From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #39 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, February 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 039 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" ["Gerard York"] Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" [Don Becker ] Re: [AVALON] Talk Talk/Mark Hollis [steve ] Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" ["Graham Howard" ] Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" [Pasi Toivo ] Re: [AVALON] Girl of my Best Briend [Pasi Toivo ] Re: [AVALON] Girl of my Best Briend [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry news (?) [Bahi Para ] Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" ["Michael Hillman" ] Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" ["Victor Hastings" ] [AVALON] TOIA price [David Fairley ] [AVALON] The Thrill of It All [Miles ] [AVALON] Falco death [Will ] Re: [AVALON] Girl of my Best Briend [Will ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 08:19:13 -0500 From: "Gerard York" Subject: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" I'm getting all my old Roxy and Ferry on CD. I just bought a CD of "Manifesto" and there is a different, sparser version of "Angel Eyes" than the original "wall of sound" version that appeared on the original 1979 release. Sorry if I'm clueless, but where can I obtain the original "Angel Eyes" on CD? Gerry York - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:59:27 -0500 (EST) From: Don Becker Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Gerard York wrote: > I'm getting all my old Roxy and Ferry on CD. I just bought a CD of > "Manifesto" and there is a different, sparser version of "Angel Eyes" > than the original "wall of sound" version that appeared on the > original 1979 release. Sorry if I'm clueless, but where can I obtain > the original "Angel Eyes" on CD? On the Roxy boxed set, "The Thrill Of It All". The original version of "Angel Eyes" is on there. What you have (and what I, and everyone else who bought "Manifesto" on CD has) is the single version. - --Don - -- Don Becker becker@panther.adelphi.edu Unix System Administrator, Adelphi University http://www.adelphi.edu/~becker "Deep down inside we're all one and the same" --Marillion, "The Last Straw" - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:16:17 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: [AVALON] Talk Talk/Mark Hollis At 12:03 AM 2/10/98 -0800, you wrote: >At 09:37 PM 2/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Similiar to BF/RM- it is almost impossible to find any Talk Talk fans in the >>United States! Please post either to the list or me personally if you are >>into Talk Talk/Mark Hollis > >I too thought that "Spirit Of Eden" and "Laughing Stock" were brilliant. I >also have the remix cd "History Revisited", which is fun at times, if not >exactly of the same caliber as the later recordings. I have been hearing >excellent things about the new solo cd and you seem to be in agreement. Any >word on a stateside release? Or is it going to stay a pricey, import only item? > >Bye; >Erik Simpson >eriks@on-ramp.ior.com >http://www.ior.com/~eriks > >Erick, Thanx for the post! I can't believe I actually found a fan! In answer to your question, I am hearing that the Mark Hollis cd will never be availlable in the states because it is not deemed to be commercially viable by polydor! I live in Boston and was able to order the cd through Newberry Comics for the low low price of $27.99. Ouch. Money well spent though. As I said before, a brilliant effort, especially if you enjoyed "Laughingstock" This record is a bit more quiet and probably easier to listen to. You should check it out if you can find it! Take care, Steve > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:18:51 +0500 From: "Graham Howard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 08:19:13 -0500 > From: "Gerard York" > To: > Subject: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > > I'm getting all my old Roxy and Ferry on CD. I just bought a CD of > "Manifesto" and there is a different, sparser version of "Angel Eyes" > than the original "wall of sound" version that appeared on the > original 1979 release. Sorry if I'm clueless, but where can I obtain > the original "Angel Eyes" on CD? > > Gerry York > > It sounds like you have got the "disco" version. I doubt if the original is available on any new prints. Graham. > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:25:07 +0200 From: Pasi Toivo Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" At 08:19 10.2.1998 -0500, you wrote: > > I'm getting all my old Roxy and Ferry on CD. I just bought a CD of > "Manifesto" and there is a