From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V9 #100 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, July 17 2004 Volume 09 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- What Poe means to me: ["Kristin Larch" ] Im confused [Spc James Battle ] Re: angry-psychos-digest V9 #98 [NeverTell1117@aol.com] Re: Im confused [life in the so-called space age Subject: What Poe means to me: She means so much, and if I ever get the chance to meet her, I'll tell her so. She means liberation and expression. She means joy and pain. She means angst in my adult form - growing as an individual, as I have done since I started listening to her music. She means keeping in touch with my feelings - my heart - my family. She was there for me heartbreak after heartbreak (with stupid boys), and she was there to celebrate the fantastic one(s). She held my hand when I was pissed at the world - mad at my parents, money, logic. She kept me grounded when I didn't feel that I had much else to turn to 6 years ago. She comforted me when my Grandmother died of cancer in April. She's sitting in the back seat of my car when my 7 year old daughter and I are belting out the lyrics to "Control"... Or when I hear "I'm not allergic, anymore... Just thought you should know.." sung from my daughter's sassy mouth... My little girl, who I hope is able to find an outlet as I have. An AMAZING outlet that she can take pretty much where ever she goes... never fades, just ages perfectly with time - fitting into her life in just the right spots, always there when she needs something to fall back on. THATS what Poe means to me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Spc James Battle Subject: Im confused Some how, durring the sign up for the AP's I mustve checked the box that says 'fill my inbox with anti/pro same sex (insert hot topic here)'. Someone wake me up when its time to talk about Poe again. _____________________________________________________________ Secure mail ---> http://www.blackcode.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:02:03 EDT From: NeverTell1117@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V9 #98 Homosexuality is not a choice, and unless you are yourself gay you can't possibly know for certain. (I am.) No one chooses to arbitrarily change who they are attracted to. No one chooses to lead a life in which they are constantly harrassed, sometimes beaten, and even murdered for their sexuality. The only choice anyone makes is whether they accept themselves for what they are. Even if homosexuality was a choice, that wouldn't be a valid reason to bash it; don't forget that religion is a choice as well. - -Robbie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:41:08 -0400 From: life in the so-called space age Subject: Re: Im confused On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 23:03:20 -0700 (PDT), Spc James Battle wrote: > > Some how, durring the sign up for the AP's I mustve checked the box that says 'fill my inbox with anti/pro same sex (insert hot topic here)'. > Someone wake me up when its time to talk about Poe again. > its no coincidence that we're named angry psychos. - -- did you change the world or your point of view? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:25:48 EDT From: Spidersrcute2@aol.com Subject: Re: What POE means to me POE means driving down the freeway at 80+ miles an hour singing at the top of your lungs. POE means making a bad day feel good again just from the sound of a voice. POE means Peace On Earth Paranoid Orbiting Earth and many other things. POE means POE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:48:27 -0400 From: life in the so-called space age Subject: Re: What POE means to me On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:25:48 EDT, spidersrcute2@aol.com wrote: POE means Peace On Earth Paranoid Orbiting Earth and many other > things. > > POE means POE Purity of Essence - -- did you change the world or your point of view? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:02:30 EDT From: Davey08@aol.com Subject: RE: Frigging NPR, NPR, NPR... Debaters, and flamers, etc. This is great stuff, people. I'm glad to see we're all still talking to each other. I just wish there was more intelligence, though. Do some friggin research people! I have yet to hear about the gays and lesbians who have chosen to be straight. Yes, they chose. We can choose. Now, don't get me wrong, I think people may not have a choice in starting out being homosexual either. I know that sounds like an obvious idiot's contradiction. But hear me out. This is a stupid analogy, but it has a point. When each and every human is born (with a few exceptions) they are given a name. The name is not genetic, it is a label. They learn to spell it, at first, and later learn to appreciate it. They didn't choose the name, it was chosen for them. I happen to believe homosexuality is just a trait that is taken on in childhood. This is a very important time in every humans life, because it's when the brain is literally being hardwired for life. During childhood, you learn motor controls, speech, body language, internal thought, cause & effect, imagination, etc. People (unfortunately including a lot of parents) don't seem to realize this or care. Not to mention, we currently have so little understanding of the human brain, that there's no telling what causal factors contribute to homosexuality. But