From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #183 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, July 24 1998 Volume 03 : Number 183 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Curved Air ["S.J.Batie" ] RE: [AVALON] Curved Air [jspellma@techadvisers.com] Re: [AVALON] Curved Air [Jeff Kay ] Re: [AVALON] Who Wants A Copy? ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Curved Air ["Victor Hastings" ] [AVALON] 1st Kiss [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dav=ECd?= ] [AVALON] born poor [Rex Estorffe ] Re: [AVALON] 1st Kiss [HipChip ] [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #182 ["Vicente Dobroruka" ] [AVALON] Golden Dreams [jspellma@techadvisers.com] Re: [AVALON] Who Wants A Copy? ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Show us the money, show me initiative [Heather Marie Propes ] [AVALON] Read this one - and I promise I will quit [Heather Marie Propes ] Re: [AVALON] 1st Kiss ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Golden Dreams ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #182 [Dawndalian@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Curved Air [tfagan ] Re: [AVALON] Enough is Enough [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Who Wants A Copy? [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] "If There Is Something" on VIVA! [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Golden Dreams [davdmock@America.net] [AVALON] A final thought from the sidelines [jas2347@xsite.net] Re: [AVALON] A final thought from the sidelines [Dawndalian@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] VAPOR: Where ARE you??? [Dawndalian@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] A final thought from the sidelines [Heather Marie Propes Subject: RE: [AVALON] Curved Air Prior to Roxy he played with Curved Air, fronted of course by the lovely Sonja Christina. I saw him in Newcastle in the early seventies playing in a Teesside based band whose name escapes me. Anyone oblige ?? s > -----Original Message----- > From: jspellma@techadvisers.com [SMTP:jspellma@techadvisers.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 1998 4:14 AM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Curved Air > > Curved Air, did Eddie Jobson play in this band? > Anybody heard it? > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:50:20 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: RE: [AVALON] Curved Air >Prior to Roxy he played with Curved Air, fronted of course by the lovely >Sonja Christina. >I saw him in Newcastle in the early seventies playing in a Teesside >based band whose name escapes me. Anyone oblige ?? >s He must have been quite young. Did he record with Curved Air? Anything worth looking for? Also I saw EJ solo album circa 1984, green cover.Any reviews out there? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:52:20 -0400 From: Jeff Kay Subject: Re: [AVALON] Curved Air yes he did just prior to Roxy, very good band. on another topic, in America when the deers heards get too large they send in hunters to "thin out the heard". jspellma@techadvisers.com wrote: > Curved Air, did Eddie Jobson play in this band? > Anybody heard it? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:07:12 -0000 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Who Wants A Copy? - -----Original Message----- From: ASchulberg@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 1:42 AM Subject: [AVALON] Who Wants A Copy? >Gene > >Guess I missed it. What are we talking about copying? > >Arnie > These are late comers wanting a copy of the Stockholm show. I`m getting ready to release the Boston '74 and N.Y./London '75 (both on the same 2 cd set) and the Better Than Food boot. It`s been kind of hectic at work right now, so I`ll have to hold off until things slow down a bit. I`m hoping to get the ball rolling in a week or so. I`ve been experimenting with mp3 software and I hope to offer all of these show via the "bootleg archive" for download, again, as soon as things slow down a bit. I`m not real sure what to make of that RoxyMusic.com page, but if Manzanera is truly involved with this, I`m sure it will spill over into the Avalon list and that could spell the end of boots in one form or another, as not to offend his interest. I don`t know, but I`m sure we`ll find out soon enough. Cheers. Gene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 07:50:36 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Curved Air - -----Original Message----- From: jspellma@techadvisers.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 6:40 AM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Curved Air >Also I saw EJ solo album circa 1984, >green cover.Any reviews out there? > if you want one man's opinion ... don't bother. it was a big disappointment, right up there with the horrendous manzanera-wetton collaboration. i listened a few times and then either hid it away or traded it in. it reminded me of a a collaboration between asia and a very off-day rush. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:51:22 -0400 (EDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dav=ECd?