From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V2 #27 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, October 11 1997 Volume 02 : Number 027 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Smalltalk ["S.J.Batie" ] [AVALON] M People!! [Andy Cooper ] [AVALON] the next sound [johnmaca@cableinet.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] the next sound ["Victor Hastings" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Smalltalk > >For RM, I go with Your Application's Failed (even if it's just to > hear > >Paul Thompson's geordie brouge of a vocal). > > > That was BF's voice. It gives you an idea of how he used to talk > before > he aristocratized his voice (a deliberate act on his part, reportedly. > > I think he said something like he needed to make his voice more > "posh.") > [Steve] Are you sure ???? Ferry's accent (even in '72) was softer than Thompson's. Ferry always had a 'mackem' lilt was Thompson was more of a Tyneside accent. Steve (from Gateshead !!) - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:15:53 -0400 From: Andy Cooper Subject: [AVALON] M People!! Hi everyone, In the latest edition of the free magazine given away at Tower Records, Piccadilly, London there is the following statement:- M People are back with their fourth album EL FRESCO. Singer Heather Smal= l has made a little addition to her family in the meantime which has absolutely nothing to do with ex-Smiths guitarist Johnny Marr appearing o= n three tracks. Plus there's a peculiar drum'n'bass cover of Roxy Music's Avalon. I bet it is peculiar!!!! Andy - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:52:42 +0100 From: johnmaca@cableinet.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] the next sound Hi all again, Thanks you for the input from so many of you, regarding the debate on the Avalon sound. I'm going to assume that many of you are at odds with my position. That's fine... One of the things Inoticed on B&G's was that Bryan employed the use of a large quantity of musicians some - who at the time were quite high profile (Mark Knopfler). My view is that notwithstanding the quality of B&Gs (particularly Windswept) that in general Bryan produces better work when he has a band. John - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:00:44 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the next sound John wrote: > > One of the things Inoticed on B&G's was that Bryan employed the use of a > large quantity of musicians some - who at the time were quite high > profile (Mark Knopfler). > > My view is that notwithstanding the quality of B&Gs (particularly > Windswept) that in general Bryan produces better work when he has a > band. > By "has a band" do you mean his work is better when he uses the same musicians throughout the album rather than changing personnel from track to track? RM albums 1-5 are clearly "band" albums. 6-8 fall into a gray area (that's "grey" for our international readers) because Ferry was beginning to rotate personnel (Steve Ferrone on drums for Dance Away; 3 different drummers & 2 bassists on F + B; I believe Avalon had fairly stable personnel from track to track. On his first four solo albums I believe Ferry used generally the same core musicians but supplemented w/ other musicians. (Don't have the record info to check, though.) B&G, Bete Noire, Taxi & Mamouna use a ton of different musicians; the only constant throughout is the presence of Neil Hubbard. So I guess it depends on whether you classify the early solo efforts, and the Manifesto/F+B/Avalon trilogy, as "band" efforts. I think Avalon is one of the best RM efforts; even friends who aren't crazy about RM/Ferry like Avalon. If you classify Avalon as a band effort, then I'd probably agree that, in general, the band efforts are superior to the ensemble efforts. IMHO, playing in a "band" can//should result in productive constructive criticism & give-n-take from your fellow band members, whereas in an ensemble, a session man who mouths off at the boss gets replaced. Hence a tendency toward wretched excess & Ferry has certainly been guilty of that on occasion. So have a lot of other musicians who have gone solo, Robert Plant & Mick Jagger come immediately to mind. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V2 #27 *************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org