From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V2 #25 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, October 9 1997 Volume 02 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Smalltalk ["S.J.Batie" ] Re: [AVALON] Smalltalk ["Graham Howard" ] Re: [AVALON] Smalltalk ["Graham Howard" ] [AVALON] Avalon [Roberto Galvez ] [AVALON] Avalon Sound [johnmaca@cableinet.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] Avalon Sound ["Graham Howard" ] Re: [AVALON] Avalon Sound ["Victor Hastings" ] Re: [AVALON] Smalltalk [BPhilipson@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Avalon Sound [John Fohrman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:52:46 +0100 From: "S.J.Batie" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Smalltalk I agree with Peter on As The World Turns, that is so laid back ... For RM, I go with Your Application's Failed (even if it's just to hear Paul Thompson's geordie brouge of a vocal). Throw Andy MacKay in to this and let's have Wild Week-end. Was this the B to Walking The Whipet ??? Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Dewey [SMTP:peter@dewey.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 9:58 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Smalltalk > > The talk has been a bit slow lately, presumably we've nearly all died > from holding our breaths waiting for the next release.... > > I was thinking, what is your favourite B-side. I find this one an easy > one to answer, > > For RM, it has to be "Hula Kula", I've been whistling the tune for 23 > years! For BF "As the World Turns". A few months ago I got the Japan > Mamouna CD, so now I can listen to it in its full glory again. > > Any thoughts? > -- > Peter Dewey > > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:21:35 +0500 From: "Graham Howard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Smalltalk > From: "Victor Hastings" > To: > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Smalltalk > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:38:31 -0500 > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > ---------- > > From: Peter Dewey > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: [AVALON] Smalltalk > > Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 3:57 PM > > > > I was thinking, what is your favourite B-side. I find this one an easy > > one to answer, > > > > For RM, it has to be "Hula Kula", I've been whistling the tune for 23 > > years! For BF "As the World Turns". A few months ago I got the Japan > > Mamouna CD, so now I can listen to it in its full glory again. > > > I like "Lover." Didn't know "As the World Turns" was available on CD. > Also, I believe the remake of "Manifesto" was a B-side to "Over You" & I > liked that version a lot. > My last answer to this was a joke (Sultanesque), but I really do like it. I remember when I was a student at Bangor University in Wales, there was a juke box in the student union with Love is the drug. Someone put on Sultanesque so that it kept repeating over and over again. It drove everyone crazy. Seriously, my fav b side of a bf single is As the world turns as above. My fav Roxy b side is Trash 2, which INMO is much better than Trash 1. Graham. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:18:03 +0500 From: "Graham Howard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Smalltalk > Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:57:41 +0100 > To: avalon@smoe.org > From: Peter Dewey > Subject: [AVALON] Smalltalk > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > The talk has been a bit slow lately, presumably we've nearly all died > from holding our breaths waiting for the next release.... > > I was thinking, what is your favourite B-side. I find this one an easy > one to answer, > > For RM, it has to be "Hula Kula", I've been whistling the tune for 23 > years! For BF "As the World Turns". A few months ago I got the Japan > Mamouna CD, so now I can listen to it in its full glory again. > > Any thoughts? > -- > Peter Dewey > Easy - the flip side of Love in the drug - Sultanesque! I await flaming. Graham. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:59:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Roberto Galvez Subject: [AVALON] Avalon I've just seen Avalon clip complete again in MTV (In 'Total Recall' it appears cut ).And I think one of the old ladies that are shown there is BF's mother. (The one of the right side-she really looks like Bryan). Does anybody know something ? Roberto. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 21:05:03 +0100 From: johnmaca@cableinet.co.uk Subject: [AVALON] Avalon Sound Hello All, I am new to this mailing list but have been avid listener to RM/BF for over twenty years now. Not wishing to upset anyone but in a bid to SPICE up (gettit) proceedings.I think... Bryan should drop thiis relentless effort to recreate the Avalon sound. Instead he should return to either the electrfying sounds of Stranded (MOP and Serenade) or should go for horn laden sounds of his middle solo efforts. I really enjoy the Avalon sound but it is just too difficult for the average man in the street. Plus it loses something on radio (smashing if you listen to BF through a Linn ot Naim but the majority don't) Even Siren had a nice edge to it. Chew on that one John - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:16:57 +0500 From: "Graham Howard" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon Sound > From: johnmaca@cableinet.co.uk > Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 21:05:03 +0100 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Avalon Sound > Reply-to: avalon@smoe.org > Hello All, > > I am new to this mailing list but have been avid listener to RM/BF for > over twenty years now. > > Not wishing to upset anyone but in a bid to SPICE up (gettit) > proceedings.I think... > > Bryan should drop thiis relentless effort to recreate the Avalon sound. > Instead he should return to either the electrfying sounds of Stranded > (MOP and Serenade) or should go for horn laden sounds of his middle solo > efforts. > > I really enjoy the Avalon sound but it is just too difficult for the > average man in the street. Plus it loses something on radio (smashing if > you listen to BF through a Linn ot Naim but the majority don't) > > Even Siren had a nice edge to it. > > Chew on that one > > John > Welcome John from a fellow RM/BF fan of twenty five years. Interesting comments, but would everyone agree that everything BF has done since Avalon has been an attempt to create the Avalon sound? I think there's an element of truth in this, but as a general description of everything he's done since I think it's innacurate, and does little justice to the eclectic nature of his post-Avalon output. Graham. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:21:36 -0500 From: "Victor Hastings" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon Sound >>John wrote, > > Bryan should drop thiis relentless effort to recreate the Avalon sound. > > Instead he should return to either the electrfying sounds of Stranded > > (MOP and Serenade) or should go for horn laden sounds of his middle solo > > efforts. > > > > I really enjoy the Avalon sound but it is just too difficult for the > > average man in the street. Plus it loses something on radio (smashing if > > you listen to BF through a Linn ot Naim but the majority don't) > > > > Even Siren had a nice edge to it. > > > Graham wrote, > Welcome John from a fellow RM/BF fan of twenty five years. > Interesting comments, but would everyone agree that everything BF has > done since Avalon has been an attempt to create the Avalon sound? I > think there's an element of truth in this, but as a general > description of everything he's done since I think it's innacurate, > and does little justice to the eclectic nature of his post-Avalon > output. > Welcome to the list. A French interviewer accused Ferry of trying to remake Avalon for the past 15 years & he took exception to that. There's an obvious transition in Ferry's work, beginning with the remade disco versions of "Angel Eyes" and "Manifesto," from that vintage Roxy wall of sound to a lighter style whose most successful exposition was "Avalon." But I thought "Bete Noire" owed a lot to the older Roxy style -- songs like "The Right Stuff" and "Day for Night" are good crank-up-the-volume pieces & there's little on "Manifesto," "F + B" or "Avalon" that fits that description. And "Boys & Girls" doesn't strike me as terribly similar to "Avalon" though not terribly dissimilar -- more like a cautious first step forward in Ferry's first solo venture of the decade. "Taxi" & "Mamouna" mine the same art-rock vein, and I'd say those two bear the most resemblance to "Avalon." Whether it's a favorable comparison is a matter of individual preference. "Mamouna" has become one of my faves. All told I share your fondness for the earlier stuff, especially albums 3, 4 & 5, but I don't expect the next Ferry release to sound remotely like them. I would agree that the last fifteen years sound markedly different from the first ten, but I don't think everything since "Avalon" sounds the same. I'll get off the soap box now & give someone else a turn. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:45:48 -0400 (EDT) From: BPhilipson@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Smalltalk I'll have to say Always Unknowing (I don't know why that was just an outtake), although Your Applications Failed is another great one. - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 00:41:17 -0400 From: John Fohrman Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalon Sound Greetings everyone. As a musician, I would be taken aback by the comment of that interviewer. Although I strongly support people having their own opinion, I don't think the way you guys are talking. I'll be specific: I actually hear songs in dreams, write them down, and record them. (This brings up another philosophical debate which I won't get into here, but would be happy to respond to.) The "sound" is integral to the nature of the song. I think BF, being far more accomplished and experienced than I am, thinks more about the overall sound of an entire album. There's several reasons for this, not the least of which is WHAT SELLS. I used to get a little mad at our hero for his forays into trying to be as big in the U.S. as he is in Europe, particularly because part of it may have been his failure to transcend his jealousy towards a certain musician/marketing genius with very large lips. After meeting BF, I found him to be a truly wonderful, sincere human being. I was euphoric that the only popular figure I had chosen as a role model turned out to be so worthy of my admiration. Any reservations I had evaporated. BF should record whatever he feels like. I hope he benefits from it greatly; he deserves it. All the best to all of you... John Victor Hastings wrote: > > >>John wrote, > > > > Bryan should drop thiis relentless effort to recreate the Avalon sound. > > > Instead he should return to either the electrfying sounds of Stranded > > > (MOP and Serenade) or should go for horn laden sounds of his middle > solo > > > efforts. > > > > > > I really enjoy the Avalon sound but it is just too difficult for the > > > average man in the street. Plus it loses something on radio (smashing > if > > > you listen to BF through a Linn ot Naim but the majority don't) > > > > > > Even Siren had a nice edge to it. > > > > > Graham wrote, > > Welcome John from a fellow RM/BF fan of twenty five years. > > Interesting comments, but would everyone agree that everything BF has > > done since Avalon has been an attempt to create the Avalon sound? I > > think there's an element of truth in this, but as a general > > description of everything he's done since I think it's innacurate, > > and does little justice to the eclectic nature of his post-Avalon > > output. > > > Welcome to the list. A French interviewer accused Ferry of trying to > remake Avalon for the past 15 years & he took exception to that. There's > an obvious transition in Ferry's work, beginning with the remade disco > versions of "Angel Eyes" and "Manifesto," from that vintage Roxy wall of > sound to a lighter style whose most successful exposition was "Avalon." > But I thought "Bete Noire" owed a lot to the older Roxy style -- songs like > "The Right Stuff" and "Day for Night" are good crank-up-the-volume pieces & > there's little on "Manifesto," "F + B" or "Avalon" that fits that > description. And "Boys & Girls" doesn't strike me as terribly similar to > "Avalon" though not terribly dissimilar -- more like a cautious first step > forward in Ferry's first solo venture of the decade. > > "Taxi" & "Mamouna" mine the same art-rock vein, and I'd say those two bear > the most resemblance to "Avalon." Whether it's a favorable comparison is a > matter of individual preference. "Mamouna" has become one of my faves. > > All told I share your fondness for the earlier stuff, especially albums 3, > 4 & 5, but I don't expect the next Ferry release to sound remotely like > them. I would agree that the last fifteen years sound markedly different > from the first ten, but I don't think everything since "Avalon" sounds the > same. > > I'll get off the soap box now & give someone else a turn. > > -------------------- > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon - -------------------- To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V2 #25 *************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to avalon-digest-owner@smoe.org