= Subject: [AVALON] 1st Kiss Arnie-- I was exceptionally thrilled with my dubbed copy of 1st Kiss because the quality was, to my mind, much better than that of 'When We Were Young'-- I would almost venture to say that it might have been taken from the BBC Master tapes. Plus it contains much extra material. Should it be of interest to anyone, here's the track listing: Roxy Music 1st Kiss/Chance Meeting (1972-1973, live and studio live) 4/1/72: If There Is Something/The Bob (medley)/Would You Believe?/Sea Breezes/ Re-Make/Re-Model/ 23/5/72: Virginia Plain/Chance Meeting/2 HB/Bitters End/Ladytron/ 18/7/72: Virginia Plain/If There Is Something Old Grey Whistle Test 1972: Ladytron/ 'In Concert' 1972: The Bob (medley)/The Bogus Man (part 2)/Sea Breezes/Virginia Plain/Chance Meeting/Re-Make/Re-Model/ 5/3/73: Do The Strand/Pyjamarama/Editions Of You/ Old Grey Whistle Test 1973: Do The Strand Cheers, David DavdMock@America.Net CPL593H! -Bryan Ferry, 1972 _______________________________ |Have a look at my web site... | |Shakatak | |Swing Out Sister | |80's UK pop | | (Peter Godwin, Fashion, | | Modern Romance, Belouis Some,| | Strange Advance,Mari Wilson) | |Atlanta Bands | | (Rose Whipperr & Marc Stowe, | | The Brains, Face Of Concern, | | Design, Liking The Idea) | |Lounge Music | |Hamlet & | |Raymond Chandler pages | |An Atlanta Argosy | |Lotsa cool stuff! | - ------------------------------- http://www.america.net/~davdmock/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:43:10 -0700 From: Rex Estorffe Subject: [AVALON] born poor I'll say it again,checked my diaper! not a penny, bryan probably did the same, Dawne & Heather you took the bait swallowed the hook shame on you i did ok. and mah legs don't hurt, rexy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:12:46 -0500 From: HipChip Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1st Kiss This being the case, when my order of this 2 disc CD set arrives, I would be happy to send it off the whereever it needs to go for another CD Tree. Just let me know if the group is interested and the facilitors are willing and able. I'm told by the store from where I ordered it that I should have it in three to four weeks. My apologies for distracting the group into the land of Limbaughesque dialog. Davěd wrote: > Arnie-- > > I was exceptionally thrilled with my dubbed copy of 1st Kiss because the > quality was, to my mind, much better than that of 'When We Were Young'-- I > would almost venture to say that it might have been taken from the BBC > Master tapes. Plus it contains much extra material. Should it be of > interest to anyone, here's the track listing: > > Roxy Music 1st Kiss/Chance Meeting (1972-1973, live and studio live) > 4/1/72: If There Is Something/The Bob (medley)/Would You Believe?/Sea > Breezes/ Re-Make/Re-Model/ > 23/5/72: Virginia Plain/Chance Meeting/2 HB/Bitters End/Ladytron/ > 18/7/72: Virginia Plain/If There Is Something > Old Grey Whistle Test 1972: Ladytron/ > 'In Concert' 1972: The Bob (medley)/The Bogus Man (part 2)/Sea > Breezes/Virginia Plain/Chance Meeting/Re-Make/Re-Model/ > 5/3/73: Do The Strand/Pyjamarama/Editions Of You/ > Old Grey Whistle Test 1973: Do The Strand > Cheers, > David > DavdMock@America.Net > > CPL593H! > -Bryan Ferry, 1972 > _______________________________ > |Have a look at my web site... | > |Shakatak | > |Swing Out Sister | > |80's UK pop | > | (Peter Godwin, Fashion, | > | Modern Romance, Belouis Some,| > | Strange Advance,Mari Wilson) | > |Atlanta Bands | > | (Rose Whipperr & Marc Stowe, | > | The Brains, Face Of Concern, | > | Design, Liking The Idea) | > |Lounge Music | > |Hamlet & | > |Raymond Chandler pages | > |An Atlanta Argosy | > |Lotsa cool stuff! | > ------------------------------- > > http://www.america.net/~davdmock/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:47:36 -0700 From: "Vicente Dobroruka" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #182 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:13:31 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: [AVALON] Curved Air Curved Air, did Eddie Jobson play in this band? Anybody heard it? Dear fellow Avalonians, It seems this was Andy Summers' band pre-Police (or was it Stewart Copeland's?). If I am right it was a kind of progressive band, active until '77. But I am not sure about this date. PLEASE, would you ladies and gents stick to what our list master said about "The usual political stuff" etc.? If there is anything of the kind to be said, why not mail privately? Sorry Heather and Dawne (especially you, Heather, since we've talked before and you gave me such a nice welcome to this group), I share some of the opinions of both of you. But maybe we should just discuss all those things another time, another place... Best wishes for all, Vicente ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:17:10 +0100 From: John Kent Subject: RE: [AVALON] Curved Air Yes Eddie was in Curved air for a while- replacing as I undersatnd Darryl way(violin) and Francis Monkman (Keyboards) I have not heard Curved Air with Eddie, but the other things they did such as vivaldi, it happened are great progressive rock. john > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > jspellma@techadvisers.com > Sent: 23 July 1998 04:14 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Curved Air > > > Curved Air, did Eddie Jobson play in this band? > Anybody