From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #141 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, June 10 1998 Volume 03 : Number 141 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Answers Questions [ASchulberg@aol.com] [AVALON] Turps does Ferry [Jeffrey Hogan ] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #137 ["Decophile" ] Re: [AVALON] Manzanera solo stuff [Don Becker ] Re: [AVALON] Turps does Ferry [ASchulberg@aol.com] [AVALON] Re: [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] Re: ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] Turps does Ferry [Jeffrey Hogan ] Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Answers Questions [jspellma@techadvisers.com] [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" [jspellma@techadvisers.com] Re: [AVALON] Manzanera solo stuff [Frank and Liz Smith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:07:58 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Answers Questions From In The Dead of Night, the U.K. mailing list: Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 01:09:01 -0700 From: Eddie Jobson Subject: WHAT'S THE SCORE, WHAT'S THE DEAL? -- First installment [Here's the first installment of "What's the score, what's the deal?", where ITDON gets to interview Eddie himself! The questions chosen this installment were from Marshall in Chicago, Lennart in Sweden, and Arnie in... is it Germany Arnie? Sorry, I forget! Remember to send in your questions for the next installment... -- RC] >question: > >The Yamaha CS-80 was such an important part of your sound during the UK days >and a few years afterward. Is there any particular keyboard you are using >right now that fills its role? To my ears everything sounds thin and weak in >comparison. > >Thanks! > >Marshall >(Chicago) Eddie: I agree, fundamentally, with your assertion, however the CS80 sounds pretty old at this point. The Synclavier 9600 system drives my studio now and the sounds I use combine digital samples with midi-controlled synths by Roland, Yamaha and E-mu. >a question for Eddie; > >What can progressive music of today sound like? >I mean, the direction of the "progmusic" was made some twenty years ago, >are there any new aspects to prog-rock of today or should we hungry musical >souls search elsewhwere? > >/Lennart Eddie: This is a good question which, I hope, the 'Legacy' album will answer. At this point in time, a lot of so-called Prog-Rock music still sounds rather 'white and uptight'. With 'Legacy' I am attempting to draw from the rich and soulful history of Eastern European music, blending it with some of the better elements of 70's Prog-Rock, and presenting it in a fresh, edgy package. It seems to me that within this genre, musical intellect is still important, but no longer at the expense of passion. For the form to grow, it must develop more soul and sincere emotion. One of the problems in trying to modernize the form, is in redefining the role of keyboards. Unfortunately, today's cutting-edge synthesizer sounds are tomorrow's time-and-date stamp. In a musical form often driven by keyboards, taste and discretion are essential; new cutting-edge sounds are expected and 'classic' sounds need to be used carefully. As a keyboard player, unless you're playing Hammond in a blues band, you must live with the peril that introducing the modernizing element now, is also to introduce the same element which will date the project in years to come. Just listen to the first UK album ... the CS80 sounds which helped make it so fresh then, are the most dated elements now. Keyboardists are forever linked to technology, and technology is forever changing. However, if this form is to thrive, it must embrace and create an amalgam of new and old approaches - world rhythms, electronica production ideas, deep musicality, complete non-musicality, whatever. Where Debussy failed in the 1930s, and the Beatles partly succeeded in the 1960s, the progressive form has been the best musical environment to blend the disparate musical cultures. If it has any function now - it should be to continue redefining what rock music can be, albeit in the face of opposition from those who think purity exists only in simplicity and to whom rock music is only a voice of anarchy. >Please describe the recording process for Roxy's "Out of the Blue". >Specifically, whose decision was it to phase shift the violin solo? If not >your decision, how did you feel about the effect? What was the inspiration for >the solo and was it difficult to bring such intensity to your work? How many >variations/takes were required until a satisfactory solo was recorded? > >Thanks. > >Arnie Schulberg Eddie: If I recall, (we're talking about 24 years ago!) the solo was done in a couple of takes and was played, and aided, by the sound being phase-shifted as I was playing. The idea for the phasing, I think, came from Chris Thomas who was producing the album. Being a fan of electronic sounds, I was quite happy with the