From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #209 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, August 22 1998 Volume 03 : Number 209 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Sticks asn Stones...... [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Velvet goldmine news at ATN [Jeff Kay ] Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall [jspellma@techadvisers.com] Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall [dawndalion ] Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall [jspellma@techadvisers.com] [AVALON] Guitar Solos [jspellma@techadvisers.com] Re: [AVALON] Guitar Solos ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] saturday night live redux ["Theresa" ] Re: [AVALON] sub-culture wars [Will Frechette ] Re: [AVALON] Sticks asn Stones...... [Will Frechette ] Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall [Will Frechette ] Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall ["Theresa" ] Re: [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Our Goddess [JVapor7@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Stones & Drugs/Ferry in a Club/Pictures of Lucy [Tyro ] Re: [AVALON] Sticks asn Stones...... [JSMITH900@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall [dawndalion ] Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall [Will Frechette ] Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall [dawndalion ] Re: [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Our Goddess [Colleen Matan > I guess we will just agree to disagree. Certainly no hard feelings. Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:10:33 -0400 From: Jeff Kay Subject: Re: [AVALON] Velvet goldmine news at ATN Dead FINKS don't talk erik simpson wrote: > Hi; > > More news on the Velvet Goldmine ST at ATN. Go to > "http://www.addict.com/MNOTW". Here's a (lengthy) quote; > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:22:08 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall I like her too. I don't know why. Did you see her on VH1's special on Studio 54? I enjoyed it. They've come a long way. I really enjoy the Behind the Music episodes, even if it seems like the same tragic story of drugs, death, lost love and getting ripped off over and over again. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:34:52 -0700 From: dawndalion Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall Jim, Yes, I saw Jerry on VH1...and I do dig the Behind the Scenes specials... I dig VH1 far more than MTV....MTV basically sucks now. And, years ago, I remember it was VH1 who used Bryan Ferry's "Don't Stop the Dance" as their theme song for their "Sunday Brunch" lineup. That was about 10-11 years ago. Plus, VH1 was the only place that I ever saw,"Slave To Love,"and "Limbo" as well. I can't say the same about today's VH1, since they have NO RM/BF at all anymore. Regards, Dawne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:36:25 -0700 From: "Brian L. Folks" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Velvet goldmine URL erik simpson wrote: > More news on the Velvet Goldmine ST at ATN. Go to > "http://www.addict.com/MNOTW". Here's a (lengthy) quote; Here's the direct URL for the article (saves having to search): http://rl.sonicnet.com/news/archive/singlestory.jhtml?id=500559 Brian Folks - -- http://www.impeachment.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:07:04 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall VH1 actually played the "Mamouna" video when it first came out. It was hardly in heavy rotation though. Your right, MTV sucks. But I did see "More Than This" at three in the morning only a few months ago. Also "Avalon" about a year ago. I remember in 1985 "Don't Stop the Dance" was played as much as any other video of the time. Ah yes, the days when there was material to play or not to play. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:19:22 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: [AVALON] Guitar Solos >Goats Head Soup was a severe drop in >quality, as was It's Only Rock N Roll and the bottom >(I agree with you here) in Black and Blue. Not their finest moment, but I still love "Memory Motel" when I'm depressed. Also on this record is one of my top 10 favorite guitar solos, a list that includes Mick Jones on "Hot Blooded" and Earl Slick on "Stay". That would be Ron Wood's solo on "Hand Of Fate". Gracefully melodic, subtle pauses and beautiful tone. What are the best Roxy/Ferry guitar solos? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:15:19 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Guitar Solos - -----Original Message----- From: jspellma@techadvisers.