From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #178 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, July 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 178 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] "If There Is Something" on VIVA! [Bahi Para ] [AVALON] Roxy Bass Players ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Show us the money [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Show us the money [Heather Marie Propes ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:47:22 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] "If There Is Something" on VIVA! I don't have a copy of Viva! handy so can't compare and contrast, but my favourite version of If There is Something is on an early Roxy (Peel Session) boot, sold under a variety of titles. I love Phil Manzanera's quirky playing but this version seems to feature his predecessor, whose name I've forgotten. (The guy who reportedly got into a fight with Paul Thompson before or during the performance for EG management.) Eno's present and creating an electronic storm, and Ferry's doing his Lennon thing: it's a cracking version. Goes on for ages, but not nearly long enough. Now I really want to hear it and realise I don't have a copy here either. Must... get... organised. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:50:16 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: [AVALON] Show us the money From The Sunday Times (19th July), a piece by Dylan Jones. It's about what it claims to be the accepted tastlessness of modern pop stars. (The Sunday times printed a well-publicised piece a few years ago accusing Ferry of wanting nothing more than to be a country squire. He was reported to be irate.) ========== [First 3 paragraphs skipped - no Ferry content.] Take Noel Gallagher and his wife. While it might be a little cruel to say so, looking at the photographs of their new house in a recent issue of Vogue reminded me of something a journalist once said of Tina Turner's home: is it really possible to spend $1m in Woolworth's?' [Snipped: stuff about the Q magazine list of rich pop stars...] The first pop star brazenly to flaunt his upwardly mobile ambitions was Bryan Ferry, whose whole demeanour in the 1970s - both as lead singer of Roxy Music, and as himself - was one of louche gentility. Money was never going to be a problem, because he had the taste to go with it, and admitted as much. He had highfalutin' clothes, made by the King's Road designer Anthony Price, famously dated Jerry Hall, consciously drove vintage sports cars, allowed himself to be photographed by the likes of Tatler and Hapers & Queen, and generally aspired to the finer things in life. His record covers, meanwhile, were little vignettes of prosperity and cool, often with the singer as star: lounging around the hotel pool dressed in full evening dress, sunning himself in St Tropez, casting himself as a moustachioed lothario, surrounded by upmarket totty. Of course, there was the element of role-play in what Ferry did, but far from wanting to disturb the Establishment he was eager to join it. He wanted in. There was nothing he wanted more than his own race horse, yacht and country pile. Though he was an anachronism, condemned by the downwardly mobile music press for having ideas above his station, Ferry's adventures in solipsism were hugely popular in the 1970s and his image as a well-dressed social climber became a blue-print, particularly for those groups that came in the wake of the New Romantics in the early 1980s. Consequently, that image became devalued, and soon urbane, bow-tied, slightly world-weary crooners were cropping up everywhere - ABC, Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet and all the other second-generation lounge lizards. For them, shopping in Molton Street, swanning about in limos and falling in and out of each other's swimming pools were part of a pop star's job description, not unseemly pacts with the devil. [Snipped: stuff about Cool Britannia.] Supernova Heights may be a shrine to schlock, but at least Noel [Gallagher] is proud of it: "It wasn't until a couple of months after we'd been here, when I was walking around picking up empty cans of Stella one night, that I looked at around and said to myself: "F***in' 'ell, what a gaff!" ========= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:13:48 -0000 From: "Decophile" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Bass Players Why couldn`t Roxy keep a permanate bass player? How many have they had altogether? Any one have a favorite? It`s interesting to note that there are 4 listed on the Viva! album: John Wetton, John Gustafson, Rick Wills and Sal Maida (who doesn`t appear on any of the studio albums, up to Siren anyway). I wonder how many shows this album was cut from? Bass players appearing only on studio albums include John Porter( I believed he played in early shows?...but), Ric Kenton (appearing only on Virginia Plain), and Graham Simpson. John Gustafson played on the Boston '74 and N.Y./London '75 boots, as well as in the show I saw. Rick Wills appears on the '76 Stockholm and N.Y. boots. When did Wetton and Maida appear? Wetton only shows up on Ferry`s solo work and shows. Could some of the Viva! tracks come from a Ferry solo show? And who is Sal Maida? Anyway, that`s a hell of a lot of bass players for 5 albums. Gene ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:27:53 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Show us the money << F***in' 'ell, what a gaff!" >> And for Americans that would mean ????????? Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:41:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] Show us the money > The first pop star brazenly to flaunt his upwardly mobile ambitions was > Bryan Ferry, whose whole demeanour in the 1970s - both as lead singer of > Roxy Music, and as himself - was one of louche gentility. Money was never > going to be a problem, because he had the taste to go with it, and admitted > as much. He had highfalutin' clothes, made by the King's Road designer > Anthony Price, famously dated Jerry Hall, consciously drove vintage sports > cars, allowed himself to be photographed by the likes of Tatler and Hapers I admit there is an element of truth the that description, but I think Ferry's representation of wealth is ironic, not merely imitative. Of course, in every "joke" there is an element of reality. I wonder why he became so irate when the article came out? Of course, I call myself a Marxist. I wonder why I am so attracted to RM? > & Queen, and generally aspired to the finer things in life. His record > covers, meanwhile, were little vignettes of prosperity and cool, often with > the singer as star: lounging around the hotel pool dressed in full evening > dress, sunning himself in St Tropez, casting himself as a moustachioed > lothario, surrounded by upmarket totty. > Sounds like a famous Helmut Newton photo, but I don't remember ever having seen Ferry in such a setting. > Of course, there was the element of role-play in what Ferry did, but far > from wanting to disturb the Establishment he was eager to join it. He > wanted in. There was nothing he wanted more than his own race horse, yacht > and country pile. I think that is true of every British person, at least a fascination with the Eaton crowd. Their rigid class structure, which manifests itself down to the level of dialect, guarantees it. Look at D.H. Lawrence! > wake of the New Romantics in the early 1980s. Consequently, that image > became devalued, and soon urbane, bow-tied, slightly world-weary crooners > were cropping up everywhere - ABC, Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet and all the > other second-generation lounge lizards. For them, shopping in Molton > Street, swanning about in limos and falling in and out of each other's > swimming pools were part of a pop star's job description, not unseemly > pacts with the devil. > Like I said, I think this is just British life. Hey, this guy is writing a discography of my favorite bands! I'd love to live in England, but I wounldn't like to have been born poor! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:39:38 -0700 From: Rex Estorffe Subject: Re: [AVALON] Show us the money Heather Marie Propes wrote: > > > The first pop star brazenly to flaunt his upwardly mobile ambitions was > > Bryan Ferry, whose whole demeanour in the 1970s - both as lead singer of > > Roxy Music, and as himself - was one of louche gentility. Money was never > > going to be a problem, because he had the taste to go with it, and admitted > > as much. He had highfalutin' clothes, made by the King's Road designer > > Anthony Price, famously dated Jerry Hall, consciously drove vintage sports > > cars, allowed himself to be photographed by the likes of Tatler and Hapers > > I admit there is an element of truth the that description, but I think > Ferry's representation of wealth is ironic, not merely imitative. Of > course, in every "joke" there is an element of reality. I wonder why he > became so irate when the article came out? Of course, I call myself a > Marxist. I wonder why I am so attracted to RM? > > > & Queen, and generally aspired to the finer things in life. His record > > covers, meanwhile, were little vignettes of prosperity and cool, often with > > the singer as star: lounging around the hotel pool dressed in full evening > > dress, sunning himself in St Tropez, casting himself as a moustachioed > > lothario, surrounded by upmarket totty. > > > Sounds like a famous Helmut Newton photo, but I don't remember ever > having seen Ferry in such a setting. > > > Of course, there was the element of role-play in what Ferry did, but far > > from wanting to disturb the Establishment he was eager to join it. He > > wanted in. There was nothing he wanted more than his own race horse, yacht > > and country pile. > > I think that is true of every British person, at least a fascination with > the Eaton crowd. Their rigid class structure, which manifests itself down > to the level of dialect, guarantees it. Look at D.H. Lawrence! > > > wake of the New Romantics in the early 1980s. Consequently, that image > > became devalued, and soon urbane, bow-tied, slightly world-weary crooners > > were cropping up everywhere - ABC, Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet and all the > > other second-generation lounge lizards. For them, shopping in Molton > > Street, swanning about in limos and falling in and out of each other's > > swimming pools were part of a pop star's job description, not unseemly > > pacts with the devil. > > > Like I said, I think this is just British life. Hey, this guy is writing a > discography of my favorite bands! > > I'd love to live in England, but I wounldn't like to have been born poor! > > Heather I remember it well,checked my diapers not a penny!had to get my ass/arse in gear seems that bryan did just that good for him and us ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #178 **************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org