From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V2 #30 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, October 15 1997 Volume 02 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Smalltalk ["Graham Howard" ] Re: [AVALON] the next sound ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] In Every Dream Home a Real Doll [Will ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:42:58 +0500 From: "Graham Howard" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Smalltalk > From: "S.J.Batie" > To: derekc , avalon , > "S.J.Batie" > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Smalltalk > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:54:21 +0100 > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > > > > > >For RM, I go with Your Application's Failed (even if it's just to > > hear > > >Paul Thompson's geordie brouge of a vocal). > > > > > > That was BF's voice. It gives you an idea of how he used to talk > > before > > he aristocratized his voice (a deliberate act on his part, reportedly. > > > > I think he said something like he needed to make his voice more > > "posh.") > > > [Steve] > Are you sure ???? Ferry's accent (even in '72) was softer than > Thompson's. > > Ferry always had a 'mackem' lilt was Thompson was more of a > Tyneside accent. > > > > Steve (from Gateshead !!) I agree. Ive never heard Paul Thompsons voice but it doesnt sound like BF to me. I can imagine PT having a stronger geordie accent. I lived in Newcastle upon Tyne for a while, and even in the seventies BF had a very weak geordie accent compared to most people up there. Graham. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:29:49 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the next sound Will wrote: > I'm going to open myself up to all sorts of criticism and say that when > BF went solo he probably went through some adjustment to get away from > that band input, productive criticism thing.Some artists get by it and > it's OK. Mick Jagger's solo effort, I thought was quite good (She's the > Boss) but I don't like the stones all that much.Sting apparently had his > nads removed when he left the Police(what was he thinking-there's a big > future in elevator music?)Much as I liked the musicians in Roxy I think > the milestone in Ferry's career was Boys and Girls with Knopfler and > Gilmour. You've got heavily talented musicians, the nuclei of the bands > they were from(much like Ferry)doing what the man tells > them(constructive criticism and band input from these guys? now you've > got something). He seems to know what he wants and I think the end > result is what he wants. Points all very well taken. In fact Knopfler was a bigger star in America than Ferry ever was/is so he certainly has the resume to stand up to Ferry in the studio. I just wish some of Ferry's notable post-Roxy alliances (Knopfler, Gilmour, Marr, Eno) had led to more output. By "band" efforts I wasn't necessarily referring to Roxy. In fact, IMHO I think the musicians on Ferry's post-Roxy albums are overall more talented. I just think that by shuttling musicians in & out of the studio you run the risk of diluting verybody's input. I'm not sure that Ferry is really always that interested in other musicians' input -- he's an aristocrat, not a democrat, musically speaking -- but sometimes that attitude can work against you. B&G, Bete Noire did not have individual musician credits on each track so it's a bit difficult to pick apart the contributions of each musician. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:48:04 -0700 From: Brian Folks Subject: [AVALON] In Every Dream Home a Real Doll This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------4F5C825657318F687C8DF4DF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard Stern was talking about this site recently and it immediately brought to mind BF. You've got to see it to believe it. http://www.realdoll.com/ I wonder if BF would approve. - --------------4F5C825657318F687C8DF4DF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Brian Folks Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Brian Folks n: Folks;Brian org: Warranty Escrow Co., Inc. adr: 3400 Torrance Blvd.;;Suite 102;Torrance;CA;90503;USA email;internet: Folks@BikeRider.com title: Business Manager tel;work: 310-540-4122 tel;fax: 310-543-5454 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard - --------------4F5C825657318F687C8DF4DF-- - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:47:59 +0200 From: Bahi Para Subject: [AVALON] Move along Will wrote: > I think the milestone in Ferry's career was Boys and Girls Well said. Some light in the darkness. >In closing all I can add to this jumbled mass of statements is,39 >Steps, Your painted smile, The only face Mamouna is a complete world. It's not a concept album or a treat for music journalists, delighting in post-modern cleverness - just nine intense visions of a world. This is an album you can live inside. John wrote: >Bryan should drop thiis relentless effort to recreate the Avalon sound. >Instead he should return to either the electrfying sounds of Stranded >(MOP and Serenade) or should go for horn laden sounds of his middle solo >efforts. [...] I'll bite. These pathetic calls for Bryan Ferry to return to some past style or other, and claims that he's trying to recreate the Avalon sound... That sound isn't a patch on the current one or that of Boys & Girls. Granted, Avalon was open enough and immediate enough to make it a big seller in Europe and a number one album in Britian, accessible to almost anyone. It's an album that doesn't take much repetition to do its stuff. But that's not the only yardstick. If you need horn-laden sounds, there a whole MOR section in the record shops for you. For young, electrifying art rock, try Pulp and their imitators. For morose energy, try the new Verve album ("Urban Hyms") - it's excellent. It's not as if Roxy failed when they did this stuff. Why try to do it again? What's wrong with the first Roxy album, or For Your Pleasure? Ferry's on a journey - if you were comfortable where you were years ago, stay there - you won't be short of company. But Ferry at 53 trying to sound like Ferry at 30 after three years' work would be a complete wash-out. >Plus it loses something on radio (smashing if >you listen to BF through a Linn ot Naim but the majority don't) The Spice Girls and Take That sound good on the radio. Haven't bought any of their albums, though. Bahi (no Naim, no Linn) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:37:44 -0500 From: Will Subject: Re: [AVALON] In Every Dream Home a Real Doll Brian Folks wrote: > > Howard Stern was talking about this site recently and it immediately > brought to mind BF. You've got to see it to believe it. > http://www.realdoll.com/ > I wonder if BF would approve. Really strange. Howard probably ordered one of each. That's funny I just rented his movie last knight, it wasn't that good. Will - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V2 #30 *************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org