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 3:08 PM Subject: [AVALON] Guitar Solos >What are the best Roxy/Ferry guitar solos? > >Jim here are my picks: manzanera at the end of 'dream home' and in 'serenade' knopfler's work on 'windswept' -- not so much a 'solo' as a great accompaniment. waddy wachtel's short solo in 'sign of the times' which i think works very well in the context of the song. neil hubbard's -- i think it's him -- solo in the middle of 'to turn you on' -- has great chord changes, gives me shivers when i listen to it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 20:09:31 PDT From: "Theresa" Subject: Re: [AVALON] saturday night live redux i get a weekly update of the guest lineups of late night shows from the following page: http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html - --TriTri - ---------- > Thanks, Theresa.... > I remember taping that, like 10 years ago!! But I don't know what > happened to the tape!! > > I am poised and ready for it, thanks for the scoop. But hey, Where and > how did you find that out? I have Comedy Central on the Tellie right > now..... > > Regards, > Dawne > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:18:17 -0500 From: Will Frechette Subject: Re: [AVALON] sub-culture wars jspellma@techadvisers.com wrote: > >Arnie > > Yes I'm one of those people that listen to the > post Some Girls Stones. Sure they're not the same. > I thought the 1st 3 albums w/ Mick Taylor were the best. But to say > they have released no memorable material in the last 20 years? > How about Start Me Up, She's so Cold, > Let Me Go, Emotional Rescue, T&A, Waiting on a Friend. > Then there was Undercover, Harlem Shuffle, Rock in a Hard Place, > Mixed Emotions. My favorites from the 80's were Slave and Dance part 1. > Also Almost Heard You Sigh is a beautiful tune. Love is Strong > and Anybody Seen My Baby weren't bad either. In their recent tour > I thought one of the highlights was Saint of Me and Out of Control > (yes from the new album). The biggest highlight was going to the small > stage in the middle of the stadium with just a Fender Twin each, > ala the 60's with just a 5 piece band, they played Last Time and > the best version of Like a Rolling Stone I've heard since Hendrix covered > it. > They sound much better now than they did 10 years ago. Say you don't > like them or they have past their prime, but to compare them to > Steve Miller and the Monkees?They didn't reunite, because they > never broke up. Bill Wyman left because he was 60 and he retired. > Your all wet on this one Arnie. > > Jim I'd go along with this, maybe you were a little hard on them Arnie. I did like a bunch of those songs, although that's as far as it goes. I can't blow a bunch of sunshine up their asses. Actually I thoroughly enjoyed Mick's solo album She's the Boss. Almost every song is great, good vieos for most of them and that flik that went along with the whole thing "Running out of luck", not the worst movie I've ever seen, and for you Mick fans a must see that didn't get seen by very many people. i think every song from the album is in it and the Just Another Night video is almost just a cut from the movie. Really hot. The whole album was way more hip than most of the stones stuff...and...Oh my god I forgot Jerri Hall is in the movie, she plays his girlfriend. In the movie he has a fight with Jerri and goes off to console himself with 3 beautiful extras from the video that they are in Rio filming, who turn out to be drag queens and they mug him and send him unconscious on a meat truck to the wilds of Brazil. The rest of the movie is his proving that he is himself to the wild natives of Brazil. Everyone go rent it it's pretty good. We'll discuss funny parts like when the bosslady says "English man" "English man". Ok sorry about that all running together. Will ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:30:52 -0500 From: Will Frechette Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sticks asn Stones...... jspellma@techadvisers.com wrote: > > > I feel about Clapton as you do about Stones. I lost interest in him > around 1978. I'd rather listen to "Tales of Brave Ulysses" or "SWLABR" > instead of "Forever Man", but I can separate my personal taste with > the reality of his contributions. If your not convinced with the songs > I mentioned (and I'm sure I missed some) then you may never see > it differently. > > Jim Let me just pipe in here and say...the Stones ok, Eric Clapton no, that guy has lost it. Sorry I thought Cream was one of my fave groups of their time but the new E.C. stuff is so bland, ooh it's bland. He broke his funky bone. He is straight up bland. Will ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:39:33 -0500 From: Will Frechette Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall dawndalion wrote: > Hey Gang... > Strange, isn't it, how many of us are fascinated by Jerry Hall. At least > I am fascinated, but my adoration for Jerry began long before I kow who > Bryan Ferry was, or that they had a relationship. She is such a BABE... > > Anyway, Jerry is featured with her daughter Elizabeth in the People > Weekly August 10th... > > The feature was entitled, Mother's Little Helper (Stones fans understand > this one, right)....It showed a photo of Jerry and Elizabeth Scarlett > Jagger, age 14, modeling on the Catwalk for a Thierry Mugler show in > Paris. > > Jerry looked fabulous, sexy and very hot, despite the hideous outfit > thta she was wearing... and Elizabeth is quite the Siren even now, with > that gorgeous long hair....Definitely