different, sparser version of "Angel Eyes" > than the original "wall of sound" version that appeared on the > original 1979 release. Sorry if I'm clueless, but where can I obtain > the original "Angel Eyes" on CD? > > Gerry York > All CD copies are made with that disco version. Slow version exist only on early Manifesto albums and later all Manifesto albums (vinyl) came with disco version. But 'Thrill of it all' box is too expensive!!!!!!! If you find an album where is that slow version save it! Pasi - ---- ____________________________________ * Heart Still Beating * * Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music web site * * http://www.dlc.fi/~hope * *____________________________________ * - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:26:23 +0200 From: Pasi Toivo Subject: Re: [AVALON] Girl of my Best Briend > >Thanks for the info. The CDNow web site lists "Girl of my Best Friend" at a >hefty $32.99 US, which would be far too expensive for a single but could be >a collection of singles perhaps. Pasi's web site refers to a series of >Taxi-era singles backed with some live & archive material so perhaps "Girl >of my Best Friend" is the name under which the CD singles were compiled and >sold. > >I may just have to order the thing out of curiosity! > >Victor > When I bought Archive collection there were only two singles already. That CD was made for 'Archive and live collection' but it came later and its called 'Girl of my best friend'. On the cover reads 'Part Three - Completes the Archive & Live collection. The cover was almost same as ordinary 'Girl of my best friend'. Pasi - ---- ____________________________________ * Heart Still Beating * * Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music web site * * http://www.dlc.fi/~hope * *____________________________________ * - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:42:03 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] Girl of my Best Briend >The CDNow web site lists "Girl of my Best Friend" at a >hefty $32.99 US, which would be far too expensive for a single but could be >a collection of singles perhaps. Pasi's web site refers to a series of >Taxi-era singles backed with some live & archive material so perhaps "Girl >of my Best Friend" is the name under which the CD singles were compiled and >sold. At work today, a HotBots search (http://www.hotbots.com) found a Japanese release that exactly fits your description and seems like a combination of both the UK versions of the single. I tried to find it again just now but some felchers flogging domain name registration have either hijacked the flaky Belgian part of the DNS system or are rerouting all IP packets intended for HotBots towards their site. Total dodginess. When HotBots reappears, look out for Japanese Ferry & Roxy sites. This one listed several, infuriatingly good Japanese-only releases; their version of the Mamouna single looks like a gem. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:44:06 +0100 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry news (?) >And I could be way wrong, but I think Mamouna was recorded in a >lot larger studio than a 24 track. The recording is way to dense for that >small a studio. You're right, it was on a 56 track. After filling 48, he ran out of room and bolted another 16 on. Taxi (recorded later than most of Mamouna) was on 24 track, though. >got the impression from what Ferry has said about the making of "Mamouna" >that he wasn't interested in taking that long to make an album again. I >believe him. It's good to be optimistic, Erik, but isn't that a little extreme? :-/ After Boys & Girls ("I spent a lot of time on that album - in retrospect, too long"), Bete Noire ("I'd like to record something quickly with a small group") and Mamouna, the pattern's way too strong...1999 at the earliest, I reckon. I notice Q magazine doesn't bother mentioning his name in 1998's expected list of releases. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:28:22 +0200 From: "Michael Hillman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" Yes I was just wondering whether that reply about Thrill of it All might not be entirely satisfactory coz it is rather expensive actually...mind y= ou if a collector counts up all the BF/Roxy collections, greatest hits, ultimate collections, best of's, live recordings one has bought all containing the same tracks you have already from the albums and from previous collections in different orders it does seem a bit of a substantial expense! I think in fact there are more such albums than ther= e are Roxy albums of original material...funny that...anywayz the notes one gets with the TOIA mentions that new disco version of Angel Eyes is the version used