From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #147 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, June 16 1998 Volume 03 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Eddie & Bill [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] A Really good time [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: Updated [AVALON] New Roxy Music live album released! [Jeff Kay ] Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry [jspellma@techadvisers.com] Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry [Mark Sturdy ] Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry [ShyGuy8119@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff [Bahi Para ] [AVALON] Re: Bill Nelson [erik simpson ] Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry [jspellma@techadvisers.com] [AVALON] Prarie Rose Redux [jas2347@xsite.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:07:27 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eddie & Bill In a message dated 98-06-13 10:17:21 EDT, you write: << Recently, it was reported that he has signed with Robnert Fripp's DGM label. >> Hardcore King Crimson fan ASchulberg has not heard this but I'll see what I can find out. Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:26:30 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really good time << Maybe a question for EJ unless you can tell me Arnie. >> Wish I had a direct line to EJ but the only way I got the one question answered was through the moderator of the UK mailing list, In The Dead Of Night. I'd sent my question in months ago and assumed it was in the great ethereal vapor. I was very pleasantly surprised to find that it had been presented and answered. Still, EJ is one of my favorite Roxy-ians and, as regular readers of AVALON know, I regard Jobson-era Roxy as the acme of the band's career arc. Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:24:13 -0400 From: Jeff Kay Subject: Re: Updated [AVALON] New Roxy Music live album released! Ray Carrington wrote: > Released this week in the EC (and US probably): > > Roxy Music - Concert Classics [Ranch Life CRANCH2] playing time 70:00 > 1. Manifesto > 2. Angel Eyes > 3. Trash > 4. Out Of The Blue > 5. A Song For Europe > 6. Still Falls The Rain > 7. Ain't That So > 8. Stronger Through The Years > 9. Ladytron > 10. In Every Dreamhome A Heartache > 11. Love Is The Drug > 12. Do The Strand > 13. Re-Make/Re-Model > > Live in Rainbow Music Hall Denver, Colorado USA 1979. Remastered in > Nashville by Norm Simmer > Superb soundboard recording. Artwork looks like a boot, but it's not. > The recording seems to be licensed from Virgin (1995) > On inlay reference is made to: http://skymarshall.com/renaissance Got an e-mail from Skymarshall, they haven't received final clearance, but the album should be out in late July or early August. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:39:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Becker Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, tfagan wrote: > the latin and the french are dr simon puxley's translations of the english > verse that begins with "all these moments, lost in wonder..." Now, if we can decipher the German in "Bitter-Sweet"... :) - --Don - -- Don Becker becker@panther.adelphi.edu Unix System Administrator, Adelphi University http://www.adelphi.edu/don "I am not anything to you. I'm only me." --Always Almost, "Tread On" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:59:11 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry In a message dated 98-06-15 08:20:48 EDT, you write: << You must not forget the "ode to Jerry Hall" - Prairie Rose!!! The opening guitar and later on that incredible Mackay saxophone solo! "Oh what a state to be in!!!! You're tantalizing me!!!!!!!!!!">> So true. And the transition from that "bent" note that ends "A Really Good Time" to Phil's huge guitar strum is magnificent. Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:01:58 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry In a message dated 98-06-15 09:47:30 EDT, you write: << If I had to pick one from each album: >> That's an interesting concept. Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:20:42 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry If I had to pick one from each album: Roxy Music Lady Tron Editions of You Mother of Pearl Out of the Blue Both Ends Burning Pyjamarama (Viva) Trash Running Wild More Than This My Only Love (Heart Still Beating) Bryan Ferry You Won't See Me Smoke Gets in Your Eyes Casanova All Night Operator Can't Let Go Windswept The Right Stuff Rescue Me Your Painted Smile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:20:45 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Sturdy Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Arnie wrote: > In the back of one of my tape drawers I found a tape I made several years ago > (pre-Taxi) titled "Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry". Here were my choices then: > [snip] > You Go To My Head Yes! Fantastic, that one. Such a suave video with Kari-Ann, too. Who did the original? Was it Sinatra or someone? > Limbo > Kiss and Tell Mmmm . . . I can never decide on my favourites from Bete Noire. Think the title tracks's fantastic, though - that cajun feel, with the accordian and viola. Lovely. Bye, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 16:13:52 GMT From: "andy.cooper" Subject: [AVALON] Where do you find these details? Ray, Where do you find out about all these new releases? I ordered the Concert Classics from www.cow.co.uk at GBP9.50 inc postage, only to wander down Berwick Street, Soho the other night to find it at GBP7, doh! C'est la vie.... Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:03:03 -0400 From: derekc Subject: [AVALON] Bill Nelson Info owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org >OTOH, bill nelson >(formerly of be bop deluxe, a fairly good roxyish band) has churned out >gazillions of discs on some obscure private labels. don't see how he >makes any money at all on it, but then i haven't listened to anything of >his in a decade or more. it seems to me that if he could find an outlet >for his stuff, then so could jobson, if he were truly interested. Bill Nelson has had turbulent times, but then again it continues to be my theory that turbulence leads to creativity extremely often. In Bill's case he has been incredibly prolific. I'll give a quicky sort of history. For those who don't want to read it, please note that EVERY Roxy fan needs to own a copy of Bill Nelson's Red Noise album. It is hyperactive genious of the top order. A short Bill Nelson history, post BeBop Deluxe: he album Drastic Plastic was a futuristic departure from previous BeBop albums, and perfectly in line with Bill's visions of what music should become. Fortunately the album did very well. Unfortunately two of the band members quit and moved on. But with his keyboardist Bill founded his next group called "Red Noise" and in 1979 released the album "Sound On Sound." It was a somewhat loose amalgamation of musicians, but with the help of great producer John Leckie the whole become greater than the sum. The result was without a doubt the apex of Bill Nelson's creative genious, if not insanity. In response to this great gift to mankind EMI records ruined Bill's professional life. They refused outright to publish his next album, "Quit Dreaming And Get On The Beam." This stupidity went on for years. In the meantime Bill formed his own personally owned and run label called Cocteau. It was an outlet for his own music which EMI had screwed over, as well as an opportunity to produce the music of other bands, including the first two singles of "A Flock Of Seagulls" whom you might have heard of. At last EMI let Bill take the rights to his next album, which fortunately Mercury records was willing to release. The next album "Love That Whirls" was equally wonderful and memorable. During and this odd era Bill began to focus on home recording. The results at first were a bit quirky, but with time this became an outlet for some terrific work. I won't list all the albums from this era. Suffice to say the music is very private and very expressive. It tends to be instrumental, experimental, but always interesting and enjoyable. I would never call the work commercial, but neither would I call it negatively avant-garde. I think the words "Personal Joy" cover most of the music of this era. He also worked with a great many other musicians including David Sylvian, Gary Numan, and the godz of techno: Yellow Magic Orchestra. Bill had domestic troubles which lead to the current era of his music. In 1989 it rang in with his first fully vocal album in many years, a 4 CD box set which I personally find inspiring called: "Demonstrations of Affection." Meanwhile Bill's wicked manager absconded with the rights to the entire Cocteau label assets leaving Bill nearly bankrupt. What amazes me is that Bill almost never expressed his bitterness about this time in his music. It remained optimistic and inspired. With time his domestic life became realigned in a new direction, and the thief gave back the rights to Cocteau. Bill has continued with vocal music that has become increasingly dynamic with each release. I highly recommend "When the Satelite Sings" and "Practically Wired" to any Roxy fan. They are both loads of fun. Bill has continued to release a great deal of private music as well, all worth hearing, every single tune. He has been at work at a new studio album which should be released this year. His fan club is back up and running. Check on any of his recent albums for details. Bill is also a member of the band Channel Light Vessel with Roger Eno and friends, who have a couple enjoyable albums out. :-Derek Derek Currie, derekc@frontiernet.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:49:14 EDT From: ShyGuy8119@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry In a message dated 98-06-15 04:58:17 EDT, you write: << In the back of one of my tape drawers I found a tape I made several years ago (pre-Taxi) titled "Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry". Here were my choices then: Heart Is Still Beating (from "The High Road") >> Did you get HISB from the CD or the actual video tape? Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:10:32 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: RE: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff Teresa wrote >one of my all time fave eno offerings is his collaboration with the real >john cale up.> A wonderful thing. Had it on vinyl, made a tape which rearranged the tracks and replaced "Empty Frame" with "Grandfathge's House"* - and then bought it a fortnight ago on CD. I seem to have needed 6 years to get used to the pub-singer vocals of "Empty Frame" but now it sounds wonderful. Driftiing on the open sea must be one of Eno's favouite ideas but John Cale pinches it for "Voyage", on Hector Zazou's "Songs from the Cold Seas" album. It's a duet with Suzanne Vega, who seems to have been told: "Make like Laurie Anderson" - no bad thing. * b-side of 12" "Lay Me Love" vinyl release. Cale vocal, probably using the same Spanish translation text book(s) that inspired the truly wonderful "Cordoba". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:47:32 -0700 From: erik simpson Subject: [AVALON] Re: Bill Nelson At 06:07 AM 6/15/98 EDT, you wrote: ><< Recently, it was reported that he has signed with Robnert > Fripp's DGM label. >> > >Hardcore King Crimson fan ASchulberg has not heard this but I'll see what I >can find out. I have heard it from a variety of reliable sources. I know he was unhappy with UK label Voiceprint/Resurgence. Here is the quote from the Nelson Website; "According to Elephant Talk, an email digest concerning issues related to Robert Fripp included this post: "During the question and answer session of his recent Milwaukee show, Mr. Fripp said that Bill Nelson has signed with DGM. The label will also be re-releasing much of Mr. Nelson's old material. Mr. Fripp indicated, however, that he has no plans now or in the future to record an album with Mr. Nelson." Regarding BeBop Deluxe, I was fortunate enough to see them live a couple of times. Once sandwiched between Paris, an odd, shortlived band w/Bob Welch (right after he left Fleetwood Mac and prior to his brief solo fame), Glenn Cornick, (Jethro Tull), and Hunt Sales (Iggy, Bowie), and Golden Earring, and once opening for (of all people) Ted Nugent (who I have always despised). They were very good both times, but the Paris/GE bill was probably better, due to at least a slightly more sympathetic bill. Had it not been for Bill's considerable guitar playing abilities, BeBop could well have met a fair bit of abuse from Nugents audience (which was probably everyone in the auditorium, excluding my friends and I), instead of the impatient indifference they recieved instead. Their complete image and direction was totally at odds with Nugents. (The phrase "duh!" comes to mind) Derek C did an admirable job of giving Nelson's massive catalog a quick once over. Strangely enough, B Nelson recently became the topic of conversation on a totally unrelated list. One thing that was mentioned, that I tend to agree with is that at times he is, perhaps, TOO prolific. Only the diehard fan (like me) is going to want it all, and at times, people who might well have liked "Love that Whirls" (soaring, inventive electronic pop) were put off by "The Summer of God's Piano" or "A Catalog of Obsessions" (stark, ambient instrumental sketches) and vice versa. Even a hardcore fan such as I had a fair amount of trouble with "My Secret Studio", a collection of home studio recordings done working very swiftly (something like his THIRD 4 record set in about a decade, not counting all his regular releases, which included a couple 2 record sets). His prolific output has its roots in his penchant for working quickly, obviously. "Totally Wired" (his "guitar" album) which I found to be a fairly intricate piece of work was done top to bottom in about 2 weeks. (Bryan Ferry and David Sylvian are you listening?) I am glad he has retuned to featuring his excellent guitar playing more in recent years, and all his recent recordings, "Practically Wired", "After The Satellites Sing", "Confessions of a Hyperdreamer-My Secret Studio Vol.II" (a 2 record set) and the 2 Channel Light Vessel cds, are excellent. And they all came out in the period since '94. That's 6 cds in 4 years. (Bryan Ferry and David Sylvian are you listening?) Bye; Erik Simpson eriks@on-ramp.ior.com http://www.ior.com/~eriks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:04:30 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry Heart Is Still Beating (from "The High Road") >> Did you get HISB from the CD or the actual video tape? Paul I've noticed some of the songs on HISB are the same as on the High Road video, and some are from different nights. The most noticable for me is Andy McKay's sax solo in "My Only Love". The High Road version is good, but just OK compared to the version on the CD. He just rips it off, in total controll. When I go back to the video it seems like he is trying to do the same type of thing but it doesn't have the same flow as that particualr night. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:25:39 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Prarie Rose Redux Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:26:51 -0700 From: Frank and Liz Smith Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best of Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry You must not forget the "ode to Jerry Hall" - Prairie Rose!!! The opening guitar and later on that incredible Mackay saxophone solo! "Oh what a state to be in!!!! You're tantalizing me!!!!!!!!!!" Uh, I hate to burst your bubble, but just over a year ago, before the present Avalon discussion list went down (and never really discussed), we had an extended discussion about this song and it was NOT about Jeri Hall. This song was written well before Ms. Jeri entered the picture( to be more precise she was hired to be the model on Siren which was released after Country Life). She and Bryan hooked up after that shoot. It seems in retrospect that that song would fit her to a T. I wished I would have saved that very long discusion we had but, it all came down to the fact that Bryan was writing about someone else. Jeri herself detailed their first encounter in Tall Tales ( which by the way was excerpted on this list by a fellow (read Ms.) Avalonian. If you find the book anywhere, pick it up. It's nto a great read, but at least our Bryan is given his due ( she did break his heart though) ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #147 **************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org