choice. EJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 98 20:44:27 +1000 From: Jeffrey Hogan Subject: [AVALON] Turps does Ferry You may recall that the name Ian Turpie came up a few weeks ago in the loathsome discussion of Slim Dusty and Rolf Harris. Well, last saturday night on "The Channel Nine Show with Roy and HG", Turps gave a musical tour de force at the end of the show when he performed "Let's Stick Together" accompanied by the Richard Carleton Experience (formerly Australia's Brand New Beatles) and The Current Affairs (formerly the Nissan Cedrics), with Jane Scali doing the Jerri Hall catcalls and Jack Thompson (yes, the actor) doing Ferry's harmonica piece. Absolutely amazing. Did any antipodean subscribers see this, and if so, what did they think? Jeff Hogan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:32:06 -0000 From: "Decophile" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #137 - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sturdy To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 4:53 PM Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #137 >On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Martin Futoma wrote: > >> Being relatively new to the list, and not expecting such a tape being >> made available, I just wanted to thank all involved, especially Gene, >> for making this happen. > >Agreed. Gene, you're a star. > >Bye, Not really. I`ve just got way too much time on my hands and I`m using all of you to relieve my bordom. Actually, I`ve had some of these bootlegs for over 20 years and they`re really starting to sound their age. This new technology allows me to hear them as they sounded new, especially the '76 Stockholm boot. This is one of my all time favorite live shows and I`m happy to share this restored version with others who also appreciate it. Gene "This will prove a brave kingdom to me, Where I shall have my music for nothing." Shakespeare, "The Tempest" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:06:57 -0400 From: Jeff Kay Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manzanera solo stuff Actually I have enjoyed all the Manzanera and McKay projects, except for the Rock Follies album (too popish). Manzanera was also in a band called "Quiet Sun" which is a good album (I haven't seen it on cd). I have another album which may interest, it has McKay & Manzanera on it with some Japenese gentleman doing his best Bryan Ferry imitation, quite funny actually, but still kind of neat to hear. The name escapes me at the moment I'll check my albums when I get home, unless someone else knows of whom I speak. I still think Japan, Quiet Life is the best Roxy imitation I have ever heard. Jeff ps where's the new album I've worn out all the others! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:28:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Becker Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manzanera solo stuff On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jeff Kay wrote: > Actually I have enjoyed all the Manzanera and McKay projects, except for the > Rock Follies album (too popish). Manzanera was also in a band called "Quiet > Sun" which is a good album (I haven't seen it on cd). It's available through Voiceprint Records. cdnow.com should have it. - --Don - -- Don Becker becker@panther.adelphi.edu Unix System Administrator, Adelphi University http://www.adelphi.edu/don "Deep down inside we're all one and the same" --Marillion, "The Last Straw" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:47:48 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Much more than this? jas2347@xsite.net wrote: > My personal favorite is their cover of 'Young Americans'. Check it out, > if you haven't heard it. > > David > > Whom, what, when and where?? > > Jas Their version of Purple Haze is indeed impressive, I haven't heard Young Am. but I will have to check it out. ...and what ever happened to Jeff Hughes...what the hell buddy, where are you, are you here or what. You King Crimson dissin' motherjumper. Will How about the Wallflowers new cover of Heroes? No emotion at all. Why bother? It is very bad. Worse than 10,000 Maniacs "More Than This" JS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:50:06 -0400 (EDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dav=ECd?