From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #142 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, June 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" [Don Becker ] Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Answers Questions [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Turps does Ferry [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Answers Questions [ASchulberg@aol.com] [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff [Mark Sturdy ] Re: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff [Al Barrios ] Re: [AVALON] Mr. Pleasant's question [Per Stade ] Re: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff [Heather Marie Propes ] Re: [AVALON] Mr. Pleasant's question [jspellma@techadvisers.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: [Will Frechette ] Re: [AVALON] An all-Casanova posting [jspellma@techadvisers.com] [AVALON] Edie Jobson [jas2347@xsite.net] Re: [AVALON] Mr. Pleasant's question ["Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 jspellma@techadvisers.com wrote: > What happened to the original? This song rocks. I was shocked when I found > the "Dance" version on the "Manifesto" CD. > With the more current version on so many greatest hits collections, how did > it sneak it's way onto the album? > It's like changing history. Was this always the case? I only have it on > vinyl. Is this on CD anywhere? Thanks. It's on the boxed set, restored to all its guitar-crunching glory... :) - --Don - -- Don Becker becker@panther.adelphi.edu Unix System Administrator, Adelphi University http://www.adelphi.edu/don "Deep down inside we're all one and the same" --Marillion, "The Last Straw" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:09:12 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Answers Questions In a message dated 98-06-09 14:43:42 EDT, you write: << Just kidding. pretty cool I saw him do that solo, it was unbelievable. That clear violin, we were all going what the f*** is that. >> I remember. Very amazing and, of course, they lit it so the light just beamed off the plexiglass. Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:09:17 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Turps does Ferry In a message dated 98-06-09 20:26:46 EDT, you write: << Yeah, that's right mate. Paul's my father. We live down here in Walkabout Creek. Hulk's my uncle and so is Colonel Hogan. By the way, is dad really the world's most famous Aussie? I thought it would be Rolf Harris. Jeff "Crocodile" Hogan >> And you guys invented the hoagie sandwich, right? Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:09:19 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Answers Questions In a message dated 98-06-09 21:38:46 EDT, you write: << Probably my favorite Roxy album, "Country Life" is when EJ really jelled with the band. Not as tame as "Siren", and he was more involved than on "Stranded". All of the players were on top of their game as far as I can hear. >> As I repeatedly exclaimed to the general nausea of the list, this is true. Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:21:57 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Sturdy Subject: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff I've just found this great, great Eno CD mini-album. It's called Dali's Car, and contains four tracks recorded for Top Gear (John Peel's Radio 1 show) in Feb 1974, and two with 801 from the Reading Festival in 1976. I think it might be a bootleg (no songwriting credits, appears to have been pressed in Germany, innaccurate back sleeve info), but it's great! The Peel tracks are Paw Paw Negro Blowtorch, Fever (yes, the Peggy Lee tune - fantastic!), and a medly of Baby's on Fire/I'll Come Running. A bit more rock-y and guitar-based than the album versions (especially I'll Come Running), and really quite funky. The 801 tracks are The Fat Lady of Limbourg and Third Uncle, neither of which I've heard anywhere else (although the titles seem familiar - are they from Taking Tiger Mountain or Before And After Science or something?), but again, they're top stuff, especially the lyrics to Fat Lady. Seek it out if you can. Re the discussion of Eno's solo albums . . . I've only really heard Here Come The Warm Jets and Another Green World, and find the former more accessible - it's got far too many first-rate, left-field pop songs to list here (although Dead Finks Don't Talk is worth mentioning for Eno's hilarious Ferry impersonation), with some wonderful lyrics. It's kind of like a quirker, low-fi version of early Roxy, I suppose - Mackay, Manzanera and Thompson all appear on it. Another Green World is a bit more abstract, but still well worth checking out - it's more mellow than Warm Jets, with some really nice songs (St Elmo's Fire was recently covered by Stereolab), and some more ambient stuff of the type he's since become known for, including the title track, which is now better known as the theme tune to Arena. Lots of guest stars too - Robert Fripp and Phil Collins, to name but the two I can remember. Bye, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:13:48 -0500 From: Al Barrios Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff Greetings everyone! Mark Sturdy wrote: > I've just found this great, great Eno CD mini-album. It's called Dali's > Car, and contains four tracks recorded for Top Gear (John Peel's Radio 1 > show) in Feb 1974, wow that sounds great, and oddly enough, Dali's Car, as some of you might know, was the name of the brief collaboration between Japan's bassist Mick Karn andBauhaus lead singer, Peter Murphy...unfortunatly i haven't had the chance to hear it, but would love to since, imho, Japan and Bauhaus are fantastic groups.... Oh and one more thing, I would like to see what everyone on the list could come up with for this idea....pick or make-up an acting role for any member of Roxy Music that comes into your head... for example, casting Bryan Ferry as a suave yet suspicious magician at a traveling seedy carnival, Andy Mackay a futuristic shamen, Phil Manzanera a world leader, Eno a brilliant mad scientist(hmmm....) and so on so on.... hell why not remake 'Amadeus' and cast Jobson as Mozart! i hope this inspires imagination, creativity or at least a chuckle.... Good day yours truly, Heather D.(the other heather ;-) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:25:24 +0200 From: Per Stade Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mr. Pleasant's question Middy Blue skrev: > I saw Bryan three times back in '94. Two of those times I took someone who was > not a Roxy fan, but open enough to go with me, and both times they were like > "Wo, who is this? Why isn't this played on the radio? Why haven't I heard > this?! Why haven't you played this for me?! Yeah, it was two women, but that's > besides the point. He was phenomenal live, and he made two new fans. > > And yes, it is definitely a turn on when a man likes Roxy. Says a lot about > them. That's all I'm saying about that! > > Be well > > Middy > Middyblue@aol.com Had problem with my Internetprovider for a while so I haven't read much from the list until today. In this far away corner of the world they still play RM frequently on the air. At least on the stations I'm listening to. "Avalon" of course but also "Slave To Love" and sometimes "Oh Yeah" and " Smoke Gets In Your Eyes". I believe it was the release of the album "More Than This" a few years ago that put new interest in RM's and BF's music here. In my opinion "More Than This" is an excellent best of album. With 9 tracks from the 70's and 9 from the 80's but only 2 from the 90's , it reflects the fact that BF has been rather improductive in the last decade, sorry to say. Per Stade ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:50:30 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff In a message dated 98-06-10 15:15:41 EDT, you write: << yours truly, Heather D.(the other heather ;-) >> Omigod, there's two of them??????????? Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:20:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff > I've just found this great, great Eno CD mini-album. It's called Dali's > Car, and contains four tracks recorded for Top Gear (John Peel's Radio 1 > show) in Feb 1974, and two with 801 from the Reading Festival in 1976. I > think it might be a bootleg (no songwriting credits, appears to have been > pressed in Germany, innaccurate back sleeve info), but it's great! The That's interesting, I wonder why they used that name, since it's the exact same as the terrific Peter Murphy/Daniel Ash/Mick Karn project from 1984. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:24:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fab Eno solo stuff > > << yours truly, Heather D.(the other heather ;-) >> > > Omigod, there's two of them??????????? > > Arnie What, you want more of us? Heatherita > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:27:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: [AVALON] An all-Casanova posting This posting is in honor of Casanova, which I have been listening to a lot lately and have come to feel that it is one of the best Roxy Music songs. It's great! - funky, mysterious, (could it be autobiographical?), rythmic, everything you could ever want in a Ferry song. I love this song!!!! Wow! Heather Marie Propes asbuch@midway.uchicago.edu "Casanova, is that your name?" http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:45:37 -0700 From: alegna Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mr. Pleasant's question I'm in Portland, OR and we have a local station that plays Roxy or Bryan more than once a day! I love it. They play a variety too, not just "Avalon" or "Slave to Love". It's nice, makes me wonder if the radio station knows when a new release is coming. Is it me or do stations tend to play a lot of a group's older stuff (to remind us?) right before a new release?? - -alegna > In this far away corner of the world they still play RM > frequently on the air. At least on the stations I'm listening to. > "Avalon" of course but also "Slave To Love" and sometimes "Oh Yeah" and " Smoke > Gets In Your Eyes". I believe it was the release of the album "More Than This" a > few years ago that put new interest in RM's and BF's music here. > > Per Stade ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:35:05 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mr. Pleasant's question Per Stade wrote In my opinion "More Than This" is an excellent best of album. With 9 tracks from the 70's and 9 from the 80's but only 2 from the 90's , it reflects the fact that BF has been rather improductive in the last decade, sorry to say. Per Stade I too wish there was more material, but jeeze cut the guy some slack. Look how many albums he released between 1972-1974 while touring the world. Some thought he was done in the late 70's and most didn't think Roxy would reunite again. In 1983 he could have called it quits and still left his mark in pop music. But there was more. Check out what The Stones, Bowie, Dylan, Sting, Zeppelin, McCartny, name just about any Top 100 whoever were doing around age 40. None of them were recording and performing some of the best material of their careers. He still