From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #151 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, June 21 1998 Volume 03 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] avalon cover ["Michael Hillman" ] Re: [AVALON] avalon cover ["Michael Hillman" ] [AVALON] New boy [Scotties ] Re: [AVALON] avalon cover [tfagan ] Re: [AVALON] New boy [Rex Estorffe ] Re: [AVALON] New boy [oolala ] Re: [AVALON] New boy [Dawndalian@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 02:04:32 +0300 From: "Michael Hillman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] avalon cover - ---------- > From: ShyGuy8119@aol.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] avalon cover > Date: 20 June 1998 07.22 > > In a message dated 98-06-19 23:04:09 EDT, you write: > > Anyway, being that Avalon was the last Roxy album, I saw Avalon and the image > on the cover as a sort of imagery representing the finality of this album > project.. Like Avalon was Roxy's swan song or something. Like when Arthur > died, and Excalibur was tossed back to the woman of the lake, Camelot was all > over (so I think: I am ready for your corrections, gang!!!). > > I like that interpretation very much, but there are so many, I don't think > there is just one...it can mean something different to everyone...this is one > of the many great things that I praise about the early '80s Roxy: their music > and BF's lyrics went to such amazing creative heights, that even the album > artwork can be analyzed into something of its own... > > I loved the album cover....so mysterious anhd enigmatic... and I did not know > that Lucy Ferry was the mystery-woman in the Celtic cloak and helmet. > > Yes, actually, in TTOIA book, there are outtakes from the album photo > shoots....on the side of each photo is a caption with the name of the > model(s)....the red haired model for Avalon was Lucy (I forget her maiden > name).. Her maiden name was Helmore...funnily enough the credits on the Thrill of It All collection call her Lucy Helmore even though she had been Ferry for the last 15 yrs... > > And I never saw the Avalon video.... Where can I get a copy? > > Somebody sent me a dubbed copy of the defunct "NightFlight" show from around > the time of "Boys & Girls"....I saw the Avalon video there...the video > coincides with the lyrics, BF is in this grand, picturesque house where he > sees the girl and they start dancing...and you also see him with the bird from > the cover... :-) Is that final remark meant to be crass???!!! When we say bird we mean literally...creature of the air > > Paul > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 02:01:38 +0300 From: "Michael Hillman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] avalon cover You mentioned he called one of his kids Merlin...more pertinently he called one of his kids Tara which is a track on Avalon Talking of BF's kids...does any one know why he called one of his kids Isaac?...was it some biblical inspiration perhaps or could it have been after some other inspirational figure? - ---------- > From: Dawndalian@aol.com > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] avalon cover > Date: 20 June 1998 05.44 > > Hello Gang, > > How 'bout a mythical, mystical interpretation? > Avalon: A Celtic word meaning, "the islands of apples," and in Celtic > mythology, referred to the Island of Blessed Souls. In the Arthurian Legends, > it is the > Abode and Burial Place of King Arthur, who was carried hither by Morgan le > Fay. > > With that in mind, I always thought that Avalon, the title and m ore > importantly, the cover and its appearance, had to do with the death of King > Arthur. > > And perhaps this idea could align itself with Reality, as Our Beloved Hero, > Bryan named one of his children, "Merlin." > > Apparently, the man digs on Arthurian mythology, as I dig on Greek mythology > (having named one of my boys, Carl Heracles, or Hercules)..... > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:39:12 From: Scotties Subject: [AVALON] New boy I'm a new boy at this sort of thing. I have never been a subscriber to a forum like this, having only recently joined the internet. However, as a dedicated BF and RM follower, I couldn't resist the temptation to leap in and try. If my decorum is inappropriate to this sort of discussion, I am sure someone will tell me if I'm out of order. Anyway, as a small contribution to the Avalon issue, could I suggest that you try this internet site: http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk It is a comprehensive site dedicated to the history of Avalon. As an aside, my wife and I have an eleven year old daughter we named Avalon. How's that for commitment!!! Look forward to some interesting stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 22:12:37 PDT From: tfagan Subject: Re: [AVALON] avalon cover debunking mode: Merlin is named after a falcon and not after "Merlin" of the Arthurian legend. When asked why he named his son "Isaac," Byran replied "I was feeling biblical." ... but she was Lucy "Helmore" when she was photographed for the cover of Avalon. ... the Avalon cover photograph should actually show the boat carrying Atrthur's body to Avalon like it did in the advert 16 years ago! - --Theresa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:21:00 -0700 From: Rex Estorffe Subject: Re: [AVALON] New boy Scotties wrote: > > I'm a new boy at this sort of thing. I have never been a subscriber to a > forum like this, having only recently joined the internet. However, as a > dedicated BF and RM follower, I couldn't resist the temptation to leap in > and try. If my decorum is inappropriate to this sort of discussion, I am > sure someone will tell me if I'm out of order. > > Anyway, as a small contribution to the Avalon issue, could I suggest that > you try this internet site: > > http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk > > It is a comprehensive site dedicated to the history of Avalon. > As an aside, my wife and I have an eleven year old daughter we named Avalon. > How's that for commitment!!! > > Look forward to some interesting stuff. You will get get some interesting stuff OK, how can you name a child based on YOUR selfish interests, through out her life she will be asked the origin of what you have done and she will have no idea! other than that WELCOME you are much closer to ferry land than we, maybe you can knock JIM LAWN up and give us some goooood info. i mght sound bitchy but my name is REX and i live in NEW ORLEANS (KING )of MARDI GRAS) its fun but it gets old after 50 years,ATTENTION DAWN! and i was the sexiest thing that walked Bourbon street for many a year dear! and will do it again come Feb. Studied that CD cover of AVALON and see no more than a three pronged helmet and a hunting bird "if it's real"(THATS IT BACK TO THE BOURBON) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:42:32 From: oolala Subject: Re: [AVALON] New boy scotties! i, for one, actually DO welcome you, and i think your sweet daughter will appreciate having a name with some depth instead of something akin to the current wave of spicegirl-type names... ...and YOUR decorum is fine, dear... !! welcome again! - - rose. - ------------------------------------------- At 11:39 AM 6.21.98, you wrote: >I'm a new boy at this sort of thing. I have never been a subscriber to a >forum like this, having only recently joined the internet. However, as a >dedicated BF and RM follower, I couldn't resist the temptation to leap in >and try. If my decorum is inappropriate to this sort of discussion, I am >sure someone will tell me if I'm out of order. > >Anyway, as a small contribution to the Avalon issue, could I suggest that >you try this internet site: > >http://www.isleofavalon.co.uk > >It is a comprehensive site dedicated to the history of Avalon. >As an aside, my wife and I have an eleven year old daughter we named Avalon. >How's that for commitment!!! > >Look forward to some interesting stuff. > > > > > - -------------------------------------- http://www.angelfire.com/ut/oola - -------------------------------------- ICQ UIN #4740929 - -------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:41:44 EDT From: Dawndalian@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] New boy Rex, Settle down with our New Member...your child WILL survive all the queries.... and she could go by Ava if she wanted to.... think of some other TRULY weird names, REX.... like, Moon Unit, Dweezil, Zowie Bowie......Avalon is pretty tame by comparison and a lot prettier. So there!!!! So Rex, leave the guy alone!!! Be nice and behave or I'll make you "sit in the Car," you parents all understand that one!!! Hugs to Avalon, Dawne....Dawndalian ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #151 **************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org