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manzanera solo stuff Here's what CDNow lists as available: Phil Manzanera '75 Diamond Head CD $11.49 '86 Guitarissimo TAPE $ 9.99 '78 K-Scope CD $13.99 '77 Listen Now CD $11.49 '95 Manzanera Collection CD $18.49 Million Reasons Why CD $14.49 Live At Manchester University CD $25.49 Live At The Karl Marx CD $22.49 Manzanera//Mackay CD $18.49 801 '76 801 Live CD $11.49 Cheers, David DavdMock@America.Net CPL593H! -Bryan Ferry, 1972 _______________________________ |Have a look at my web site... | |Shakatak | |Swing Out Sister | |80's UK pop | | (Peter Godwin, Fashion, | | Modern Romance, Belouis Some,| | Strange Advance,Mari Wilson) | |Atlanta Bands | | (Rose Whipperr & Marc Stowe, | | The Brains, Face Of Concern, | | Design, Liking The Idea) | |Lounge Music | |Hamlet & | |Raymond Chandler pages | |An Atlanta Argosy | |Lotsa cool stuff! | - ------------------------------- http://www.america.net/~davdmock/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:09:04 EDT From: THREEN9@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manzanera solo stuff >I have another album which may interest, it has McKay & Manzanera on it with >some Japenese gentleman doing his best Bryan Ferry imitation, quite funny >actually, but still kind of neat to hear. The name escapes me at the moment I>'ll check my albums when I get home, unless someone else knows of whom I >speak. I still think Japan, Quiet Life is the best Roxy imitation I have >ever heard. >Jeff I believe the album your referring to is Neuromantic by Yukihiro Takahashi who at one time was in YMO with Riuichi Sakamoto. M&M play on 2 or 3 cuts. It was available as an import thru CDNOW. Worth a listen for M&M fans. Bobby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:33:26 -0500 From: Will Frechette Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Answers Questions ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > >Please describe the recording process for Roxy's "Out of the Blue". > >Specifically, whose decision was it to phase shift the violin solo? If not > >your decision, how did you feel about the effect? What was the inspiration > for > >the solo and was it difficult to bring such intensity to your work? How many > >variations/takes were required until a satisfactory solo was recorded? > > > >Thanks. > > > >Arnie Schulberg > > Eddie: If I recall, (we're talking about 24 years ago!) the solo was > done in a couple of takes and was played, and aided, by the sound > being phase-shifted as I was playing. The idea for the phasing, I > think, came from Chris Thomas who was producing the album. Being a > fan of electronic sounds, I was quite happy with the choice. > > EJ Arnie, I can't believe you got to ask EJ a question and didn't ask him if he remembered being harassed by me. Just kidding. pretty cool I saw him do that solo, it was unbelievable. That clear violin, we were all going what the f*** is that. Will ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:26:37 +0100 From: Roberto =?iso-8859-1?Q?Obreg=F3n?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manzanera solo stuff At 01:09 PM 9/06/98 EDT, you wrote: >>I have another album which may interest. There is an album here in Mexico where Phil Manzanera plays and makes some arrangements. Sounds great because is a rare mix of bolero songs with Manzanera sounds. He plays with Tania Libertad (the singer). Roberto O. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:43:40 +0300 From: "Michael Hillman" Subject: [none] Now how about discussing some of Monsieur Eno's solo "music"?! I bought an album he release with Jah Wobler or something like that a couple of years ago...rather strange sort of music, very abstract indeed There must be something deep or meaningful in it as we all know BE does some work for Bowie and also helped BF on Mamouna, and he is as well a university lecturer at London Uni. I was tempted to buy that album "Music for Airports" or others apparently written for specific scenarios but was a bit unsure after the aforementioned and they're quite expensive Mind you Bryan Ferry himself said that Eno produces albums for a very low cost indeed and although they don't sell very many copies he makes almost pure profit...BF was contrasting this with the very large sums of money he spends on his own albums such as Mamouna The other interesting work of Eno I picked up was his remix of Mamouna (the track itself) and Your Painted Smile that he did for BF's singles...they were quite interesting So has anyone else any other input on the subject of Brian Eno's solo work? Whilst on the subject of Eno I have always wondered whether the song BF & BE wrote together "Wild Cat Days" was any sort of allusion to their breaking up in 1972 when they were in their wild days and having got back together 25 yrs later as more grown up individuals were looking back at that episode with some sort of humourous reminiscence? I dunno. What does anyone else think? Eg, the works "dog eat dog" may have alluded to the very competitive relationship within the band which led to their breakup? ...and "out of touch with all that kitchen jive" something to do with being out of touch with the 70's Roxy image and style? Maybe we should as well start discussing some lyrics...that would be a very interesting discussion...as we know they are often very "obscure" and BF has himself said he likes to be like that for himself as well as to allow people to interpret the lyrics / videos in different ways... Michael ************************************ Michael Hillman 65B Tchernikovsky Street Jerusalem 92587 Israel Tel: 00 972 2 561 2359 Fax: 00 972 2 563 8374 Email: michaelh@actcom.co.il ************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:55:24 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Turps does Ferry In a message dated 98-06-09 06:46:11 EDT, you write: << Did any antipodean subscribers see this, and if so, what did they think? Jeff Hogan >> Are you related to the world's most famous Aussie, Paul Hogan? Arnie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:24:32 +0200 From: Bahi Para Subject: [AVALON] Re: Michael Hillman wrote: >The other interesting work of Eno I picked up was his remix of Mamouna (the >track itself) and Your Painted Smile that he did for BF's singles... Are these boots? Where'd you find them? Virgin released one Eno mix of "The 39 Steps",on the Mamouna single CD and there are a few more Eno remixes of the same track available unofficially, though I haven't heard them yet. >I have always wondered whether the song BF & BE wrote together "Wild Cat >Days" was any sort of allusion to their breaking up in 1972 Supporting your idea is the catwalk cover of For Your Pleasure, complete with model *and* cat. Eno definitely wasn't a fan of the idea and made that clear. Always been curious about "kitchen jive" - the tour booklet says "kitsch". >So has anyone else any other input on the subject of Brian Eno's solo work? Get it all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:09:19 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: - -----Original Message----- From: Bahi Para To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 5:23 PM Subject: [AVALON] Re: >Michael Hillman wrote: > >>So has anyone else any other input on the subject of Brian Eno's solo work? > >Get it all. wow, that's quite a directive! i will add my $0.02 worth but with the disclaimer that a wife, two kids and a mortgage have significantly curbed my recent purchases. i am unfamiliar with anything eno released after 1984 so will not offer second hand opinions. but there's a lot of good stuff prior to that. his rock idiom albums 'taking tiger mountain by strategy,' 'another green world,' 'here come the warm jets,' etc., are favorites of mine. quirky and multilayered. 801 Live, as i mentioned a few days ago in another thread, is highly recommended. eno, manzanera & company perform 'baby's on fire,' 'you really got me,' 'tomorrow never knows, 'miss shapiro,' etc. one of the best live albums ever. eno's ambient music records are very good, too, but you should sample one before you buy them all. i like 'music for airports' best. this stuff is completely passive; no melody, no rhythm, no lyrics. it's the only music i've ever been able to study to. that's about the scope of my collection. i'll let others bring you up to date on the last decade or so. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 10:23:40 +1000 From: Jeffrey Hogan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Turps does Ferry >Are you related to the world's most famous Aussie, Paul Hogan? >Arnie Yeah, that's right mate. Paul's my father. We live down here in Walkabout Creek. Hulk's my uncle and so is Colonel Hogan. By the way, is dad really the world's most famous Aussie? I thought it would be Rolf Harris. Jeff "Crocodile" Hogan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 17:50:30 PDT From: "David Nickel" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Much more than this? >jas2347@xsite.net wrote: >> My personal favorite is their cover of 'Young Americans'. Check it out, >> if you haven't heard it. >> >> David >> >> Whom, what, when and where?? >> >> Jas > Their version of Purple Haze is indeed impressive, I haven't heard >Young Am. but I will have to check it out. > ...and what ever happened to Jeff Hughes...what the hell buddy, where >are you, are you here or what. You King Crimson dissin' motherjumper. > Will >How about the Wallflowers new cover of Heroes? No emotion at all. Why >bother? It is very bad. Worse than 10,000 Maniacs "More Than This" > >JS > Hey, did Eno really remix 'Mamouna' and 'This Painted Smile'? Anyone know what releases these appeared on? After Mamouna came out, I read a interview where Bryan Ferry said that Garbage was one of few current groups that impressed him. Shortly after that, I heard that Garbage intended to record a Roxyish B-side. The single out now has a b-side called '13', which sounds very much like Avalon-era Roxy. Anyone else heard it? ...and lastly here's the info on the Cure's version of 'Young Americans': the album was a compilation called ' XFM' and had some rarity tracks by the boo radleys, the cure, u2, garbage, oasis, and a bunch of others. the catalogue number is: XFM CD2 barcode: 5 024545 011920 released by: XFM ltd. David ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:44:28 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eddie Jobson Answers Questions ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > >Please describe the recording process for Roxy's "Out of the Blue". > >Specifically, whose decision was it to phase shift the violin solo? If not > >your decision, how did you feel about