let's look at the facts. Our lot in life is reproduction. Regardless of what you believe about or origins (designed or evolved) we are all baby making machines. To the point, we have a little thing called desire. Desire drives us. Sexual desire points us in the right direction to make babies. Otherwise, why would we have sex? Why would it be pleasurable? It all points to gettin' that sperm to that egg, getting it working, and then, as a lot of guys commonly do, falling asleep. His job is done. He's just expressed his meaning of life. So where does homosexuality fit in? Why does it exist at all? The fact is, it doesn't. What's natural, too often gets confused with what's normal. Well, there is no normal. For a picture of normal, you'd have to add up every trait of every living, nonliving, and yet-to-be-living person on this planet and divide it by the number to get the average person. Sorry no normal. But we do have a general picture of nature. Nature cannot produce offspring between two males. Nature cannot impregnate a female using implanted sperm from a male. Sure we (as humans) can, but that's my point. Why does homosexuality exist at all? Because we made it. I'm positive it wasn't intentional, but we, as higher brain functioning organisms, caused it. Now you might say, but wait Dave, there are gay animals too. What about them? Yes, though significantly rare, it does happen. But what you have to remember are two things: the presence of brain function, and early growth nurturing. What I mean is, these animals have brains (albeit less complicated brains) and they are taught the ropes by parental figures at birth. All animals (including us) are hardwired (some before and) after birth. So there is always potential for causal factors leading to homosexuality. The difference is, animals don't have as much brain to work with or destroy by means of alcohol. They may seem stupid from our perspective, but that's only because they lack certain higher brain functions, that we (let's face it) tend to stumble over anyway. Which brings me back to choice. If we spend our lives hating the name we were given at birth, down the road we are able to change it. This makes sense, because the parents of the child they are naming rarely know a thing about the child or who they will be. It's a guess on their part. Look at the comic strip Jump Start. There's a child on there whose parents named him Doctor Appleby. They must have assumed this would motivate him to become a doctor. Imagine being raised as if a your life choices have been already made for you! Now imagine that this has happened to a real little boy or girl. Unfortunately, I'm sure it already has. Especially if people are naming their kids after cars and months. So somewhere down the road, he realizes that he doesn't give a crap about being a doctor. His passion in life is the study of architecture. His parents have made a false assumption, based on their own desires for their son to make money, or follow in their footsteps. But the fact remains that they labeled him. They made a choice for him. Regardless of their desires, this choice was inappropriate. I'm sorry if it seems that I've brought you out on a tangent, but the point I'm trying to make is choice and a lack of choice. I am so glad that people are finally able to choose for themselves who they are. Thanks to unlimited genetic diversity, chaos, and free will, there will never be two identical people. Children will follow in their parents footsteps or make lots of money, if they choose to. You can choose to be gay or straight. It all depends on making a choice for yourself. You are the one living your life and living with your desires and decisions. Regardless if people pick on you or put the pressure on, they are just a snippet of time in your life. They are not the ones who make your choices or have to live with them. That's my fifteen dollars and two cents. Flame me if you like, but please put some thought into it, and please read my entire letter. It was not meant to offend anyone. I'm not judging gays for their life choice, or poking fun at them. I have friends who are gay, and I respect their choice. I've simply stated my analysis of this issue. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 21:10:35 -0400 From: life in the so-called space age Subject: Re: Frigging NPR, NPR, NPR... Debaters, and flamers, etc. On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 20:02:30 EDT, davey08@aol.com wrote: > > This is great stuff, people. I'm glad to see we're all still talking to each > other. I just wish there was more intelligence, though. Do some friggin > research people! I have yet to hear about the gays and lesbians who have chosen to > be straight. Yes, they chose. We can choose. Now, don't get me wrong, I think snip > my analysis of this issue. > > Dave so if its just a choice like you claim, have you tried being gay for a while? why or why not? - -- did you change the world or your point of view? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:28:51 EDT From: Rml530@aol.com Subject: Re: Frigging NPR, NPR, NPR... Debaters, and flamers, etc. In a message dated 7/16/04 9:17:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lifeinthesocalledspaceage@gmail.com writes: > angry-psychos@smoe.org > Maybe he doesn't want to get shit on his dick. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V9 #100 ***********************************