From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #145 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, June 14 1998 Volume 03 : Number 145 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] New Roxy Music live album released! ["Ray Carrington" ] [AVALON] Eddie & Bill [jas2347@xsite.net] [AVALON] Bitter and sweet [jas2347@xsite.net] Re: [AVALON] Eddie & Bill [mfutoma@webtv.net (Martin Futoma)] Re: [AVALON] Mr. Pleasant's question ["Victor Hastings" ] [AVALON] Still more...Re's to Mr. Pleasant's question [jspellma@techadvis] Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time [jspellma@techadvisers.com] Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time ["Victor Hastings" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:35:36 PDT From: "Ray Carrington" Subject: [AVALON] New Roxy Music live album released! Released this week in the EC (and US probably): Roxy Music - Concert Classics [Ranch Life CRANCH2] playing time 70:00 1. Manifesto 2. Angel Eyes 3. Trash 4. Out Of The Blue 5. A Song For Europe 6. Still Falls The Rain 7. Ain't That So 8. Stronger Through The Years 9. Ladytron 10. In Every Dreamhome A Heartache 11. Love Is The Drug 12. Do The Strand 13. Re-Make/Re-Model Live in Rainbow Music Hall Denver, Colorado USA 1979. Remastered in Nashville by Norm Simmer Superb soundboard recording. Artwork looks like a boot, but it's not. The recording seems to be licensed from Virgin (1995) On inlay reference is made to: http://skymarshall.com/renaissance Ordering info: Concert Classics, division of RME Inc. PO Box 681786 Franklin TN 37068-1786, USA. Ranch Life Records CRANCH2. Ray ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:39:43 PDT From: "Ray Carrington" Subject: [AVALON] Eno remixes There was some discussion about the Brian Eno "39 Steps" remixes. A couple of months ago a few Virgin acetates came on the market. Tracklist: "The 39 Steps Eno Remixes" 1. First Studio Remix (this became "the Brian Eno mix" 2. Technoramic mix 3. Tech-Rock 4. Tech-Rock with LOVE LOVE Ending 5. Accelerator Edit To my opinion, the Accelerator Edit is far better than the mix that finally made it on the Mamouna EP. Ray ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:04:03 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Eddie & Bill Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:52:53 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: Re(2): [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Answers Questions ..which may explain why he has done nothing since. OTOH, bill nelson (formerly of be bop deluxe, a fairly good roxyish band) has churned out gazillions of discs on some obscure private labels. don't see how he makes any money at all on it, but then i haven't listened to anything of his in a decade or more. it seems to me that if he could find an outlet for his stuff, then so could jobson, if he were truly interested. Thanks for mentioning another band who had touches of brilliance but never received the recognition that they deserved-well at least here in America. I loved Be-Bop Deluxe and would have like to have seen them live when they were together. Did they ever tour with Roxy ( I'm sure that would have been a show!)? What is Bill Nelson up to these days? I remember it is was some years ago that he appeared here(Chicago) for a concert, but without much fanfare. I did not find out about it until after the fact. Jas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:20:55 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Bitter and sweet Heather wrote: You hit it right on the head, Jim! What is it about Ferry's vocals on that song that is so perfect for the lyrics? Like when he sings, "Or is it cocaine," he just sounds so, I don't know, provocative. You're right, that album is wonderful. Like the best of them (For Your Pleasure, Siren) it seems to span human consciousness, from the cavalier decadence of "The Thrill of It All" or "A Really Good Time," to the self consciouness of "Bittersweet" or "Casanova," to the downright guilt of "Triptych" (I imagine him in church the morning after a wild party wondering how he could have let himself come to this, like Madame Bovary. Man, can he write! My sentiments exactly-althouh I have never gotten the concept behind Triptych. I will say though that Bittersweet takes on an added resonance for me . I met someone ( a German tourist from Nurenberg)on a Carribean Cruise in 1995 whose memory still haunts me to this day. Everytime I hear that, it evokes that memory of the time and the place ( I won't go into the circumstances) where two very different paths crossed.. Afterwards, I sent a tape of Bittersweet to that person. No, that person had never heard of Roxy Music(strange but true), but loved that song especially the middle part where Bryan sings in German. My favorite on Country Life has, and still is, Out of the Blue, but Bittersweet is running a close second for me. It was Bitter and Sweet but,oh the thrill of it all................ Herr Jas (Chi-town) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:15:27 -0400 From: mfutoma@webtv.net (Martin Futoma) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eddie & Bill - --WebTV-Mail-275657248-172 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Jas, Re: Bill Nelson- After years of sorting out legal problems with ex record labels and managers, Nelson has won in court the ownership of his back catalog. Recently, it was reported that he has signed with Robnert Fripp's DGM label. Bill released two critically acclaimed albums in the 90's: "Practically Wired", and "After The Satellite Sings". An excellent fan site is at http://www.billnelson.com Martin - --WebTV-Mail-275657248-172 Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT From: jas2347@xsite.net Message-ID: <358278C3.6302@xsite.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:04:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Avalon Discussion Group Subject: [AVALON] Eddie & Bill Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-avalon@smoe.org Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:52:53 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: Re(2): [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Answers Questions ..which may explain why he has done nothing since. OTOH, bill nelson (formerly of be bop deluxe, a fairly good roxyish band) has churned out gazillions of discs on some obscure private labels. don't see how he makes any money at all on it, but then i haven't listened to anything of his in a decade or more. it seems to me that if he could find an outlet for his stuff, then so could jobson, if he were truly interested. Thanks for mentioning another band who had touches of brilliance but never received the recognition that they deserved-well at least here in America. I loved Be-Bop Deluxe and would have like to have seen them live when they were together. Did they ever tour with Roxy ( I'm sure that would have been a show!)? What is Bill Nelson up to these days? I remember it is was some years ago that he appeared here(Chicago) for a concert, but without much fanfare. I did not find out about it until after the fact. Jas - --WebTV-Mail-275657248-172-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:38:27 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mr. Pleasant's question - -----Original Message----- From: jspellma@techadvisers.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, June 12, 1998 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mr. Pleasant's question >Victor wrote ....so just as he wouldn't have been crooning > about latex condoms in the 90s, he didn't sing about shaking > your booty in the 70's.... > > >now I'm in the dark, off the wall > let the strobe light up them all > I close my eyes and dance till dawn well, true -- but at least he didn't set that song to a disco beat! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:34:16 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff In a message dated 98-06-10 15:15:41 EDT, you write: << pick or make-up an acting role for any member of Roxy Music that comes into your head... for example, casting Bryan Ferry as a suave yet suspicious magician at a traveling seedy carnival, Andy Mackay a futuristic shamen, Phil Manzanera a world leader, Eno a brilliant mad scientist(hmmm....) >> Wasn't Eno cast as Riff-Raff in "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"? Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:34:26 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: A Really Good Time In a message dated 98-06-11 20:23:45 EDT, you write: << from the cavalier decadence of "The Thrill of It All" or "A Really Good Time," >> Funny, I always thought of "A Really Good Time" as being sung in Ferry's "sincere" voice as opposed to his arch or decadent voice. It sounds to make like he's expressing genuine empathy for the woman who's the subject of the song rather than putting her down. Anyone else feel that way? Arnie BTW, this song is a real hidden gem on "Country Life" IMHO. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:41:07 PDT From: "Heather Drain" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff ) > > Eno a brilliant mad scientist(hmmm....) >> > >Wasn't Eno cast as Riff-Raff in "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"? > >Arnie > Greetings! hehe not really that was Richard O'Brien, who also wrote the songs for "TRHPS" and the its not a sequel, not a prequel, but an equal "Shock Treatment" Your truly, heather ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:16:02 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: [AVALON] Still more...Re's to Mr. Pleasant's question >Victor wrote ....so just as he wouldn't have been crooning > about latex condoms in the 90s, he didn't sing about shaking > your booty in the 70's.... > > >now I'm in the dark, off the wall > let the strobe light up them all > I close my eyes and dance till dawn well, true -- but at least he didn't set that song to a disco beat! Yes, your right. It is far much more of a song than that, but if you listen to the last chorus of the song, the drummer plays open high hats (or whatever they're called) on the upbeats, a drum part heard in almost every disco song ever made. But of coarse the way it is used in "Dance Away" is far more effective. It's only played on the climax of the song. Man, they were so great at ending a song with a fade out. Like the last minute and a half of "More Than This". The way the instruments weave into each other, some stop for a while and then start up again, and none of them are doing much at all, but together it is like an ocean breeze ...I also love how Fonzi Thorton's vocals blend with Bryan's on this song...I am rambling ..I am so sorry.