her Mother's Daughter. > > That is my news for the day.... > > Regards, > Dawne OK Dawn it's talk like that that'll get ya kicked off the list, nobody likes her. She does have that hic, white trashy, skank thing goin on if your into that. Oops! can I say that? Dawn I'm dissappionted, all those sexy tales you told us just took on a whole new taint of cheapness suddenly. Not that I'm not into that, but it changed. Will ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 20:39:56 PDT From: "Theresa" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall the mother/daughter duo catwalk strut was broadcast to the entire nation on an ABC-TV special about the '98 haute couture season. this was about 3 weeks ago. - --TriTri - ---------- >> > The feature was entitled, Mother's Little Helper (Stones fans understand > this one, right)....It showed a photo of Jerry and Elizabeth Scarlett > Jagger, age 14, modeling on the Catwalk for a Thierry Mugler show in > Paris. > > Jerry looked fabulous, sexy and very hot, despite the hideous outfit > thta she was wearing... and Elizabeth is quite the Siren even now, with > that gorgeous long hair....Definitely her Mother's Daughter. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:29:39 EDT From: JVapor7@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Our Goddess Blather on about the Stones, Clapton and assorted other Worthless Old Grannies Of Rock, but leave Jerry Hall out of it. I'd take her over some Mapplethorpe- posing antique-collecting Vogue nonentity anyday. VAPOR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:33:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Tyro Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Stones & Drugs/Ferry in a Club/Pictures of Lucy Thank you for this semi-defense of the Stones. There is a strange thing that happens with "dinosaur" bands. I feel that no matter how well the Stones did on their new albums, they wouldn't get credit for it. Granted: there are a lot of lame moments on the last three cds, but... have you heard "Saint of Me" or "Gunface" from BtoB? The Stones have been taking some chances (not too many) on their cds and scoring (sometimes). They were never the most consistent band ('cept in the late 60s, early 70s, I guess) anyway. Bryan on the other hand... Much as I'm a fan of the solo cds through Mamouna... it's pretty clear he needs to loosen up and do some more spontaneous, less precious work. What happened to the playfulness of the old Roxy? Or the storytelling? It seems he's stuck on his hopes for American success. There's a big difference between "Psalm" and "Oh Yeah," and he's stuck on the "Oh Yeah" side of things. I am not dissing him. He is a few notches above everyone else IMO. Tyro. > > Gene-- > > I agree in part with your Avalon posting on the Stones, but as still a > pretty big Stones fan, let me comment on your comments a little. > > The Stones and drugs is a strange relationship, in that Keith Richards > heroin addiction ran from about 1971 to 1978, during which time they did 2 > of their best albums, Sticky Fingers & Exile. I think the bad effects of > the drugs started to show after that. Goats Head Soup was a severe drop in > quality, as was It's Only Rock N Roll and the bottom (I agree with you > here) in Black and Blue. > > Keith didn't kick heroin until AFTER his famous Toronto drug bust in 1977, > after which he went to a rehab center. Some Girls in 1978( a huge > comeback) was his first album after cleaning up (though Mick seemed to be > heavily into Coke on the 1978 tour). Keith still drinks and smokes too > much for a guy in his fifties, but that's Keith, I guess. > > Since then, I'd say their albums are mixed quality. Out of the 80s and 90s > material I can make 2 excellent compliations on cassette, which would > include 4 or 5 songs from their latest "Bridges To Babylon". They still > got it--in flashes at least. > > Actually my favorite Stones recording in recent years is a boot recording > of their nightclub show in Chicago last summer at the Double Door, a week > before they began their US tour. After alot of years and hearing a lot of > recordings, I was shocked at how different and how great the Stones sound > in a bar, playing songs like "19th Nervous Breakdown" and "Little > Queenie". > > Getting back to Roxy in a roundabout way, are their any recordings of Roxy > or Ferry playing in a small club around ?? > > And another long-held question....where could I find a picture of Brian's > wife, Lucy? I have never seen her picture after all these years. > > Thanks. > > --Dan Ream > Richmond, Virginia > > > On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Decophile wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Will Frechette > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 1:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] sub-culture wars > > > > > > > > > > > > >ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > > >> YECCHH! The Stones release albums and tour every three years but can > > anyone > > >> honestly say that anything in the last 20 years is memorable beyond that > > tour? > > >> They're