From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V3 #11 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, January 14 1998 Volume 03 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Ferry moments [Will ] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #6 ["Graham Howard" ] Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time ["HUGH O'DONNELL" ] Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time [ASchulberg ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:23:55 -0600 From: Will Subject: [AVALON] Ferry moments This is sort of funny but, I just bought a new battery for my camcorder. haven't used it in a year and a half. So I put in a tape from about 5 years ago just to check it out and it's of this night a dancer friend of mine stopped by. So she's all wasted and dancing up a storm in a cute outfit and in the backround Newtown is playing. I was playing the vid and she was compelled to dance. All in all some groovy footage. next scene a few days later. Different people making fools out of themselves ...same soundtrack. Newtown is such a good concert. I don't know why you guys don't like that blonde guitar player, he doesn't bother me at all and I'm usually pretty critical. I like it! Will - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:41:54 +0500 From: "Graham Howard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #6 > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:55:46 -0600 > From: Will > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #6 > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > JVapor7@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hey Graham, > > I agree with ya. Personally, I think David fucking Bowie doesn't have the > > talent to light one of Bryan Ferry's farts. > > > LONG LIVE ROXY--BRYAN FERRY > > jimmy > > doesn't that paint a pretty picture? > > Will > Agreed. In his long career Bowie has done the occassional memorable song like "Space Oddity" and "The Man who sold the World". Some of his instrumental stuff is interesting, like "V2 Shneider", "Sense of Doubt" and "Low", but these are probably the result of Eno's input. Most of his stuff is unmusical drival, and one can't help thinking that he's done so much that the good stuff is the result of the law of averages, plus Brian Eno's collaboration. In contrast, RM and BF have been consistantly interesting and musical right from the start, AND they have developed, but always keeping standards high. Even stuff I didn't used to think much of eg some of the tracks on Siren, I am now enjoying more. A reviewer once said that RM and BF were style without substance (wish I could remember who it was). On the contrary, RM and BF are style WITH substance. Graham. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:44:03 +0500 From: "Graham Howard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time > From: LizzieJim > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:16:45 EST > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time > Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > Ferry is right up there among them but he never gets his proper due. Rock and > Roll Hall of Fame anyone? Did anyone ever go to the R&R joint in Cleveland? > Maybe I blinked too fast but there was not one Roxy/Ferry item available. I > wanted my moola back!!! Janeen...... And I still think that Sonnet 18 is a > much more stronger tribute then that rehashed Candle in the Wind!!!! Janeen > > > > Of course Ferry is nowhere to be seen in the Hall of Fame. I think this is cos he never made it really big in the US. Graham. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:46:18 +0500 From: "Graham Howard" Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time > From: JVapor7@aol.com > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:14:58 -0500 (EST) > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame--I've seen more life at Madame Tussaud's. I > think it's an HONOR Roxy/Ferry isn't subjected to this--it means they still > have a PULSE. > Tell me--has anybody ever seen ANY good music come out of this sacrilege? > Make me eat my words. I'll dress up like Eno (not a pretty sight) > Jimmy > I agree! To theresa Fagan. I mistakenly deleted your message, but whats all this about Split Endz? Graham.> > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:51:09 +0500 From: "Graham Howard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:52:24 -0500 (EST) > From: Cynthia Levay > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > > > Cynthia Levay, Student of Library and Information Science > Vax: levay_c@scsu.ctstateu.edu > Sun: levay@orion.scsu.ctstateu.edu > http://www.scsu-cs.ctstateu.edu/~levay > Phone: 203-776-9026 Fax: 203-392-5780 > > > The only one that comes to mind here is Hendrix. That music will last > forever... > > > > > > > >Graham. > > > > > > > Exactly. > > > I agree. Hendrix was a genius. When I listen to his stuff now it still sounds great. There are a few other examples of this - Cream, and some of the Stones sixties stuff like "Mothers Little Helper". Graham. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Don Becker Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #6 On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Graham Howard wrote: > Agreed. In his long career Bowie has done the occassional memorable > song like "Space Oddity" and "The Man who sold the World". Some > of his instrumental stuff is interesting, like "V2 Shneider", "Sense > of Doubt" and "Low", but these are probably the result of Eno's > input. Most of his stuff is unmusical drival, and one can't help > thinking that he's done so much that the good stuff is the result of > the law of averages, plus Brian Eno's collaboration. I think it's a fair assumption that both Bowie and Ferry have both done their fair share of clunkers, but I'd like to point out that, IMHO, _Station To Station_ and _Scary Monsters_, the albums immediately before and after the Bowie/Eno Berlin trilogy, show just as much genius, if not more, than the trilogy without the influence of Brian Eno. Likewise, on 1995's Outside, where Eno takes on an even stronger role, the music is largely uneven and inconsistent -- a lot of it is avant-garde, but a lot of it is just avant-noise. In short, Bowie's career certainly doesn't begin or end with Eno. - --Don - -- Don Becker becker@panther.adelphi.edu Unix System Administrator, Adelphi University http://www.adelphi.edu/~becker "The world is not as big as I today!" --Echolyn, "Uncle" (1995) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:08:38 -0500 (EST) From: davdmock@america.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: More Champagne At 12:45 AM 1/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >Arnie, >the bootleg known as 'Foolproof,' also part of a two-record set called >'Champagne and Novocaine' (the latter featuring a gorgeous Helmut Newton >image Mr. Ferry himself might approve of). >Ferry sings the lyric as if he's living it, and Phil Manzanera rips off a >demented solo worthy of Link Wray. Not that you were talking to me, but I'd have to agree... Cheers, David DavdMock@America.Net CPL593H! -Bryan Ferry, 1972 _______________________________ |Have a look at my web site... | |Shakatak, | |Swing Out Sister, | |80's UK pop | |Atlanta Bands, | |Lounge Music, | |Hamlet & | |Raymond Chandler pages | |Lotsa cool stuff! | - ------------------------------- http://www.america.net/~davdmock/ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:08:31 -0500 (EST) From: davdmock@america.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time At 08:47 AM 1/12/98 +0500, Graham wrote: >, it would be interesting to hear Prarie Rose now in concert. (snip) >Similarly, Siren was never one of my fav Roxy albums but listening to >it now I hear things I never heard before. "Nightingale" is a lovely >song, and "Whirwind" races punkishly along; now think its one of >their most exciting songs, and I'd love to see em do it live. For what it's worth, I believe the 'Funky Chick'/'For Europeans' Siren tour boots have Nightingale and Whirlwind on them, and the Bittersweet Country Life tour boot opens with Prarie Rose-- well worth checking out! Cheers, David DavdMock@America.Net CPL593H! -Bryan Ferry, 1972 _______________________________ |Have a look at my web site... | |Shakatak, | |Swing Out Sister, | |80's UK pop | |Atlanta Bands, | |Lounge Music, | |Hamlet & | |Raymond Chandler pages | |Lotsa cool stuff! | - ------------------------------- http://www.america.net/~davdmock/ - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:47:43 +0500 From: "Graham Howard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time > From: davdmock@america.net > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:08:31 -0500 (EST) > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > At 08:47 AM 1/12/98 +0500, Graham wrote: > >, it would be interesting to hear Prarie Rose now in concert. > (snip) > >Similarly, Siren was never one of my fav Roxy albums but listening to > >it now I hear things I never heard before. "Nightingale" is a lovely > >song, and "Whirwind" races punkishly along; now think its one of > >their most exciting songs, and I'd love to see em do it live. > > For what it's worth, I believe the 'Funky Chick'/'For Europeans' Siren tour > boots have Nightingale and Whirlwind on them, and the Bittersweet Country > Life tour boot opens with Prarie Rose-- well worth checking out! > Cheers, > David > DavdMock@America.Net >Thanks. Graham. > > > > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:46:59 +0500 From: "Graham Howard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #6 > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:32:44 -0500 (EST) > From: Don Becker > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #6 > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Graham Howard wrote: > > > Agreed. In his long career Bowie has done the occassional memorable > > song like "Space Oddity" and "The Man who sold the World". Some > > of his instrumental stuff is interesting, like "V2 Shneider", "Sense > > of Doubt" and "Low", but these are probably the result of Eno's > > input. Most of his stuff is unmusical drival, and one can't help > > thinking that he's done so much that the good stuff is the result of > > the law of averages, plus Brian Eno's collaboration. > > I think it's a fair assumption that both Bowie and Ferry have both done their > fair share of clunkers, but I'd