From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #17 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, January 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 017 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Bowie Bashing ["Skrecek Pavel - PE,,student,UID=17274" ] Re: [AVALON] RE: VELVET GOLDMINE, the Unambomber, #49 [Waltznblak ] [AVALON] Free as a Bird -- this is not off-topic [Todd Haney Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie Bashing waltzblank wrote : > i know the answer to that... because music is what drives the soul and if your > souls are not sympatico then you will always feel detatched, especially when > the music you are referring to has such a major impact on you emotionally. my > first husband and i had nothing in common musically and i was miserable until > i left him. (among other reasons of course) but i look back and music was the > biggest thing that drove us apart. it ultimately came down to the fact that we > had none of the same friends or interests at all and the music was at the root > of it. michele > BUT, It is not very clever to build the relationship on such a thing like the common favourite artist, no matter what EXCELLENT he/she is (and BF IS excellent ). Because you live your life, not the life of your Favourite. You can identify with him of course, you can dress like him, you can talk like him, you can attend places he does, you can breath the air he does, but these are the only things you can do. Still you are you. It is a very greatful thing that something like music of BF/RM exists (and music at all) but man should not lose his/her own personality. One friend of mine likes music of the American band Suicidal Tendencies very much. But he does not give a damn about if his girlfriend admires them or not. He rather appreciates that she does not. He used to say: "One suicidal - it is quite enough." That is maybe a bit funny but I hope it expresses what I wanted to say. Cheers. Pavel. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:27:39 MET-1DST From: "Skrecek Pavel - PE,,student,UID=17274" Subject: Re: [AVALON] L'amour, toujours l'amour... Coleen wrote: > > I have to vote for 2 songs-- > > one BF penned: Just Another High > and one he interpreted: These Foolish Things > > And an honorable mention to To Turn You On. > > Colleen > WOOOW !!!!! You read my thoughts !!!!! "Just Another High" is great for the fact it is "heart-healing": It starts with a typical pathetic BF voice but turns into "good end" - what better would you say than "I am just another crazy guy" ? So, number one ! ------------ "These Foolish Things" is lovely and romantic since it evokes the atmospere (at the beginning) of a romantic lovely cafee, which is the most romantic thing I know. Cheers. Pavel. Prague. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:37:37 MET-1DST From: "Skrecek Pavel - PE,,student,UID=17274" Subject: Re: [AVALON] DUMB FUCKING CONTEST NUMBER...49 > List the covers you would have Bryan Ferry record and the artists they are > associated with: > > "I Can't Escape From You" (Hank Williams) > "Strange Love" (Slim Harpo) > "Not Dark Yet" (Bob Dylan) > "Poor Little Fool" (Fontella Bass & Ike Turner) > "She's Gone" (Willie Nelson) > "Solitude" > "Some Other Spring" (BIllie Holiday) > "Just Your Fool" (Little Walter) > "In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning" (Frank Sinatra) > "I'll Be Around" (Howlin' Wolf) > "Beeswing" (Richard Thompson) > "Beneath Still Waters" (George Jones) > Nice idea... I suppose, Dylan is always the most "smashing" ... Pavel. Prague. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:49:23 MET-1DST From: "Skrecek Pavel - PE,,student,UID=17274" Subject: [AVALON] RE: VELVET GOLDMINE, the Unambomber, #49 > (snip!) > -----Original Message----- > From: Colleen Matan > To: avalon@smoe.org > Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] RE: VELVET GOLDMINE, the Unambomber, #49 > > >As for the reunion, I say bring on the T-shirts, the VH-1 special, the > >promotional tie-in with Starbucks, the double CD live reunion album, the > >Entertainment Weekly and Time interviews. Hell, let ABC use the tour as > >the theme of the sweeps month programming a la U2. They could call it > >'Manifesto' and tie it to their coverage of the Unabomber trial for all I > >care. Down with artistic integrity. Bring on the gross commercialism. > > > heck, what about a made-for-tv bio of ferry with k d lang playing the lead > role! > > actually when i think of all the near-misses that have defined ferry's (lack > of) commercial success on the left side of the atlantic, i'd be perfectly > happy to let the guy do anything he wanted to crack the market. if he wants > to open for hansen on their next tour i wouldn't mind. I would. Opening for anyone would be very heretical. BF & RM don't have the slightlest reason to do that. DOES ANYBODY FEEL THE NEED TO SEE THEM AT WEMBLEY OR LONG BEACH ARENA OR WHAT !!!??? They can for example (if reunioned of course) play at such beautiful places like the lovely "Roxy club" in Prague, near The Old Town Square. Unfortunately, the club got its name after that one in Amsterodam... Bye. Pavel. Prague. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:46:31 -0600 (CST) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: [AVALON] Re: Just another Pepsi > > BUT, It is not very clever to build the relationship on such a > thing like the common favourite artist, no matter what EXCELLENT > he/she is (and BF IS excellent ). Because you live your life, not > the life of your Favourite. You can identify with him of course, > you can dress like him, you can talk like him, you can attend places > he does, you can breath the air he does, but these are the only things > you can do. Still you are you. I couldn't agree more. And *you* (being whoever you are) have characteristics that can influence others just as your favorite musician is inflential for you. Imagine what might have happened if Bryan Ferry had tried to be JUST LIKE Bob Dylan. It would have been awful. > It is a very greatful thing that something like music of BF/RM > exists (and music at all) but man should not lose his/her own personality. Definitely. The role of art (in my humble opinion) is to provide us with aesthetic pleasure and to inspire us to make our own lives more creative (in a distinctive way). Life would be so boring if everyone just defered to the same "great" artist because that person intimidated them out of expressing their own individuality. > One friend of mine likes music of the American > band Suicidal Tendencies very much. But he does not give a damn > about if his girlfriend admires them or not. He rather appreciates > that she does not. He used to say: "One suicidal - it is quite > enough." I like that. I souunds like a great relationship (a little like my sister and her boyfriend), one is into hard-thrash-metal, the other into something different. Musical complements can balance each other out. Keep rocking Heather > > > > > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:43:04 -0500 (EST) From: JVapor7@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Jealous Guy Pavel wrote: "BUT, It is not very clever to build the relationship on such a thing like the common favourite artist, no matter what EXCELLENT he/she is (and BF IS excellent ). Because you live your life, not the life of your Favourite. You can identify with him of course, you can dress like him, you can talk like him, you can attend places he does, you can breath the air he does..." - --Perhaps Pavel is really Mark David Chapman? JImmy - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:34:21 EST From: Waltznblak Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie Bashing not to invalidate what you said pavel, because it was true, but i was referring to music as a whole, not just roxy music. i'm certainly not that anal-retentive! otherwise i would be alone for all eternity. M. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:26:58 EST From: Waltznblak Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: VELVET GOLDMINE, the Unambomber, #49 Which probably got it's name from the legendary "ROXY" in Hollywood, California.... - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:50:47 -0500 From: John Fohrman Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Genius of David Bowie Jimmy wrote: >John Forhrman wrote the following (please don't blame me): I didn't write it, Bowie did! >Whoops! All I meant to say was, speaking of Bowie covering "If there was >something", has it been mentioned recently (whatever that is) that Bowie >was performing the song for awhile, but he couldn't figure out all the >lyrics. So put in some of his own. He eventually wrote BF for them, who >sent the right ones along. However, Bowie kept one of his own. After the >line "I would do anything for you" BF's lyric was "I would climb mountains" >but Bowie changed it to "I would come all day." Normally blasphemous to >"improve" upon Bryan, but I think this one was a winner. >Also, I figured out the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything >- ---What's that, John--I Will Come All Day? >Jimmy Obviously, not a Douglas Adams fan ;-) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:16:09 -0600 From: Will Subject: Re: [AVALON] L'amour, toujours l'amour... Skrecek Pavel - PE,,student,UID=17274 wrote: > > Coleen wrote: > > > > I have to vote for 2 songs-- > > > > one BF penned: Just Another High > > and one he interpreted: These Foolish Things > > > > And an honorable mention to To Turn You On. > > > > Colleen > > > WOOOW !!!!! > You read my thoughts !!!!! > "Just Another High" is great for the fact it is "heart-healing": > It starts with a typical pathetic BF voice but turns into "good > end" - what better would you say than "I am just another crazy > guy" ? So, number one ! > ------------ > "These Foolish Things" is lovely and romantic since it evokes > the atmospere (at the beginning) of a romantic lovely cafee, > which is the most romantic thing I know. > > Cheers. > Pavel. > Prague. I on the other hand must bare my chest and prepare for much abuse ,but I was just listening to "Total Recall" and I couldn't beleive how many of the old tunes that I did not enjoy with the fervor that a true fan should have. These Foolish things being among them. I have almost had to come to grips with the fact that I MAY NO LONGER BE A TRUE HARDCORE ROXY FAN. I in fact thought most of it sucked. I had to question myself and I think I have moved beyond some of it. I still dig a lot of it. I'd say about half, but some of it I have no desire whatsoever to hear. Is that so wrong? I had to tell you guys because I want us to still be friends. Although I must say that Bryan's later stuff on the other hand is GODLIKE so I'm not leaving or anything, just had to get that off my chest. Can you forgive me? Will - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:10:18 -0600 From: Todd Haney Subject: [AVALON] Free as a Bird -- this is not off-topic The Beatles Anthology was aired on ABC-TV here in the states over two years ago and yesterday, I finally got around to watching it on tape (I'm way behind). It's okay so far -- I was surprised that some mid-1960's photos of George Harrison resembled Keith Richards during the same period. That's not the observation I'm writing about though. I saw the "Free as a Bird" video for the second time and there looked to be a Bryan Ferry connection. (If this has been covered before, or if I'm overreaching to bizzare minutia, I have no doubt that regular contributors will bust me on it) BUT.. towards the end of the video. as the camera (bird's eye point of view) zooms through a cocktail party, there is a stage on the right where parts of the Sgt. Pepper album cover are assembled. On the stage is a drum with the Sgt. Pepper logo, several Indian party guests in robes and the cardboard stand-up of James Dean. Yet the Dean stand-up does not have the rebel's head. Looks to me like it is Mr. Ferry's visage (c. "Another Time, Another Place.") pasted on there. Am I nuts? Sincerly, T Haney - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:31:10 -0600 (CST) From: Heather Marie Propes Subject: [AVALON] Geographical question Did Roxy Music get the idea for Avalon from the capital city in Catalina? If so, I'm definitely going to arrange a pilgramage next time I'm in Long Beach. Ciao Heather Marie Propes hmpropes@uchicago.edu - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 12:25:37 +1100 From: Jeffrey Hogan Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: VELVET GOLDMINE, the Unambomber, #49 >Did Roxy Music get the idea for Avalon from the capital city in Catalina? >If so, I'm definitely going to arrange a pilgramage next time I'm in Long >Beach. No, no, no...I'm quite sure he got the title from Avalon beach north of Sydney where the magnificent drama series "Home and Away" is filmed (for UK-based subscribers). I suspect YOUR Avalon was John Tesh's inspiration. Jeff. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:05:53 -0600 From: Will Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: VELVET GOLDMINE, the Unambomber, #49 Jeffrey Hogan wrote: > > >Did Roxy Music get the idea for Avalon from the capital city in Catalina? > >If so, I'm definitely going to arrange a pilgramage next time I'm in Long > >Beach. > > No, no, no...I'm quite sure he got the title from Avalon beach north of > Sydney where the magnificent drama series "Home and Away" is filmed > (for UK-based subscribers). I suspect YOUR Avalon was John Tesh's > inspiration. > > Jeff. > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon Are you sure it wasn't the legendary island to which King Arthur's mortally wounded body was taken after his final battle? That seems to make a bit more sense. Will - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:12:21 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] contests and geography Jimmy needled us once again with: > List the covers you would have Bryan Ferry record and the artists they are > associated with: > > "I Can't Escape From You" (Hank Williams) > "Strange Love" (Slim Harpo) > "Not Dark Yet" (Bob Dylan) > "Poor Little Fool" (Fontella Bass & Ike Turner) > "She's Gone" (Willie Nelson) > "Solitude" > "Some Other Spring" (BIllie Holiday) > "Just Your Fool" (Little Walter) > "In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning" (Frank Sinatra) > "I'll Be Around" (Howlin' Wolf) > "Beeswing" (Richard Thompson) > "Beneath Still Waters" (George Jones) It's a good try at suggesting covers, but I think Bryan needs to move in a different direction. My suggestions: I Woke Up In Love This Morning--The Partridge Family Get Into the Groove--Madonna Julie--Bobby Sherman I Will Always Love You--Whitney Houston anything by Celine Dion ditto for Michael Bolton Just A Gigolo--David Lee Roth What's New, Pussycat?--Tom Jones You get the picture. Then Heather asked: > Did Roxy Music get the idea for Avalon from the capital city in Catalina? > If so, I'm definitely going to arrange a pilgramage next time I'm in Long > Beach. Judging from the cover and from the lyrics, I've always assumed that the idea came from Le Morte d'Arthur. But Jeff's "Home and Away" idea seems to work as well (although I thought that was Bondi Beach). Heather, what is this Catalina connection? Colleen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:00:16 EST From: LizzieJim Subject: Re: [AVALON] DUMB FUCKING CONTEST NUMBER...49 I think that Bryan could cover anything and make it sound great. He could even make any Barry Manilow record cool if he wanted to and that's a big order. Personally and at the risk of exposing myself as slowing losing my rock edge I always kinda thought that the Bryster would do Andrew Lloyd Weber's Music of the Night justice. Certainly Lucy dragged him to see the Phantom at some point! Also if he opened up for Hanson as someone has suggested that would be the first time I would ever go to a concert early enuf to see the opening act and leaving before the main/mane event! Egads Hanson the thought is just horrendous! By the way something else to throw out to everyone....Do you think that Robin Trower really does Bryan justice as his producer or would you pick someone else? Janeen - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:38:43 -0500 (EST) From: JVapor7@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Free as a Bird--or Bird Brain??? Dear Mr T, You are nuts--unless the cutout had a #50 painted on it. Jimmy PS to John Fohrman--sorry for misspelling your name, I was coming, and the typing is the first thing to go - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:12:41 -0600 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Frippatronics Here's the review of Fripp in Chicago. No I did not go, becuse I got the dates mixed up. I am surprised that this particular reviewer even went to the concert let alone liked it. His reviews in the last year of the Stones, Bowie , and the Cure (an oldies band???) have been savage. So why he likes a "dinosaur" like Fripp is beyond me. Oh well you be the judge: Robert Fripp's pal Brian Eno once defined ambient music as ``music that rewards close attention but does not demand it.'' That description certainly fit the improvised soundscapes that Fripp and his machines generated for a packed crowd at the Park West on Monday night. At points, I was struck by the simple beauty of the bell-like tones and waves of effected chords produced by the cult-hero guitarist and sometimes leader of King Crimson. They brought to mind ``The Heavenly Music Corporation,'' a piece from his 1973 collaboration with Eno, ``No Pussyfooting.'' At other times, I found myself thinking about grocery shopping and doing the laundry, or wishing that the Park West had those comfy reclining seats they have at the planetarium. To his credit, Fripp encouraged the crowd to walk, talk, read a book or snooze if they wished during his performance. He certainly didn't expect everyone to stay riveted to the stage, and he provided almost nothing to look at. Mostly he sat on a stool in a pool of dim blue light, tweaking his guitar or fiddling with his effects. Occasionally he got up and stood with his hands folded over his black kimono at stage right, looking like a cross between a Buddhist monk and a computer geek. But this was a crowd of hard-core devotees, and many hung raptly on the master's every note and gesture. They knew to arrive early--Fripp got things rolling more than an hour before the scheduled starting time of 7:30 p.m.