on all subsequent pressings of that track so it may be available thru a rare record co on a single alone...alternatively Gerry y= ou could get in touch with the Roxy Hardship Fund at my email address where arrangements can be made, under extenuating circumstances, to transfer a remarkably similar track onto a blank tape... - ---------- | From: Pasi Toivo | To: avalon@smoe.org | Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" | Date: 10 =F4=E1=F8=E5=E0=F8 1998 21.25 |=20 | At 08:19 10.2.1998 -0500, you wrote: | > | > I'm getting all my old Roxy and Ferry on CD. I just bought a CD o= f=20 | > "Manifesto" and there is a different, sparser version of "Angel Eyes"=20 | > than the original "wall of sound" version that appeared on the=20 | > original 1979 release. Sorry if I'm clueless, but where can I obtain=20 | > the original "Angel Eyes" on CD?=20 | > =20 | > Gerry York | > | All CD copies are made with that disco version. Slow version exist only on | early Manifesto albums and later all Manifesto albums (vinyl) came with | disco version. | But 'Thrill of it all' box is too expensive!!!!!!! | If you find an album where is that slow version save it! |=20 | Pasi | ----=20 | ____________________________________ | * Heart Still Beating * | * Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music web site * | * http://www.dlc.fi/~hope * | *____________________________________ * |=20 |=20 |=20 |=20 | -------------------- | To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: | unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:42:20 -0600 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hillman To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" >Yes I was just wondering whether that reply about Thrill of it All might >not be entirely satisfactory coz it is rather expensive actually...mind you >if a collector counts up all the BF/Roxy collections, greatest hits, >ultimate collections, best of's, live recordings one has bought all >containing the same tracks you have already from the albums and from >previous collections in different orders it does seem a bit of a >substantial expense! well, yes, but we do have to support our hero in the manner to which he has become accustomed, n'est-ce pas? TOIA is damned expensive. i bought it because (1) most of my roxy/ferry collection is on vinyl, and i was about to take a long trip in our minivan which has cd but no tape; (2) disc 4 is nothing but b-sides, some of which i had never heard; (3) the packaging is exquisite. i still think it's a bit of a hijack to have to buy TOIA just to get the b-sides, many of which had never been released on cd. to me it shows a bit of disloyalty to force a die hard collector to buy 3 discs of material he already has just to get the 4th disc of rare material. i could have come up with another dozen a-sides to fill out disc 4. then the b-sides could have been released as a single disc. frankly, unless you're dying to hear the b-sides (and imho the quality thereof is rather thin), you should probably stick to the original releases. my first significant exposure to rm was on the now deleted atlantic greatest hits disc and i used that as a road map for future purchases. >I think in fact there are more such albums than there >are Roxy albums of original material...funny that...anywayz the notes one >gets with the TOIA mentions that new disco version of Angel Eyes is the >version used on all subsequent pressings of that track so it may be >available thru a rare record co on a single alone... my copy of manifesto has the hard-rock version of angel eyes. the first time i heard the disco version was on an atco promotional 45 my brother found in a used record shop. i have since found a standard release of angel eyes (disco version) on 45, but i've never seen the original version on 45. >alternatively Gerry you >could get in touch with the Roxy Hardship Fund at my email address where >arrangements can be made, under extenuating circumstances, to transfer a >remarkably similar track onto a blank tape... yes, we'll all hum it simultaneously and somebody can tape that.... - ---------- | From: Pasi Toivo | To: avalon@smoe.org | Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Angel Eyes" | Date: 10 פברואר 1998 21.25 | | At 08:19 10.2.1998 -0500, you wrote: | > | > I'm getting all my old Roxy and Ferry on CD. I just bought a CD of | > "Manifesto" and there is a different, sparser version of "Angel Eyes" | > than the original "wall of sound" version that appeared on the | > original 1979 release. Sorry if I'm clueless, but where can I obtain | > the original "Angel Eyes" on CD? | > | > Gerry York | > | All CD copies are made with that disco version. Slow version exist only on | early