like to point out that, IMHO, _Station To > Station_ and _Scary Monsters_, the albums immediately before and after the > Bowie/Eno Berlin trilogy, show just as much genius, if not more, than the > trilogy without the influence of Brian Eno. Likewise, on 1995's Outside, > where Eno takes on an even stronger role, the music is largely uneven and > inconsistent -- a lot of it is avant-garde, but a lot of it is just > avant-noise. > > In short, Bowie's career certainly doesn't begin or end with Eno. > > --Don > > I have to give you some of this. I had completely forgotten about "Station to Station", which I used to have, and "Scary Monsters". STS is a progressive contribution to the funk/soul idiom. Scary Monsters had some exciting moments, especially the t Graham. > > > -------------------- > - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:57:03 -0600 From: Will Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V3 #6 Graham Howard wrote: > > I think it's a fair assumption that both Bowie and Ferry have both done their > > fair share of clunkers, but I'd like to point out that, IMHO, _Station To > > Station_ and _Scary Monsters_, the albums immediately before and after the > > Bowie/Eno Berlin trilogy, show just as much genius, if not more, than the > > trilogy without the influence of Brian Eno. Likewise, on 1995's Outside, > > where Eno takes on an even stronger role, the music is largely uneven and > > inconsistent -- a lot of it is avant-garde, but a lot of it is just > > avant-noise. > > > > In short, Bowie's career certainly doesn't begin or end with Eno. > > > > --Don > > I have to give you some of this. I had completely forgotten about "Station to Station", which I used to have, and "Scary Monsters". STS is a progressive contribution to the funk/soul idiom. Scary Monsters had some exciting moments, especially the t > > Graham. I'm not that big a Bowie fan myself but I did like "Aladdin Sane" and "Scary Monsters" and I think I have "Never Let Me Down". Did any of you catch that latest special that was on pay-per-view of Bowie. It was pretty good. He was looking all weird with his grunge go-tee look and that video with his face superimposed over another face. kinda cool and really weird. Will - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:26:16 -0500 From: "HUGH O'DONNELL" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time Graham Howard wrote: > > From: LizzieJim > > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:16:45 EST > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time > > Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) > > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > > > Ferry is right up there among them but he never gets his proper due. > Rock and > > Roll Hall of Fame anyone? Did anyone ever go to the R&R joint in > Cleveland? > > Maybe I blinked too fast but there was not one Roxy/Ferry item > available. I > > wanted my moola back!!! Janeen...... And I still think that Sonnet > 18 is a > > much more stronger tribute then that rehashed Candle in the Wind!!!! > Janeen > > > > > > > > > Of course Ferry is nowhere to be seen in the Hall of Fame. I think > this is cos he never made it really big in the US. > > Graham. > Living in north america if you ask people if you know of Roxy music > they say....sure love is the drug...it`s the one song they got plenty > of air time on......if they only knew !!!!! > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:22:15 EST From: ASchulberg Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: More Champagne In a message dated 98-01-13 10:37:41 EST, you write: << >Arnie, >the bootleg known as 'Foolproof,' also part of a two-record set called >'Champagne and Novocaine' (the latter featuring a gorgeous Helmut Newton >image Mr. Ferry himself might approve of). >Ferry sings the lyric as if he's living it, and Phil Manzanera rips off a >demented solo worthy of Link Wray. Not that you were talking to me, but I'd have to agree... >> David- Your intrusion is always welcome. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:20:03 EST From: ASchulberg Subject: Re: [AVALON] RM/BF music standing the test of time In a message dated 98-01-13 09:20:22 EST, you write: << Of course Ferry is nowhere to be seen in the Hall of Fame. I think this is cos he never made it really big in the US.>> But the irony is that he was HUGE in Cleveland, site of the Hall of Fame. If it was up to the locals, I'm sure he'd be enshrined. I will at some point write more on this subject but just as an influence on so many other bands, Roxy should be inducted. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:27:08 EST From: ASchulberg Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry moments << So I put in a tape from about 5 years ago just to check it out and it's of this night a dancer friend of mine stopped by. So she's all wasted and dancing up a storm in a cute outfit and in the backround Newtown is playing. I was playing the vid and she was compelled to dance. >> Gee, as an old married man, I find this to be the opening to an *interesting* story. Arnie - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V3 #11 *************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org