--and they were primed with queries for phase two of the performance, a question-and-answer session that began at 8:34. Though he has a reputation as something of a stuffed shirt, Fripp was actually a funny and provocative speaker, telling guitarist jokes (``How do you get a guitarist to stop playing? Put the sheet music in front of him'') and taking DePaul University Professor Bill Martin to task for comments about King Crimson in his recent book on progressive rock. Jim DeRogatis, pop music critic Chicago Sun-Times http://www.suntimes.com/output/show1/fripp1.htm - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:24:02 -0600 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] The Bryan Ferry Story- aka Bryan's Song ??? Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:28:59 -0500 (EST) From: JVapor7@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] RE: ROXY--The Made For TV Movie kd lang as Ferry! ahahahaha! You're a card, Victor! What about the rest of the cast? John Lithgow as Eno, Michael J.Fox as Paul Thompson, Jason Patric as Phil Manzanera, Clair Danes as the Young David Bowie, and Jerry Hall as....Jerry Hall Who's the idiot who played Jim Morrison? He could Andy Mackay. Director : David Cronenberg (please not David Lynch) I love this cast. Now add Iggy Pop or Steve tyler as Mick Jagger then it would be perfect. jas - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:00:43 -0600 From: jas2347@xsite.net Subject: [AVALON] Yesterday, Today, and All Tommorrow's Parties.... Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:49:57 EST From: ASchulberg Subject: [AVALON] Level of Activity Well, I'll be offline for a week or so but I just wanted to say that after months and months when it seemed that AVALON was really a place for the dead, the recent spate of activity is most heartening. Keep the flow going and I'll check back in later this month. Arnie DITTO, DITTO, DITTO. Thanks to all who have come out of the closet. You go away for a few days and viola!!! This group was VERY lively over a year ago and then something happened for which was never really explained. Nevertheless, new Avalonians were born and are now sprouting their two cents all over the place. I LOVE IT. All I can say is that I have learned a lot more about Bryan/Roxy et al. by all the postings and little things that you folks have dug up. I still want to know, and this was asked before, does Bryan know anything about this list, and if he is "listening" would he love to comment? His loyal fan base (especially here in Chicago (hello WXRT)) would like to know. Okay Bryan-What's up????? Fans in the United Kingdom- Could someone pass a note to him or his management? Jas (chicago) PS My vote for romantic song- More than This (the final two minutes is orgasmic) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:42:05 -0500 (EST) From: JVapor7@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] When She Walks In The Room... Colleen, You're a class act, dollface. Don't ever change. DON'T EVER CHANGE Jimmy - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:38:32 -0000 From: "Garratt, Chris" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Free as a Bird -- this is not off-topic > BUT.. towards the end of the video. as the camera (bird's eye point >of view) zooms through a cocktail party, there is a stage on the right >where parts of the Sgt. Pepper album cover are assembled. On the stage is >a drum with the Sgt. Pepper logo, several Indian party guests in robes and >the cardboard stand-up of James Dean. Yet the Dean stand-up does not have >the rebel's head. Looks to me like it is Mr. Ferry's visage (c. "Another >Time, Another Place.") pasted on there. > > Am I nuts? Probably not !! Some time last year Q Magazine re-assembled the Sgt. Pepper cover (wasn't it an anniversary??) using latter day "icons" ... BF was definitely in there. McCartney is well in with Q (or rather the Q brown-nosers are well in Macca) and I presume he borrowed it for the video. Chris > > > > > > > > > >-------------------- >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #17 *************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org