Manifesto albums and later all Manifesto albums (vinyl) came with | disco version. | But 'Thrill of it all' box is too expensive!!!!!!! | If you find an album where is that slow version save it! | | Pasi | ---- | ____________________________________ | * Heart Still Beating * | * Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music web site * | * http://www.dlc.fi/~hope * | *____________________________________ * | | | | | -------------------- | To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: | unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:19:11 +1300 (NZDT) From: David Fairley Subject: [AVALON] TOIA price Don't want to make anybody jealous, but I managed to pick up TTOIA brand new for less than 40 NZ dollars - very cheap indeed... the moral of the story is you have to know how to bargain hunt. dave. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:49:21 -0600 From: Miles Subject: [AVALON] The Thrill of It All At 04:42 PM 2/10/98 -0600, Victor Hastings wrote: >TOIA is damned expensive. i bought it because (1) most of my roxy/ferry >collection is on vinyl, and i was about to take a long trip in our minivan >which has cd but no tape; (2) disc 4 is nothing but b-sides, some of which i >had never heard; (3) the packaging is exquisite. > >i still think it's a bit of a hijack to have to buy TOIA just to get the >b-sides, many of which had never been released on cd. to me it shows a bit >of disloyalty to force a die hard collector to buy 3 discs of material he >already has just to get the 4th disc of rare material. i could have come up >with another dozen a-sides to fill out disc 4. then the b-sides could have >been released as a single disc. The one thing that Victor doesn't mention is that THE THRILL OF IT ALL has been remastered to its very core, and the sound is absolutely breathtaking, easily beating the original European Roxy CDs (issued c. 1985-87) and the U.S. catalog CDs (issued c. 1990). Plus the overlap between the last few seconds of "Mother of Pearl" and the first few seconds of "Sunset" is done correctly, something the U.S. CD of STRANDED didn't manage to do. Of course, what I'd like to see now is for all the individual CDs to be reissued with similar remastering, not unlike what happened with the Led Zep catalog after the first two Zep boxed sets blew away the horrible catalog CDs that had preceded them... later, Miles ============================================================== JASON WILKINS (of Neilson Hubbard): Victor's was just starting to happen, then it burned down. BILL LLOYD: That's a pretty good metaphor for the Nashville rock scene. -- NASHVILLE SCENE, Jan. 15, 1998 Miles Goosens outdoorminer@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~outdoorminer/miles ============================================================== - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:31:50 -0600 From: Will Subject: [AVALON] Falco death Hey guys I thought seeing as a while ago(long while ago) we were talking about Falco, I'd have to mention that his tragic death in the Dominican Republic saddened me. He was cool and I put my 5 Falco discs in my changer and let 'em roll. cool stuff, and I found some remix versions that are really hot. Inspired me to put together a Falco's Greatest hits tape. I remember that the subject of our conversation abvout him centered around some bum (critic) panning him in some internet review of his work. I would like to take this time to reverently say to that guy "Bite me you freakin' loser" Long Live Falco Will - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:04:37 -0600 From: Will Subject: Re: [AVALON] Girl of my Best Briend Victor Hastings wrote: > > Thanks for the info. The CDNow web site lists "Girl of my Best Friend" at a > hefty $32.99 US, which would be far too expensive for a single but could be > a collection of singles perhaps. Pasi's web site refers to a series of > Taxi-era singles backed with some live & archive material so perhaps "Girl > of my Best Friend" is the name under which the CD singles were compiled and > sold. > > I may just have to order the thing out of curiosity! > > Victor I have that 3 cd set and as far as I know they would come as 3 separate packages and are called The Archive and Live Collection. It could be one disc and the fancy triple disc holder that takes all 3 discs, it's really quite cool, But the one disc that comes with it is probably just a cd single. Disc 3 in the set does begin with Girl...then Let's stick together, Boys and Girls and The Bogus Man. The Cover Looks exactly like the 5 version I Put a Spell on You cover. Will - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #39 *************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org