an oldies band like the Monkees or Steve Miller or any of the > > other > > >> perennial "summer tour" bands that haven't made a material contribution > > in > > >> decades. > > >> > > >> Arnie > > > > > > You go Arnie! Although they usually have a pretty groovy hit on each > > album that > > >gets me like, Between a rock and a hard placeor Love is strong. But for the > > most > > >part lame stuff. Let's put it this way I don't spend money on their stuff. > > > > > > Will > > > > > > I haven`t bought a Stones album since Some Girls, IMO their last good album. > > Of course you can`t expect anyone who`s been around as long as them to > > create major works forever. I`ll give it to them for their longevity and > > there`s nothing wrong with resting on your laurels. If anyone deserves it, > > the Stones do. > > However, I`ve always felt their creativity dried up when they kicked the > > hard drugs. Don`t get me wrong, I applaud them for that, especially Keith, > > but there`s no denying it. Everyone has their favorite Stones era, and mine > > was the '69-'75 era, the height of their hard drug use. Then came Black and > > Blue in '76(?), IMO the worse album they ever put out. I knew then it was > > all over. > > The first Stones concert I attended was in '75, the last was '89 (Steel > > Wheels?) and it was hard to believe this was the same band. I just couldn`t > > stand it and left half way through it. It was too much like a family > > friendly Sesame Street On Ice show. The days of Stray Cat Blues, Starf***er, > > and Sister Morphine being part of the set list are long gone. > > Although they put out some really good stuff since, they`ll never produce > > masterpieces like Sticky Fingers/Exile On Main Street/Goats Heads Soup/It`s > > Only Rock N Roll. > > > > Gene > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:08:02 +0200 From: ccd@dataweb.nl Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall jspellma@techadvisers.com wrote: >VH1 actually played the "Mamouna" video when it first came out. live recording of the tour or "Mamouna"-clip? ...sigh, never seen any vid or clips of same album... >I remember in 1985 "Don't Stop the Dance" was played as much as any other >video >of the time. ...oh yeah, same case with "Slave To Love", was aired alot on the now dead and gone "Music Box" Frank ...***there's a band playing on the radio and it's drowning the sound of my tears they're playing *oh yeah* on the radio...*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:17:23 -0500 From: HipChip Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Our Goddess VAPOR, How about her twin sister, Terry? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:15:12 EDT From: JSMITH900@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sticks asn Stones...... Will, In a message dated 98-08-21 20:35:40 EDT, you write: << Let me just pipe in here and say...the Stones ok, Eric Clapton no, that guy has lost it. Sorry I thought Cream was one of my fave groups of their time but the new E.C. stuff is so bland, ooh it's bland. He broke his funky bone. He is straight up bland. Will >> - --------------------------------------------------- I agree about EC. But in my humble opinion, Jack Bruce still has it. Nothing wrong with his 'funky bone.' Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:39:18 -0700 From: dawndalion Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall Will, Get over it... I don't care how she talks, twang or not... I appreciate her BABENESS any day, all day.... And I would party and hang and swap breastfeeding tips with Jerry Hall anyday!!! You can't MAKE me leave the list....I am gonna stay on, and torture you all!!! Dawne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:16:56 -0500 From: Will Frechette Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Our Goddess JVapor7@aol.com wrote: > Blather on about the Stones, Clapton and assorted other Worthless Old Grannies > Of Rock, but leave Jerry Hall out of it. I'd take her over some Mapplethorpe- > posing antique-collecting Vogue nonentity anyday. > > VAPOR WOW Jimmy, it isn't a facade, you don't have a lick of taste. Will ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:23:47 -0500 From: Will Frechette Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall dawndalion wrote: > Will, > Get over it... I don't care how she talks, twang or not... I appreciate > her BABENESS any day, all day.... And I would party and hang and swap > breastfeeding tips with Jerry Hall anyday!!! > > You can't MAKE me leave the list....I am gonna stay on, and torture you > all!!! > > Dawne EEUOO! Jerry Hall and you enjoying a little Miller time, kicking back with a beer or two breastfeeding and swapping little tidbits of information and tips. What a picture that paints, maybe you two would leg wrassel to see who buys the next round of boilermakers. Will ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:38:34 -0700 From: dawndalion Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall BRING IT ON, Will....bring it on, I DARE you! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:45:53 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jack Bruce Jim wrote: >I agree about EC. But in my humble opinion, Jack Bruce still has it. Nothing >wrong with his 'funky bone.' I strongly agree. Saw him on Letterman a few years ago. He was great with Robin Trower in BLT. I once had a Cozy Powell solo album with Bruce on all of it. His sound had changed with times, it was superb. Jim S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:48:32 -0700 From: dawndalion Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Our Goddess VAPOR, I LOVE your style, dude. Dawne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:52:59 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Our Goddess >Blather on about the Stones, Clapton and assorted other Worthless Old Grannies >Of Rock, but leave Jerry Hall out of it. I'd take her over some Mapplethorpe- >posing antique-collecting Vogue nonentity anyday. >VAPOR Amazing. This is exactly how my ex-wife feels and this is where she ends up every time we talk about Bryan. Holy Cow. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:04:55 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall >> OK Dawn it's talk like that that'll get ya kicked off the list, nobody >>likes her. She does have that hic, white trashy, skank thing goin on if your >>into that. Oops! can I say that? Dawn I'm dissappionted, all those sexy >>tales you told us just took on a whole new taint of cheapness suddenly. Not >>that I'm not into that, but it changed. >> Will Thanks for speaking for all of us Will, but I'm with Dawn on this one. I bet she's not cheap either. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:25:45 From: Stephen and Zena Scott Subject: Re[2]: [AVALON] Sticks asn Stones...... Outside of Cream, when did Clapton ever "have" it!! Layla notwithstanding, Clapton hasn't produced anything but lame old same old, and a couple of wimpy ballads since Cream. In an interview recently, Mike Oldfield expressed his amazement that Clapton has such fame and reputation, as in his view he is not a particularly good guitarist outside a few riffs he repeats every now and again. Clapton is about as exciting as Clintons sex life. Stephen. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:01:10 -0500 From: Will Frechette Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sticks asn Stones...... JSMITH900@aol.com wrote: > Will, > > In a message dated 98-08-21 20:35:40 EDT, you write: > > << Let me just pipe in here and say...the Stones ok, Eric Clapton no, that > guy has lost it. Sorry I thought Cream was one of my fave groups of their > time > but the new E.C. stuff is so bland, ooh it's bland. He broke his funky bone. > He > is straight up bland. Will >> > --------------------------------------------------- > > I agree about EC. But in my humble opinion, Jack Bruce still has it. Nothing > wrong with his 'funky bone.' > > Jim That's right Jack Bruce is still pretty hot. I think a friend of mine has some relatively recent bootleg stuff by him and he still jams, and am I mistaken or was it him that was doing some dates with a reformed Mountain a few years back (as the bass player for Mountain). I could be totally off base with this and I'll have to get ahold of my pirate friend because he is the guy who knows and that I would've heard about it from. I know he has a bunch of Leslie West, Mountain, Jack bruce and a bunch of other guys, and I may be just running it all together...apparently not running on all four cylinders...the viagra hasn't kicked in yet. Will ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:56:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Our Goddess > > Blather on about the Stones, Clapton and assorted other Worthless Old > Grannies > > Of Rock, but leave Jerry Hall out of it. I'd take her over some > Mapplethorpe- > > posing antique-collecting Vogue nonentity anyday. > > > > VAPOR > > WOW Jimmy, it isn't a facade, you don't have a lick of taste. > > > > Will Although my defense of him may come as a surprise to some, I'd have to say Mr. Vapor has more taste than most of the rest of Avalonia. "Just Another Night"? "Running Out Of Luck"? Talk about toothless and gummy. And I'd take Ms. Hall over Mrs. Ferry too. At least she's herself, for better or for worse. Not only that, but I'd bet that he tastes better than most of y'all too. Colleen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:27:42 From: Stephen and Zena Scott Subject: Re[2]: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall On ya Will. Do we not forget that said trollop shafted our man big time. Let her burn. Stephen. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:11:00 -0700 From: dawndalion Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall Will, What exactly is your prob with Jerry? First of all, you have not been around a lot of White Trash if you think she is representative of Whites Who Are Setting Back the Race.... Is Everyone from Texas White Trash?? She is not some Toothless, skanky-lloking chain-smoking, Jerry Springer-watching, welfare-collecting Ho-Bag.... Unfortunately, I have seen my share of White Trash and Whites Who are Setting Back the Race... saw a lot of that shit while treating welfare recipients in the clinics (okay, NO POLITICS PAAALLLEEZE, that means you Heather, whereever you are...), and Our Goddess Jerry is NOT one of them. I am, admittedly, sorta intrigued that my submission of Jerry-Ness has elicited such a RISE out of some of you... Are you listening, Jerry? I dig you. Hey, Jerry.... How IS Bryan in Bed???? Dawne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:16:25 -0700 From: dawndalion Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall Do we not forget that said trollop shafted our man big time. Let her burn. Stephen. Stephen, Sad, but true.... I know. That is why my fascination with Jerry, STILL, is so intriguing, even to ME!!! Like, she DID give him the shaft... I know... But somehow she still appeals to me. Jerry, I just gotta know, Is Bryan the BigOle Sex Machine that I imagine him to be?? Dawne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:30:32 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re[2]: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall >On ya Will. >Do we not forget that said trollop shafted our man big time. >Let her burn. >Stephen. She probably couldn't be herself around Bryan. They just weren't a good pair. So she ran away with Mick. It was probably the only time a woman broke up with him. Some great songs came out it too. I don't even want to torch those who have shafted me, let alone Bryan. Put the matches down. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:34:05 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall >........Jerry, I just gotta know, Is Bryan >the BigOle Sex Machine that I imagine >him to be?? >Dawne Gee Dawne, if you had only one guess what would it be? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:28:14 -0500 From: Will Frechette Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Stones & Drugs/Ferry in a Club/Pictures of Lucy Tyro wrote: > Thank you for this semi-defense of the Stones. There is a strange thing > that happens with "dinosaur" bands. I feel that no matter how well the > Stones did on their new albums, they wouldn't get credit for it. Granted: > there are a lot of lame moments on the last three cds, but... have you > heard "Saint of Me" or "Gunface" from BtoB? The Stones have been taking > some chances (not too many) on their cds and scoring (sometimes). They > were never the most consistent band ('cept in the late 60s, early 70s, I > guess) anyway. > > Bryan on the other hand... Much as I'm a fan of the solo cds through > Mamouna... it's pretty clear he needs to loosen up and do some more > spontaneous, less precious work. What happened to the playfulness of the > old Roxy? Or the storytelling? It seems he's stuck on his hopes for > American success. There's a big difference between "Psalm" and "Oh Yeah," > and he's stuck on the "Oh Yeah" side of things. > > I am not dissing him. He is a few notches above everyone else IMO. > Tyro. > > > Speaking as someone who likes where Bryan is at now and later solo stuff. He seems so deeply involved with his art that his products, although few and far between, are just that, magnificent works of art. Not just product. As far as I'm concerned he is so tweaked and vital, he's like a mad scientist, he's locked away from us, cooking up something really special down in the laboratory, for insane amounts of time working on insane, otherworldly experiments, as his product reflects...the madness...and you guys just saying "hey give it a break, it'll always be there, put out something frivolous, the fans need it". Let me check my B movie plot line...Oh yeah...not going to happen. And I, for one say, great, it's worth the wait. Don't put it down for a minute, you have your finger on the button. Press away. I was just cruising in my new Town Car listening to Bete Noire, not even Mamouna, and I just had to say to myself "this is the kind of shit that changes your life". How many years has it been? Ten, eleven. It's a masterpiece. Gilmour and Knoffler. I almost lost control. Don't worry... leather interior. It was a wonderful experience. Will ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:45:11 -0700 From: dawndalion Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall Jim, My guess... What do I hang my hopes upon? I hang them upon the notion that Yes... Yes... Yesssss, YES.. Bryan is the Sex Machine. I imagine him to very very passionate, tender, loving... Yeah, Lucy is lucky to have him, that is for sure. But you know....you all may not believe this, but I am sorta a wild child myself (no leg wrestling.... just dancing on tables, that sort of nonsense), and I think that Bryan could be hard to live with if you are a Wild Chick like Jerry. At least from HER accounts of their relationship.... Dawne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:48:31 -0700 From: dawndalion Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Stones & Drugs/Ferry in a Club/Pictures of Lucy Will, I don't think any of Bryan's stuff is, or has ever been, "product." And I loved his old 70's stuff.... Bete Noire