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:34:44 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time Funny, I always thought of "A Really Good Time" as being sung in Ferry's "sincere" voice as opposed to his arch or decadent voice. It sounds to make like he's expressing genuine empathy for the woman who's the subject of the song rather than putting her down. Anyone else feel that way? Arnie BTW, this song is a real hidden gem on "Country Life" IMHO. My, yes it is a gem. I love the song's intro. It's so out there, then it turns into a beautiful song. Then the strings come in. I can clearly hear a violin, but also, their are these guide tones being played on what could be a keyboard or strings, I don't know. It sounds like strings but with such a distant sound than the other violin track. Maybe an effect. Maybe a question for EJ unless you can tell me Arnie. As far as siding between you and Heather, I'll stay clear of that one. Peace, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:46:23 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - -----Original Message----- From: jspellma@techadvisers.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time (snip)>BTW, this song is a real hidden gem on "Country Life" IMHO. > >My, yes it is a gem. I love the song's intro. It's so out there, then it >turns into a beautiful song. Then the strings come in. >I can clearly hear a violin, but also, their are these guide tones being >played on what could be a keyboard or strings, I don't know. It sounds like >strings but with such a distant sound than the other violin track. echoing above comments.... this song, like so many others of theirs, is full of musical nuances. e.g., the use of multitracked vocals when ferry sings "we all know" at the song's end, as if to suggest a bevy of former lovers. it's similar to ferry's stereo-channel trick on 'sentimental fool' -- the vocals alternate between the right and left channels, an effect more noticeable with headphones. it turns the song into an inner debate: sentimental fool/knowing that fate is cruel/you ought to forget it' is answered by 'yes i know it's true/i've seen what love can do/but i don't regret it.' a nice touch. there's a place in my collection for raw, unrefined music -- i like the clash's early stuff a lot -- but i love songs and albums that have been _crafted_. end of ramble. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:01:15 -0000 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - -----Original Message----- From: jspellma@techadvisers.com To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time >Funny, I always thought of "A Really Good Time" as being sung in Ferry's >"sincere" voice as opposed to his arch or decadent voice. It sounds to make >like he's expressing genuine empathy for the woman who's the subject of the >song rather than putting her down. >Anyone else feel that way? >Arnie >BTW, this song is a real hidden gem on "Country Life" IMHO. > >My, yes it is a gem. I love the song's intro. It's so out there, then it >turns into a beautiful song. Then the strings come in. >I can clearly hear a violin, but also, their are these guide tones being >played on what could be a keyboard or strings, I don't know. It sounds like >strings but with such a distant sound than the other violin track. Maybe an >effect. Maybe a question for EJ unless you can tell me Arnie. As far as >siding between you and Heather, I'll stay clear of that one. > It`s too bad "A Really Good Time" wasn`t a permanent staple on all Roxy tours. It`s clearly one of the finest from that period. I find it odd that as Roxy drifted to a more high polished direction going into the 80`s, A.R.G.T. wasn`t included in their tour line up. It would have fit in well. The only live version of A.R.G.T. that I know of is on the Bittersweet bootleg (Boston '74) where Ferry claims they are playing it for the first time. It comes off sounding great and well polished. It`s definitely one of my favorite Roxy songs......that and "The Bob." (Just kidding. Don`t get me wrong, it`s not that I don`t like it, but I`ve never been able to figure it out. It`s definately one of their weirdest. I guess air raid sirens were big at that time.) Gene ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #145 **************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org