From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V9 #102 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, July 19 2004 Volume 09 : Number 102 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Frigging NPR, NPR, NPR... Debaters, and flamers, etc. [KrodKnid@aol.c] Re: Frigging NPR, NPR, NPR... Debaters, and flamers, etc. [KrodKnid@aol.c] Rif: poe's studio setup ["Zenigata" ] sp00k contact me... all others delete [Cyberfan Corporation ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:42:20 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Frigging NPR, NPR, NPR... Debaters, and flamers, etc. In a message dated 7/17/2004 3:29:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, livthemdns@aol.com writes: Yes, violence is a family value, and I'm glad someone got that out in the open. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone, maybe Strindberg, said something like "The family, supposed cradle of all the virtues, where innocent children are tortured into their first falsehoods..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 05:25:29 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Frigging NPR, NPR, NPR... Debaters, and flamers, etc. In a message dated 7/17/2004 3:29:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, livthemdns@aol.com writes: One more question for all you still reading this... if being gay is strictly a choice and nothing more, then why would a person decide to be gay? Is there any significant benefit from it that they derive? They will be persecuted more frequently than accepted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the mid 70s, as the whole "hippie" thing disintegrated, there were a number of poseur hippies who became pseudo-gay just so they wouldn't lose that feeling they were part of some hipper-than-thou cultural movement. The only things going on with any serious underground social cachet to them were gay rights and women's rights and unisex...punk culture hadn't come along yet, so they went from being poseur hippies to being poseur gays. The most extreme example of this that I have heard of was these glitter/glam freaks from around NYC who were so sure that the Bowie driven unisex thing emulated by the New York Dolls, Iggy, T-Rex, et al was going to be the permanent wave of future hippitude, that they went out and had sex change operations to go along with their monster platform shoes and spandex in an attempt to push their vanity and coolness past everyone else. That whole scene burned out in a year or two as Bowie et al went on to bigger and better things...meanwhile those guys had left their dicks in the dumpster. That is some sick, sad shit...sort of like girls who don't much care for sex, but will sleep with guys just for the attention...or like cokewhores. I also know of people who did all manner of bi-sexual shit during wife/mate swapping orgies just to avoid seeming uncool to their kinky friends...then acted like they really dug it for the same reason. If you pressed them on it though you could easily see they weren't getting anything out of the gay shiz except a feeling of belonging to the kinky scene they were into. I also know girls who were "lesbians" for some time before finally admitting to themselves that they really couldn't stand going down on a girl and were, in fact, seriously grossed out by it...they loved hetero-sex and going down on guys though. So, though I agree that you really can't *choose* to be gay or not, you can choose to pretend you are or aren't...or to stop pretending...and there are "closet-heteros" out there who are just milking the gay thing for social points. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:17:21 +0200 (ora legale Europa occidentale) From: "Zenigata" Subject: Rif: poe's studio setup =0D =0D Can translate all message in italian?I'm sorry but I'm Italian and I don'= t understand no message...I don't speak a good english :(=0D Hi all... =0D Nazzareno (this is my ugly name) [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:07:50 -0700 (MST) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: sp00k contact me... all others delete sp00k contact me... all others delete JK/// ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:16:00 -0700 From: "Michael M. Weinstein" Subject: Re: Frigging NPR, NPR, NPR... Debaters, and flamers, etc. True, but a small group that isn't what it appears to be doesn't negate the fact that a larger group is what it is. Closet gays don't negate the fact that most heteros are actually hetero at their core. I'm guessing that being a closet gay is a lot more common than being a closet heterosexual (which does kinda suggest the pressure is to be straight regardless of your own feelings). As far as people who were gay and decided not to be gay, the process of un-gayifying someone doesn't always seem to work so well. The group Exodus International really springs into mind here, their poster couple is a former lesbian married to a former gay man (who described himself as a "party slut" before turning straight). Things were going quite well for him until someone snapped pictures of him heading into a gay nightclub in DC. I guess maybe there's also the question of what is gay. Is gay BEING attracted to members of the same sex or is it PRACTICING sex acts with members of the same sex? Waiting for the bisexuals to flame me for not mentioning them here Mike KrodKnid@aol.com wrote on 7/18/2004, 2:25 AM: In a message dated 7/17/2004 3:29:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, livthemdns@aol.com writes: One more question for all you still reading this... if being gay is strictly a choice and nothing more, then why would a person decide to be gay? Is there any significant benefit from it that they derive? They will be persecuted more frequently than accepted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In the mid 70s, as the whole "hippie" thing disintegrated, there were a number of poseur hippies who became pseudo-gay just so they wouldn't lose that feeling they were part of some hipper-than-thou cultural movement. The only things going on with any serious underground social cachet to them were gay rights and women's rights and unisex...punk culture hadn't come along yet, so they went from being poseur hippies to being poseur gays. The most extreme example of this that I have heard of was these glitter/glam freaks from around NYC who were so sure that the Bowie driven unisex thing emulated by the New York Dolls, Iggy, T-Rex, et al was going to be the permanent wave of future hippitude, that they went out and had sex change operations to go along with their monster platform shoes and spandex in an attempt to push their vanity and coolness past everyone else. That whole scene burned out in a year or two as Bowie et al went on to bigger and better things...meanwhile those guys had left their dicks in the dumpster. That is some sick, sad shit...sort of like girls who don't much care for sex, but will sleep with guys just for the attention...or like cokewhores. I also know of people who did all manner of bi-sexual shit during wife/mate swapping orgies just to avoid seeming uncool to their kinky friends...then acted like they really dug it for the same reason. If you pressed them on it though you could easily see they weren't getting anything out of the gay shiz except a feeling of belonging to the kinky scene they were into. I also know girls who were "lesbians" for some time before finally admitting to themselves that they really couldn't stand going down on a girl and were, in fact, seriously grossed out by it...they loved hetero-sex and going down on guys though. So, though I agree that you really can't *choose* to be gay or not, you can choose to pretend you are or aren't...or to stop pretending...and there are "closet-heteros" out there who are just milking the gay thing for social points. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:55:14 -0500 From: "Oona ***" Subject: Contacting the Mistress of Groove Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone had a mailing address for POE. I had something I wanted to ask her and I know she reads the message boards on her site, but I would rather mail her. Or should I just email her? Its not important that she gets back to me I guess, but I would really like my questions to actually get to her- so what is the most successful way others have gotten in touch with her. Thanks, Tara - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dont just search. Find. 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