heard it? > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:56:15 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: [AVALON] Golden Dreams Thanks for all the feedback on Curved Air. Now another request. I recently picked up Roxy Music "Golden Dreams" double album on vinyl. It's from 1982 (nude Marilyn Monroe on cover) I don't have anything to play it on right now and am wondering what to expect. Anybody heard this? Thanks, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:41:15 -0000 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Who Wants A Copy? - -----Original Message----- From: Decophile To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Who Wants A Copy? >-----Original Message----- >From: ASchulberg@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 1:42 AM >Subject: [AVALON] Who Wants A Copy? > SHEESH!!!! Sorry sbout that! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:53:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] Show us the money, show me initiative On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 Dawndalian@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/22/98 7:40:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > > > > > Hooray for Micky Mouse! > > > > the above in reference to a mention of Reagan) > > Hey Gang, in the name of Fairness, I guess we should include some Commies..... > cheer hooray for Mass Murderer Josef Stalin..... > Excellent observation. They all have their similarities, don't they? Reagan, Stalin, Mickey Mouse.... > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:01:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: [AVALON] Read this one - and I promise I will quit Everyone - I'm very sorry for that last comment. I absolutely PROMISE to stop now. Dawne, whatever you say, I'm not going to answer you. So if you want the last word, say it now...... Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:55:07 -0000 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1st Kiss - -----Original Message----- From: HipChip To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] 1st Kiss >This being the case, when my order of this 2 disc CD set arrives, I would be >happy to send it off the whereever it needs to go for another CD Tree. Just >let me know if the group is interested and the facilitors are willing and >able. I'm told by the store from where I ordered it that I should have it >in three to four weeks. Sounds good to me. As of right now though, I`m completely showed under at work. It`ll be another week or so before I see light. Cheers. Gene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:02:28 -0000 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Golden Dreams - -----Original Message----- From: jspellma@techadvisers.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 9:45 PM Subject: [AVALON] Golden Dreams >Thanks for all the feedback on Curved Air. Now >another request. I recently picked up Roxy Music >"Golden Dreams" double album on vinyl. It's from >1982 (nude Marilyn Monroe on cover) I don't have >anything to play it on right now and am wondering >what to expect. Anybody heard this? > >Thanks, > >Jim According to the Roxy Bootleg Archive, the only info listed is as follows: Live in Rotterdam and New York City 1982. fair quality mono, not a line feed, but not recorded from in the audience. (This probably means it was recorded from the monitor) Fades out after each song. <--------Jeeeze! I hate that! It has the same track listing as the Radio City show, a boot of excellent quality and still pretty easy to come by. Gene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:14:07 EDT From: Dawndalian@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #182 In a message dated 7/23/98 2:35:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, vicente@guarany.cpd.unb.br writes: > > be said, why not mail privately? Sorry Heather and Dawne (especially you, > Heather, since we've talked before and you gave me such a nice welcome to > this group), I share some of the opinions of both of you. But maybe we Dear Vincente, I would have done it privately, but I already have tried and Heather has blocked my email.... So now the truth is out. I for one, embrace OPEN dialogs (of course we should stay on track with Roxy Info), and try in earnest to avoid the emotional morass that others seem to find themselves in when speaking of politics.... Dawne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 98 20:29:37 PDT From: tfagan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Curved Air curved air's big prog rock "hit" was "phantasmagoria" which i heard untold number of times on the radio in the good ol' 70's. - --Theresa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:47:34 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Enough is Enough In a message dated 98-07-22 18:18:36 EDT, you write: << Hey Arnie what happened to the rest of the reviews? Did they stop at Siren or did Vapor Man scare you away? I liked reading these. >> I am not afraid of the Vapor Man. However, I am on the road this week and did not bring Christgau's book with me. There are several more Roxy reviews to post and then there are the Ferry posts as well. I will try to start posting the reviews again this weekend. Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:47:45 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Who Wants A Copy? Thanks for the update. Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:47:44 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] "If There Is Something" on VIVA! In a message dated 98-07-23 02:54:46 EDT, you write: << Anyone else who feels passionately descriptive about a Roxy song -- my CD tray is open! >> Thanks for the kind words. Now, who on this list described the violin solo in "Out of the Blue" as climbing straight up towards heaven in an F-16? Stand and identify yourself. Arnie P.S. Concerning the mellotron on VIVA's ITIS, any other instances of Roxy using this extremely King Crimson-ish instrument? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: davdmock@America.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Golden Dreams >Thanks for all the feedback on Curved Air. Now >another request. I recently picked up Roxy Music >"Golden Dreams" double album on vinyl. It's from >1982 (nude Marilyn Monroe on cover) I don't have >anything to play it on right now and am wondering >what to expect. Anybody heard this? Sadly, you shouldn't expect much. Each song is separated by a fade out/in, even Dance Away into Love Is The Drug. Quality is only OK. Also, on my copy the second LP was pressed off-centre, so there's an increasingly noticeable 'wow'. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. Cheers, Davd DavdMock@America.Net CPL593H! -Bryan Ferry, 1972 Have a look at my web site-- Shakatak, Swing Out Sister, Atlanta bands, Lounge music, lotsa cool stuff! http:/.america.net/~davdmock/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:09:49 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] A final thought from the sidelines I've not added my two cents to the latest thread(show me the money) because I wanted to see where it was going. It's been very interesting to see how ONE observation about Bryan's lifestyle, good or bad, led to liberalism,Marxism, Reganism, antangonism, classism, racism, sexism, et. al. It's good to see that we have some thinkers out there and that having an education, no matter how or where one accumulates it, is a good thing. I may not agree with everything that was said, but I applaud the freedom to do so. Constructive and instructive dialog will advance us all and help to try to at least bridge the gap(s) that seperate us. That's why I like the Internet and this list. No it's not liberalism, it's Humanism. We're all conncted thru the wires, so Let's Stay Together..... Jas PS: Not that it matters, but... I'm African-American,baby boomer,product of the inner-city and the suburbs, product of public AND parochial schools, college educated (BSBA), Accounting Manager, guitarist, eclectic since day one, Roxy Music Fan since 1973. Motto: Live and let live ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:21:59 EDT From: Dawndalian@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] A final thought from the sidelines Jas, May I be the first to applaud your ability to convey your viewpoint, and be steadfast, without inflaming others around you. It is a interestingnot ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:26:38 EDT From: Dawndalian@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] VAPOR: Where ARE you??? DAMN that touchpad mouse! SORRY!! Anyway, I find it to be an interesting notion you brought up: The idea of a Ferry discussion leading to such seemingly unrelated tangents..... It can be great fun, I believe, when people engage in lively debate, as long as those involoved can manage to rise above their emotions and avoid name-calling and knee-jerk, limbic responses. Great fun, now I ask again, WHERE IS THE VAPOR MAN?? Show yourself to US!! Regards, Dawne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:29:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] A final thought from the sidelines > I've not added my two cents to the latest thread(show me the money) > because I wanted to see where it was going. It's been very interesting > to see how ONE observation about Bryan's lifestyle, good or bad, led to > liberalism,Marxism, Reganism, antangonism, classism, racism, sexism, et. > al. It's good to see that we have some thinkers out there and that > having an education, no matter how or where one accumulates it, is a > good thing. I may not agree with everything that was said, but I > applaud the freedom to do so. Constructive and instructive dialog will > advance us all and help to try to at least bridge the gap(s) that > seperate us. That's why I like the Internet and this list. No it's not > liberalism, it's Humanism. We're all conncted thru the wires, so Let's > Stay Together..... Well put, Jas. You really want to see this thing perpetuated, don't you? Ciao, Micky Mouse > > Jas > PS: Not that it matters, but... I'm African-American,baby boomer,product > of the inner-city and the suburbs, product of public AND parochial > schools, college educated (BSBA), Accounting Manager, guitarist, > eclectic since day one, Roxy Music Fan since 1973. Motto: Live and let > live > > > ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #183 **************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org