was/is masterful....beautiful. The pain of the title song. Great tour, I might add... Dawne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:54:14 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Stones & Drugs/Ferry in a Club/Pictures of Lucy > Speaking as someone who likes where Bryan is at now and later solo stuff. He >seems so deeply involved with his art that his products, although few and far >between, are just that, magnificent works of art. Not just product. As far as I'm >concerned he is so tweaked and vital, he's like a mad scientist, he's locked away >from us, cooking up something really special down in the laboratory, for insane >amounts of time working on insane, otherworldly experiments, as his product >reflects...the madness...and you guys just saying "hey give it a break, it'll always >be there, put out something frivolous, the fans need it". Let me check my B movie >plot line...Oh yeah...not going to happen. And I, for one say, great, it's worth the >wait. Don't put it down for a minute, you have your finger on the button. Press >away. I was just cruising in my new Town Car listening to Bete Noire, not even >Mamouna, and I just had to say to myself "this is the kind of shit that changes your >life". How many years has it been? Ten, eleven. It's a masterpiece. Gilmour and >Knoffler. I almost lost control. Don't worry... leather interior. It was a wonderful >experience. > Will One album of original material in ten years? How many albums of material is he sitting on? Pull the trigger. He may never match "Boys and Girls" and "Bete Noire" no matter how long he takes, but who cares? Give us what you got, and come to town. I didn't think the material on "Mamouna" came close to the previous two original offerings. The production, engineering etc.. were never better, but the material wasn't as strong, why else would he perform a song that's 20 years old on Letterman instead of promoting the new album? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:05:13 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall >......and I think that Bryan could be hard to live with if you are >a Wild Chick like Jerry. At least from HER accounts of their >relationship.... >Dawne I think a guy like Bryan likes things more controlled. Mick is perfect for her. He doesn't care. I have a Stones video from PBS of there latest tour. It has Dave Mathews coming up and singing with Mick and Keith on "Wild Horses". He's flat, loud and bad. Mick doesn't let it bother him a bit, gives him a hug when it's over. Bryan would be horrified even though he would never put himself in that position . Not a knock, just different people. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:10:38 -0700 From: dawndalion Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pictures of Jerry Hall Jim, Good point about Mick, who I admire for that quality....In fact, I really dig him for that little tidbit you shared with us.... And you are most definitely correct with your prediction of Bryan... Exactly...Just different people, and I love 'em both (BF is #1....) I agree on ALL comments, Good night, all... Dawne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 03:33:04 -0400 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Our Goddess - -----Original Message----- From: jspellma@techadvisers.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jerry Hall, Our Goddess >>Blather on about the Stones, Clapton and assorted other Worthless Old >Grannies >>Of Rock, but leave Jerry Hall out of it. I'd take her over some >Mapplethorpe- >>posing antique-collecting Vogue nonentity anyday. > >>VAPOR > >Amazing. This is exactly how my ex-wife feels and this is >where she ends up every time we talk about Bryan. Holy Cow. > >Jim > I`m afraid I`m going to have to side with Vapor and Dawne on this one. Say what you want about Jerry but she still looks great after all these years and she`s never boring. She`s the quintessential white trash bad girl with nothing going for her but a pretty face and a great body who managed to get out of Pig Shit, Texas and end up wife of Mick Jaggar...... by way of Brian of course. But Brian certainly could have had his pick of the ladies and he definitely didn`t pursue Jerry for her high intelligence, sophistication or social standing. He had to have some idea ( or should have ) of what she was when he decided to get involved with her and you can`t fault anyone, even Jerry, for ending a relationship they no longer feel good about. I`m sure many people on this list has gone through that emotional blood-letting. Brian and Jerry just wern`t meant for each other and I believe he knew this from the start but went for it none the less. I mean, what guy wouldn`t jump at a chance to land a georgous blonde with legs up to her neck and if she comes from the low-rent section of trailer trash hell, well, a great ass has a way of making you look the other way, and Brian was no exception. I wonder how the other band members view(ed) Jerry? Gene ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #209 **************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org