managed to release two albums and tour the States in the 90's. That ain't bad. And the 90's aren't over yet. Seems like 2000 is a good year for Roxy. They are such the 21st century cats. Jim S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:03:59 -0500 From: Will Frechette Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Victor Hastings wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bahi Para > To: avalon@smoe.org > Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 5:23 PM > Subject: [AVALON] Re: > > >Michael Hillman wrote: > > > >>So has anyone else any other input on the subject of Brian Eno's solo > work? > > > >Get it all. > > eno's ambient music records are very good, too, but you should sample one > before you buy them all. i like 'music for airports' best. this stuff is > completely passive; no melody, no rhythm, no lyrics. it's the only music > i've ever been able to study to. > > that's about the scope of my collection. i'll let others bring you up to > date on the last decade or so. I have Eno and David Byrne's My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts and would have to say it is pretty good, at least worth giving a listen, although not recent. I am listening to Eno's Thursday Afternoon at the moment and I'm noticing a definate similarity to another Eno disc I have, The Pearl, Eno's collaboration with Harold Budd. They both fit Victor's description so exactly that those Ambient albums must be the same as these two. Victor said they're the only albums he could study to and I say they're the only albums I could sleep to. don't you hate laying in bed tapping your foot while you are trying to go to sleep. No toe tappers here. Pretty good though. Will ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:21:20 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] An all-Casanova posting Heather Marie Propes This posting is in honor of Casanova, which I have been listening to a lot lately and have come to feel that it is one of the best Roxy Music songs. It's great! - funky, mysterious, (could it be autobiographical?), rythmic, everything you could ever want in a Ferry song. I love this song!!!! Wow! Heather Marie Propes "Casanova, is that your name?" "Or do you live there?". You are really tickling me Heather. I am stuck on living the "Country Life" lately. Yes mysterious. This groove is so heavy, crunchy, yes . The organ, the guitar, the clavinette, and some of the nastiest bass you'll ever hear by infrequently mentioned Johnny Gustafson (who I feel with Paul Thompson was the totally Roxy rhythm section). Ferry's silky diction on top of it all. It is...Wow! The entire album is just fab.I 1st heard the remake on "Let's Stick Together" and loved it (still do) but when I heard the original I was knocked out. Jim Spellman "I know my place is here with you tonight......but not together" Jim Spellman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:16:10 -0500 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Edie Jobson >Please describe the recording process for Roxy's "Out of the Blue". >Specifically, whose decision was it to phase shift the violin solo? If not >your decision, how did you feel about the effect? What was the inspiration for >the solo and was it difficult to bring such intensity to your work? How many >variations/takes were required until a satisfactory solo was recorded? > >Thanks. > >Arnie Schulberg Eddie: If I recall, (we're talking about 24 years ago!) the solo was done in a couple of takes and was played, and aided, by the sound being phase-shifted as I was playing. The idea for the phasing, I think, came from Chris Thomas who was producing the album. Being a fan of electronic sounds, I was quite happy with the choice. EJ Thanks so much Arnie for asking that question. I have ben intrigued/enthralled sine I first heard it. It was/is one of the most exciting solos I have ever heard.I loved the sound and within the context of the song, the phasing takes the whole song out into the blue skies. The effect on me is like flying over the earth without wings without sound. I do want to know if that solo was ever transcribed. I have tried to duplicate it on guitar, but still don't have it down yet. If you get on that forum again, will you ask him if he has any of his work (specifically Out of the Blue) has been transcribed/published and where can it be purchased. Oh yeah, aslo ask him about a Roxy reunion-has he spoken to Bryan lately, etc. thanks Jas (Chicago Bulls rule the world!!!!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:33:03 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mr. Pleasant's question - -----Original Message----- From: alegna To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mr. Pleasant's question >I'm in Portland, OR and we have a local station that plays Roxy or Bryan more than >once a day! I love it. They play a variety too, not just "Avalon" or "Slave to Love". >It's nice, makes me wonder if the radio station knows when a new release is coming. >Is it me or do stations tend to play a lot of a group's older stuff (to remind us?) >right before a new release?? > >-alegna i don't think a firm release date has been announced at all for ferry's new album. so i doubt they're playing old material to hype the new. count your blessings. here in new orleans we have a choice between adult oriented pap -- i mean pop -- alternative top 40 and hits from the 70s (which _never_ includes rm/bf -- think more along the lines of kansas and rod stewart). ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #142 **************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org