the effect? What was the inspiration > for the solo and was it difficult to bring such intensity to your work? How many > >variations/takes were required until a satisfactory solo was recorded? > > > >Thanks. > > > >Arnie Schulberg > > Eddie: If I recall, (we're talking about 24 years ago!) the solo was > done in a couple of takes and was played, and aided, by the sound > being phase-shifted as I was playing. The idea for the phasing, I > think, came from Chris Thomas who was producing the album. Being a > fan of electronic sounds, I was quite happy with the choice. > > EJ Thanks Arnie, this is great. Really enjoyed it. One of my favorite Roxy tunes. I'm jealous of you guys who got to see them in the early 70's. My 1st encounter was in 1978, thirteen years old. Love is the Drug had been out a few years, their only American AM radio hit. I thought Siren was their 1st album (da). One day in the Jordan Marsh record department I saw some guy thumbing through Roxy Music, and then I caught a glance of "Country Life". What was that?...I waited until he was gone, looked around.......playing it cool, waltzed over to the R's....and there it was. There they were. Wow! This is what I wanted to see. I always looked for them but never bought any of the albums until 10 years later. Probably my favorite Roxy album, "Country Life" is when EJ really jelled with the band. Not as tame as "Siren", and he was more involved than on "Stranded". All of the players were on top of their game as far as I can hear. Great production. Great $@#&*. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:14:44 -0400 From: jspellma@techadvisers.com Subject: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" What happened to the original? This song rocks. I was shocked when I found the "Dance" version on the "Manifesto" CD. With the more current version on so many greatest hits collections, how did it sneak it's way onto the album? It's like changing history. Was this always the case? I only have it on vinyl. Is this on CD anywhere? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:12:08 -0700 From: Frank and Liz Smith Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manzanera solo stuff Try Diamond Head or Southern Cross. Diamond Head is an old collaboration with Eno and company and Southern Cross is recent and more pop. Unfortunately, none of his solo stuff packs any real wallop. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:08:09 +0900 From: ochiai-san Subject: Re: [AVALON] Manzanera solo stuff > >I have another album which may interest, it has McKay & Manzanera on it with > >some Japenese gentleman doing his best Bryan Ferry imitation, quite funny > >actually, but still kind of neat to hear. The name escapes me at the moment > I>'ll check my albums when I get home, unless someone else knows of whom I > >speak. I still think Japan, Quiet Life is the best Roxy imitation I have > >ever heard. > > >Jeff > > I believe the album your referring to is Neuromantic by Yukihiro Takahashi who > at one time was in YMO > with Riuichi Sakamoto. M&M play on 2 or 3 cuts. It was available as an > import thru CDNOW. > Worth a listen for M&M fans. > > Bobby Neuromantic was reliased on June 5, 1981 in Japan. It is his third solo album. Yukihiro's early 1980's works are Bryan stile vocal they say. Ryuichi Sakamoto and Kazumi Watanabe was coverd Tokyo Joe released single in 1979 or 1980. Compulation album Tokyo Joe was released on 1982. Yukihiro is on drums and vocal. Also Yukihiro was caverd This Island Earth for Tommorow's Just another day on 1983. Yukihiro was also member of Sadistic Mika Band from 1972 to 1975. They broke up just after UK tour that supports to Roxy music in october 1975. Reason why is vocalist of the band Mika divorced with band reder kazuhiko Kato then she went to Chris Thomas who Produced RM and SMB. Mika and Chris lived together eight or nine years maybe. Bryan has written about Mika on Tokyo Joe. Yukihiro Takahashi Official Home page http://www.yukihiro.co.jp/yukihiro/html/getstart.htm Discography of Sadistic Mika Band http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/5963/jpf.htm#SMB Does anyone seen SMB on 1975 UK Tour? masa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: shin Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 jspellma@techadvisers.com wrote: > What happened to the original? This song rocks. I was shocked when I found > the "Dance" version on the "Manifesto" CD. > With the more current version on so many greatest hits collections, how did > it sneak it's way onto the album? > It's like changing history. Was this always the case? I only have it on > vinyl. Is this on CD anywhere? Thanks. > Available on the Roxy box set. I never like the "dance" version but when I heard the original version, I actually begin to like the song. Also, the boxset include a extended mix of the dance version. > > > > > ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #141 **************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org