never knew! Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:44:03 +0200 From: "Michael Hillman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's Jewish Soul Whilst on the subject, Mamouna is the name of a Moroccan-Jewish ceremony conducted between the Jewish community and local community after the festival of Passover. BF once mentioned that Mamouna is an Arab girl's name meaning "good luck" and somehow it took the name of this ceremony as well. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:45:03 +0200 From: "Michael Hillman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's Jewish Soul Camp?! Well I'm straight!!! - ---------- > From: ASchulberg@aol.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's Jewish Soul > Date: 08 September 1998 15.03 > > In a message dated 98-09-08 01:22:03 EDT, you write: > > << It's called camp. I understand it was somewhat en vogue around the same > period Bryan was. >> > > Jewish is camp??? I never knew! > > Arnie > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 10:58:11 -0400 From: Bob VanDyne Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: So what got you interested in Ferry? Lisa Robinson writing in Hit Parader magazine. As a teenager in the early/mid 70's living in a small town in north west Ohio, with access only to AM radio, bored to tears with what my contemporaries listened to (Kiss, Aerosmith, Ted Nugent, etc); desperate for something different, Lisa Robinson opened new musical worlds for me. The local discount store had a copy of "For Your Pleasure", I never heard anything like it. Songs about rubber dolls and bogey men and insanity and romance; a guy who "played" the synthisizer that was as far from Rick Wakeman as you could get, and a singer who sang with a with a surface campiness but an underlying power, mystery, and humanity that spoke to me like none other. Lisa Robinson also introduced me to John Cale and Patti Smith (I remember being literally frightened by the opening bars of "Gloria"). Did Lisa Robinson die a year or so ago? Seems to me I'd heard something about that. Bob in Ohio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 08:55:13 -0700 From: "Neil Ashar" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's Jewish Soul - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hillman To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's Jewish Soul >Whilst on the subject, Mamouna is the name of a Moroccan-Jewish ceremony >conducted between the Jewish community and local community after the >festival of Passover. > >BF once mentioned that Mamouna is an Arab girl's name meaning "good luck" >and somehow it took the name of this ceremony as well. > It's also the name of a resort hotel in Marrakesh. BF probably stayed there when he was in Marrakesh towards the end of polishing Mamouna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 16:40:56 +0200 From: "Milan M.Milosevic" Subject: [AVALON] BF CONCERT IN PARIS Hello! I am looking for somebody who was on BF concert in Zénith (Paris) on October 10, 1994, during his Mamouna tour. Why did BF choose Leena Conquest for warm-up? She's OK, a smart version of hip-hop, with occasional similarities to RM sound but, then again, what is the clue? M.Milosevic (Don't be afraid of this name) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 11:57:12 -0400 From: "Henry Snyder" Subject: [AVALON] Re: So what got you interested in Ferry? ill be honest. two words: bowie and eno. id heard that bowie and ferry had some similarities, and had a reciprical influence on one another (which i hold to be self-evident), and that eno was an original member. the first album i got was stranded, and ever since the french lyrics im sold. i could just see ferry holding a skinny mike by the very bottom, crooning to some member of the audience in a tailored suit. whether this is true or not, its a mood i loved. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 12:01:25 -0400 From: "Henry Snyder" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: So what got you interested in Ferry? not to start a too lengthy thread, but are there a lot of costello fans on the list? verrry recently, i dug out my old copy of "my aim is true" and was amazed that id missed the brilliance of it. just got "almost blue" a couple weeks ago. sidenote: i was really surprised to see costello in the top 20 or 30 of that "vh100 greatest" thing or whatever (AND NO ROXY?!? please!) >>> "Victor Hastings" 09/07 10:12 PM >>> - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hillman To: [AVALON] ; Neil Ashar Date: Monday, September 07, 1998 2:19 PM Subject: [AVALON] Re: So what got you interested in Ferry? (snip) >Neil I'm posting this reply back to the chatgroup even though we started >this conversation privately coz I think it might be an interesting topic >for discussion - how people got interested in BF/RM. > >All the best > >Michael i'll add my $0.02 ... tho i don't claim this is a terribly earthshattering tale! i _never_ bought music as a young teen, and my musical knowledge was limited to AM top 40 radio of the 70s ('american pie,' 'brandy,' that sort of stuff). when i was 16, i began car pooling to school with a girl who lived down the street. she listened to a funky 'album oriented rock' station that played stuff i had absolutely never heard of, including 'love is the drug' which was the first roxy song i ever heard. she hated the song and would change stations whenever it was played. i made a mental note, though. two years later i went off to college, roomed with a music fan who encouraged me to follow my own tastes, and came home that christmas to buy the first three albums of my collection -- 'siren,' the now deleted greatest hits package, and elvis costello's 'my aim is true.' all of which have stood me in good stead over the last 20 years. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 15:22:53 -0700 From: "Vicente Dobroruka" Subject: [AVALON] So what got you interested in Ferry? Hi folks, I also got interested in RM/BF in my high school years, while Boys and girls was the coolest album to get. I bought Street Life, having heard they were really influential - and soon began to realize that most of the stuff my friends listened to at the time (DuranDuran, Alphaville, Ultravox, Japan etc.) was in some respects very similar to RM/BF sound. This double album hooked me on the spot and soon after I bought BaG. My father listened to a lot of Tony Bennett, Sinatra, and the likes. I hated them and thought, like ant other teenager, that love songs like those they sang were intrinsecally kitsch. Luckily I found BF and began to know what love songs were really about. Only one footnote, please. Since my first contact with RM/BF, I always preferred the Avalon years best. The songs from those years are not that experimental, but are ripe fruits. It seems I am the only one in this list to prefer RM/BF after 1979... Best wishes for all, Vicente ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:53:43 EDT From: FeliciaRen@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] So what got you interested in Ferry? In a message dated 9/8/98 2:35:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vicente@guarany.cpd.unb.br writes: << I also got interested in RM/BF in my high school years, while Boys and girls was the coolest album to get. I bought Street Life, having heard they were really influential - and soon began to realize that most of the stuff my friends listened to at the time (DuranDuran, Alphaville, Ultravox, Japan etc.) was in some respects very similar to RM/BF sound. >> I also started listening to RM/BF in as a freshman in high school. I first heard (and saw) them on MTV(!), seeing the videos for More Than This and Avalon. I was immediately hooked. Ironically, Ferry and Roxy songs have punctuated different happenings in my life. For example, Boys and Girls was released around the same time I graduated from high school. A friend gave me a copy of Manifesto for my 17th birthday and the first song I listened to was "Trash". And last year, as I sat alone in a hospital waiting room waiting for my mother to come out of emergency bypass surgery, "Dance With Life" started playing at the end of an episode of "General Hospital". Anyone else have anything like this happen to them? Felicia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 21:58:03 +0200 From: "Michael Hillman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] So what got you interested in Ferry? Vincente wrote: > Only one footnote, please. Since my first contact with RM/BF, I always > preferred the Avalon years best. The songs from those years are not that > experimental, but are ripe fruits. It seems I am the only one in this list > to prefer RM/BF after 1979... Well I suppose I prefer post 1979 material as well. There is no question it is much smoother and atmospheric than the earlier stuff. One could possibly wonder whether it was the same artist and in fact some non-fans I have played something like Re-Make/Re-Model followed by Is Your Love Strong Enough in succession to (or Jealous Guy followed by Virginia Plain as one side of Streetlife flips for example) have wondered. I have a good friend who loves post 1979 but absolutely hates anything earlier I try and interest her in. Some guy in a record shop told me conversly he was a great fan of 70's RM but thinks his "recent" stuff sounds all the same.... (don't agree by the way) It would be interesting to hear some of the earlier stuff re-recorded by BF to see how he re-polishes it. That would be an interesting idea (in the same way as he re-did some RM stuff on Lets Stick Together). The following would be an interesting start: Sea Breezes A Song For Europe A Really Good Time Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 13:04:11 -0700 From: "Neil Ashar" Subject: Re: [AVALON] So what got you interested in Ferry? - -----Original Message----- From: Vicente Dobroruka To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 11:37 AM Subject: [AVALON] So what got you interested in Ferry? >Hi folks, > > I also got interested in RM/BF in my high school years, while Boys >and girls was the coolest album to get. I bought Street Life, having heard >they were really influential - and soon began to realize that most of the >stuff my friends listened to at the time (DuranDuran, Alphaville, Ultravox, >Japan etc.) was in some respects very similar to RM/BF sound. This double >album hooked me on the spot and soon after I bought BaG. My father listened >to a lot of Tony Bennett, Sinatra, and the likes. I hated them and thought, >like ant other teenager, that love songs like those they sang were >intrinsecally kitsch. Luckily I found BF and began to know what love songs >were really about. > Only one footnote, please. Since my first contact with RM/BF, I always >preferred the Avalon years best. The songs from those years are not that >experimental, but are ripe fruits. It seems I am the only one in this list >to prefer RM/BF after 1979... > > you're not alone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:07:53 -0400 From: "THERESA FAGAN" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan's Jewish Soul the hotel/resort is La Mamounia. remember that old Wings ditty "Mamounia"??? - --TriTri >It's also the name of a resort hotel in Marrakesh. BF probably stayed there >when he was in Marrakesh towards the end of polishing Mamouna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:03:45 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry covers Roxy Michael Hillman wrote: >.....It would be interesting to hear some of the earlier stuff re-recorded by BF >to see how he re-polishes it. That would be an interesting idea (in the >same way as he re-did some RM stuff on Lets Stick Together)..... I always liked the way he "covered" his own songs live. Ladytron from the latest tour was different than in '88, and I'm sure it was quite different in 1972. He always puts a different spin on tunes from tour to tour. They end up sounding like his latest album. Jim ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #225 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest