From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V9 #99 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Friday, July 16 2004 Volume 09 : Number 099 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: deeply saddened [life in the so-called space age ] Re: deeply saddened ["Brian Edwards" ] Re: deeply saddened ["FireOfMars" ] Re: my dick [jadeshamrock@comcast.net] Re: [NPR] deeply saddened [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: [NPR] deeply saddened [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: same-sex marriage ban fails in senate... [jadeshamrock@comcast.n] Re: deeply saddened [jadeshamrock@comcast.net] Re: deeply saddened [jadeshamrock@comcast.net] NPR Re: deeply saddened [jadeshamrock@comcast.net] Re: [NPR] deeply saddened [jadeshamrock@comcast.net] Re: Re: deeply saddened [] Re: deeply saddened ["DesertOpal" ] RE: my dick ["Lynch, Shauna" ] [none] ["DesertOpal" ] RE: Enjoying these debates? ["Joe Cross" ] Re: npr Rml's uber-stupidity [Spidersrcute2@aol.com] enough with the pissing contest already... [RachCooks@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:31:49 -0400 From: life in the so-called space age Subject: Re: deeply saddened do you make fun of jews too? because religion is a choice On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:57:11 EDT, rml530@aol.com wrote: > > Alot of that stuff you wrote has more to do with yourself rather than > anything I wrote. You think I am ignorant? Let me tell you what ignorance is. > Ignorance is thinking that everyone is going to get along. It is also thinking > that those who participate in deviant behavior are not going to be made fun of. > They are. That is not ignorance, but rather reality. If you have issues > from your high school days, go see a therapist, and quit projecting the faces of > those who tormented you on me. > - -- did you change the world or your point of view? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:07:10 EDT From: RachCooks@aol.com Subject: NPR: IGNORANCE ig7no7rance (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http://dictionary.ref erence.com/search?q=ignorance) ( P ) _Pronunciation Key_ (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html) (gnr-ns) n. The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed. And I would say there is a lot of ignorance around here. Rachel In a message dated 7/15/2004 12:33:25 AM Central Daylight Time, lifeinthesocalledspaceage@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 00:57:11 EDT, rml530@aol.com wrote: > > Alot of that stuff you wrote has more to do with yourself rather than > anything I wrote. You think I am ignorant? Let me tell you what ignorance is. > Ignorance is thinking that everyone is going to get along. It is also thinking > that those who participate in deviant behavior are not going to be made fun of. > They are. That is not ignorance, but rather reality. If you have issues > from your high school days, go see a therapist, and quit projecting the faces of > those who tormented you on me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:41:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jim Hutchins" Subject: Re: [NPR] deeply saddened Well, I'm a neuroscientist and you're not. All the currently available scientific evidence indicates (but does not prove) that homosexual behavior has a strong genetic component. That is, the brain cells of homosexual males and females are "wired" differently than their heterosexual counterparts, probably from birth. There is also an interaction between genetics and environment that is significant. You can't ignore either component in favor of a purely environmental explanation, as you are trying to do. Having said that, it's important to note that this work is far from complete. Almost all such lines of inquiry have been stifled by the anti-science attitudes of the George W. Bush administration. (For example, his "science advisor" is not even a scientist and has not, to my knowledge, met face-to-face with the President once.) So, if you *really* want to know whether gays are "born" or whether it's a "choice", as you say, you'll work hard for a new administration. I know I can count on you. If, on the other hand, you prefer to ignore scientific facts in favor of an approach that only accepts those ideas that fit within your pre-existing mindset, then you should be comfortable with the current situation. While I have this forum, I'd also like to point out that I'm sorry you took offense that I corrected your lousy grammar and spelling. My main point (to which you did not respond) was that many heterosexual married men, including myself, engage in cunnilingus. My reading of the 14th Amendment says that if I engage in a behavior, and it's legal for me, then it is legal for all other adult citizens of the United States. If Congress, following your lead, chooses to completely outlaw cunnilingus as some sort of "crime" against what you incorrectly call "nature", then so be it. I'm going to jail. Your posts indicate you know nothing of the natural world, so I'm inclined to think little of your arguments. > > If people are tired of being picked on because they are gay, then they > should > stop being gay. It's a lifestyle CHOICE, not the same thing as blacks > being > discriminated agains because blacks are born black. They didn't choice to > be > black. It just happended that way. > > BTW, did you know that whites are being discriminated against nowadays? > Yep. > It's considered evil to take pride in white history, but black history > has > it's own fucking month. > - -- Jim Hutchins agile1@netdoor.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:36:02 +0000 From: "Brian Edwards" Subject: Re: deeply saddened Why on Earth would people CHOSE to be something that gets them hated, beaten up, laughed at and ostracized for? Many people are obviously gay as children. Are you saying they chose to be gay then? Ask any gay person and they'll tell you they were a) in denial about it for years. Many go on to have girlfriends and even wives until they come to terms with what they reall want and b) would have given anything NOT to be gay when they first relzied. Accepting themselves as who they really are is one of the biggest accomplishments and most difficult things ANY person can overcome in the face of such adversity from society. Being straight is the easier thing by far. Saying someone would chose this life is beyond ignorant. - -B. >From: Rml530@aol.com >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: deeply saddened >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:19:03 EDT > > >People choose to be gay. It's a mental illness. Not something to be >respected, but rather pitied. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 06:42:48 -0600 From: "FireOfMars" Subject: Re: deeply saddened Wow. That's amazing. I usually don't speak up, but I have to say you /are/ narrow-minded and misled (not just my opinion). Maybe instead of just accepting what mommy and daddy tell you (besides that whole golden rule), you should get your information and the support for that information strait. Look up brain structure and how it differs between homosexuals and heterosexuals, or different hormone imbalances, etc. You may call it a mental illness in that way... but you should consider that the same thing as making fun of mentally handicapped people born with speech impediments, etc. That's /great/ you think mental illnesses should be pitied to the point of taking away rights you yourself have as a capable (?) brain-functioning individual. If you're so passionate about proving how homosexuals are mentally ill, why don't you go into science and prove it to yourself so you can finally have an actual argument. People don't make science up, hun... and nothing gets published without quite a basis in it. Scientific journals aren't just codwallap - it isn't just a hypothesis thrown around and lightly supported. I'm APALLED that people still think this way in this day and age, and no matter how much we say about it, it's hard to convince some people. My dad is okay with gay people, but over my young years I haven't been able to prove to his mindset that this isn't a choice and there actually /is/ basis. If you'd rather have people continue to deny their actual feelings and lifestyle and continue living on as steak-eating, sports-watching testosterone machines, fine... but some of us prefer that there are some people willing to not conform just on the basis that they'll get discriminated against if they don't. Being gay is NOT a choice. A lesbian friend of mine was asked this question directly, and she stated without hesitation she would CHOOSE to be strait, if she /had/ a choice in the matter. Why would anyone WANT to have that kind of discrimination and exposure? For some states and areas, being gay is a death wish... but the point is, you can't help it. Wishing I /could/ shed light on the issue, Dayl > > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 01:19:03 EDT > From: Rml530@aol.com > Subject: Re: deeply saddened > > People choose to be gay. It's a mental illness. Not something to be > respected, but rather pitied. > > ------------------------------ > > End of angry-psychos-digest V9 #98 > ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:55:35 +0000 From: jadeshamrock@comcast.net Subject: Re: my dick Hmm...the picture was removed from the e-mail I saw, maybe we should follow suite and remove the object from the man who sent it? >=) - -- ~D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:01:21 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: [NPR] deeply saddened In a message dated 7/15/2004 8:44:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, agile1@netdoor.com writes: So, if you *really* want to know whether gays are "born" or whether it's a "choice", >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think both instances occur. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:03:13 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: [NPR] deeply saddened In a message dated 7/15/2004 8:44:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, agile1@netdoor.com writes: If Congress, following your lead, chooses to completely outlaw cunnilingus as some sort of "crime" against what you incorrectly call "nature", >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They better get rid of all cats then too, since they love to lick it before they hump it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:30:30 +0000 From: jadeshamrock@comcast.net Subject: Re: NPR: same-sex marriage ban fails in senate... Well it's both. It's a legal agreement when it falls between man and woman, but throw same-sex unions in there and then it becomes about morals and ethics (two words I find dirtied whenever Bush uses them). The joining of two people in marriage is suppossed to be about love and commitment, but that comes down to the individuals involved. Outside of that, yeah, it's basically a legal agreement. Legal marriage is in no way indicative of morals, ethics or how much somebody loves their spouse. I think what the far Right is trying to make us believe is that giving same-sex couples the same legal rights through marriage is "corrupting the sanctity of the institution of marriage" and therefore is an enemy to the "American Way" (yes, that's hypocritical as the American Way = Freedom). Give me a break! Hetero couples have been "defiling the sanctity of marriage" for centuries. The "sanctity of marriage" is, like most things, subjective. What this is about is forcing one side's subjective morals on others. I love it when I hear people say: "This country was founded as a Christian country. Don't like it? Leave!" While that may be true this country also was formed to provide for freedom of religion, among other freedoms. By freedom of religions it also means freedom to have different philosophical views without fear of being executed, maligned, discriminated against. This amendment would have been gross discrimination. The argument that "America is a Christian country" not only is weak but also assumes that those ideals and beliefs MUST be pushed on to others (at least if you want to have equal time on the playground). Gee, how *doesn't* that go against true freedom? Separation of Church and State is a myth. Gay marriage (by which I mean Gay and Lesbian) isn't going to hurt anyone or bring this country down to it's knees. Unless you're a fundie..in which case you're probably praying to be spared the "inevitable" destruction of the present day Sodom, but I digress. I find it very telling that people are putting so much focus on this issue as oppossed to the *real* moral issues in America, such as girls receiving breast implants for their high school graduation. Good to see our old friend indoctrination is alive and well. As far as common law marriage, I don't know the particulars, but I think it's been done away with in my State. Anyway, this is my long winded response to this topic as well as trying to answer some of your questions, Jarrod! *stepping off soapbox* P.S. I can always tell when the shit has hit the fan here as my inbox goes from 2-3 e-mails a day to 20-30! >=)~ - -- ~D - -------------- Original message -------------- > > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Efforts to pass a constitutional amendment banning > same-sex marriage foundered Wednesday afternoon in the Senate when the > proposal failed to garner enough votes to stay alive. > > After final arguments by the leaders of each party, the Republicans > mustered 48 votes, 12 short of the 60 they needed to overcome a procedural > hurdle and move the proposed amendment to the floor. > > "In 217 years, we've only amended that sacred document 17 times," said > Sen. Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota before the vote. "There have been 11,000 > separate attempts." > > There is no urgent need to amend the Constitution now, he said. > > But Sen. Bill Frist disagreed. "It has become clear to legal scholars > ... that same-sex marriage will be exported to all 50 states," said the > majority leader, from Tennessee. > > *** > The whole piece is an intersting read... If you are interested. > > http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/14/samesex.marriage/index.html > > *** > Help me out here... > > Isn't marriage just a legal agreement? Not on philohophy and the > "meaning" of marriage, but on fact. "Getting married" gives you legal > rights that you would not have if you were not "married." It's not that > you are any LESS in love of care LESS about your family / partner. > > What about "common-law marriage?" If you live together for 9 years (in > most states), is it not a marriage? Legal rights and all? Or do you have > to go and sign a paper that says you have lived together for 9 years? > > -- Legal Eagles - Help me out... > > *** > > Yes marriage was set up by the church. > Yes marriage is backed by law. > Yes we are a hypocratic society. > Yes we are a representative gov't and not a true democracy. > Yes I need to get bact to work. > > > JK/// > Jarrod ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:38:11 +0000 From: jadeshamrock@comcast.net Subject: Re: deeply saddened How is homosexuality not morally correct? Which set of moral standards are we using? Is it morally correct to enforce subjective morals on others, thereby alienating them? I'm not saying you personally have to agree with homosexuality, if you do or don't I respect your belief either way. I just don't think that we should be making amendments and laws that are based on morals that not everybody shares. True freedom allows for different subjective morals, within reason, of course. I think that homosexuality should be the least of people's moral concerns these days. - -- ~D - -------------- Original message -------------- > > I agree with alex here. THe constitution was created with the intent > that it be adaptable. Also, the gay marraige issue is an issue of > morality and standard, which is what this country is based on, and > frankly homosexuality is not morally correct. Basically, you are all > entitled to your own opinions, but if you are going to try to convince me > to think likewise, at least have sound, plausible arguements. > > -Camronl > > >From: Alex > > >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: deeply saddened >Date: Tue, 13 > Jul 2004 14:23:23 -0700 (PDT) > > >No the constitution HASNT been fine > since 1776. We >have been making amendments to it since it was drawn > >up. Ever hear of our "first amendment" rights? It >looks like the last > time it was amended was 1992; >check it out. > > >http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html > >One of the things that > makes the constitution great is >the fact that it has this built in > adaptability. This >way we don't have to stage a revolution every time > we >need a law change. > >-Alex > > > things will change, back in the > civil war day, > > african americans votes were > > counted as only 3/5 > of a caucasian vote, now that > > has changed. unfortunately, > > it'll > problably take us another 100 years till we > > realize how stupid we're > > > being, I mean. AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION!!! > > changing a document > that has > > been fine since 1776 just blows me away. I'm > > bisexual, > so I really am > > offended by how stupid our educated people are. I'm > > > for equal rights, and I'm > > from pennsylvania. isn't it ironic? > > > > > >===== >-The views and or advertisements to follow are not > necessarily those of the sender.... > >. > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved > Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:51:40 +0000 From: jadeshamrock@comcast.net Subject: Re: deeply saddened Really? It's all a choice? I've not heard convincing arguments that it's a choice or something someone is born with, though I certainly can allow for both to be true. The point is people have the freedom of choice. This issue isn't about gay people being tired of being picked on, though decency and respect is something we are ALL entitled to, unless we make ourselves unworthy of that by behaving poorly. In short, your argument that people who make a choice to be a certain way are just opening themselves up to be picked on and they should have to change they way they are is grossly ignorant. How about the people who feel the need to "pick" on them changing the way they are. They are the one's with the problem. You don't have to agree with something or even like it to tolerate it, but going out of your way to discriminate against it wrong. And by the way, no homosexuality discrimination isn't the same as racial discrimination (which, by the way you seemed to defend and attack in the same e-mail) but it's still DISCRIMINATION! Please try to respond intelligently, if you're able. - -- ~D - -------------- Original message -------------- > > If people are tired of being picked on because they are gay, then they should > stop being gay. It's a lifestyle CHOICE, not the same thing as blacks being > discriminated agains because blacks are born black. They didn't choice to be > black. It just happended that way. > > BTW, did you know that whites are being discriminated against nowadays? Yep. > It's considered evil to take pride in white history, but black history has > it's own fucking month. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:05:32 +0000 From: jadeshamrock@comcast.net Subject: NPR Re: deeply saddened Who can tell I'm bored at work? It would be easier to respect what you were saying if you didn't come across so hateful and ignorant. You're obviously here to start shit. Don't start something you can't finish. And by the by, it's not about thinking everybody should get along, it's about equal rights and protection under the law. You (as in the general sense) don't like gays, fine, dislike them all you want, I don't care. But the minute you start verbally harassing them, physically assaulting them, or in any other way start discriminating against them you've crossed the line. What we're talking about here is granting them the same protection and rights that we all share and fighting any discriminatory legislation which paves the way for further discrimination and denial of basic rights. I suppose your the kind of person who would could have been found holding a pickett sign and Matthew Shepard's funeral. - -- ~D - -------------- Original message -------------- > > Alot of that stuff you wrote has more to do with yourself rather than > anything I wrote. You think I am ignorant? Let me tell you what ignorance is. > Ignorance is thinking that everyone is going to get along. It is also thinking > that those who participate in deviant behavior are not going to be made fun of. > They are. That is not ignorance, but rather reality. If you have issues > from your high school days, go see a therapist, and quit projecting the faces of > those who tormented you on me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:09:21 +0000 From: jadeshamrock@comcast.net Subject: Re: [NPR] deeply saddened Well said! It sounds like somebody's uncle is a monkey *grin*. What other things need to be researched that would bolster these findings? Thanks for sharing this from an educated and scientific side, as oppossed to a purely emotional one. =) - -- ~D - -------------- Original message -------------- > > Well, I'm a neuroscientist and you're not. > > All the currently available scientific evidence indicates (but does not > prove) that homosexual behavior has a strong genetic component. That is, > the brain cells of homosexual males and females are "wired" differently > than their heterosexual counterparts, probably from birth. There is also > an interaction between genetics and environment that is significant. You > can't ignore either component in favor of a purely environmental > explanation, as you are trying to do. > > Having said that, it's important to note that this work is far from > complete. Almost all such lines of inquiry have been stifled by the > anti-science attitudes of the George W. Bush administration. (For > example, his "science advisor" is not even a scientist and has not, to my > knowledge, met face-to-face with the President once.) > > So, if you *really* want to know whether gays are "born" or whether it's a > "choice", as you say, you'll work hard for a new administration. I know I > can count on you. > > If, on the other hand, you prefer to ignore scientific facts in favor of > an approach that only accepts those ideas that fit within your > pre-existing mindset, then you should be comfortable with the current > situation. > > While I have this forum, I'd also like to point out that I'm sorry you > took offense that I corrected your lousy grammar and spelling. My main > point (to which you did not respond) was that many heterosexual married > men, including myself, engage in cunnilingus. My reading of the 14th > Amendment says that if I engage in a behavior, and it's legal for me, then > it is legal for all other adult citizens of the United States. If > Congress, following your lead, chooses to completely outlaw cunnilingus as > some sort of "crime" against what you incorrectly call "nature", then so > be it. I'm going to jail. > > Your posts indicate you know nothing of the natural world, so I'm inclined > to think little of your arguments. > > > > > > If people are tired of being picked on because they are gay, then they > > should > > stop being gay. It's a lifestyle CHOICE, not the same thing as blacks > > being > > discriminated agains because blacks are born black. They didn't choice to > > be > > black. It just happended that way. > > > > BTW, did you know that whites are being discriminated against nowadays? > > Yep. > > It's considered evil to take pride in white history, but black history > > has > > it's own fucking month. > > > > > -- > Jim Hutchins > agile1@netdoor.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:21:52 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re: deeply saddened Hmmm last time I heard someone say something this dumb was a wack job brain washed born again who decided to stop at my house because he heard Marilyn Manson playing and wanted to save me. He was an clueless idiot just like you. If someone is Gay it is because they are Gay not because they just feel like being gay or have some sickness. You aren't going to walk down the street and become infected with the "gay virus". You are pathetic! > > People choose to be gay. It's a mental illness. Not something to be > respected, but rather pitied. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:09:15 -0400 From: "DesertOpal" Subject: Re: deeply saddened Morals, what are morals exactally? Hmm a set of strictures believed by society to be acceptable? Who decides what is moralistic and what isn't? Each person individually or society as a whole? I dont know how many years ago (god forbid I put an incorrect date) it was considered immoral for women to wear pants, show their ankles or make eye contact with a member of the opposite sex. But what is morally acceptable has changed since then. Now in the middle eastern countries it is still considered immoral for women to show their faces or any other part of their bodies except for their eyes. HMMM...makes you wonder...morals seem to be flexible based on religion, location, ect. So what is immoral to you may not be to me. Therefore is it immoral after all? Or is it not? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "camron lee" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:05 PM Subject: Re: deeply saddened > > I agree with alex here. THe constitution was created with the intent > that it be adaptable. Also, the gay marraige issue is an issue of > morality and standard, which is what this country is based on, and > frankly homosexuality is not morally correct. Basically, you are all > entitled to your own opinions, but if you are going to try to convince me > to think likewise, at least have sound, plausible arguements. > > -Camronl > > >From: Alex > > >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: deeply saddened >Date: Tue, 13 > Jul 2004 14:23:23 -0700 (PDT) > > >No the constitution HASNT been fine > since 1776. We >have been making amendments to it since it was drawn > >up. Ever hear of our "first amendment" rights? It >looks like the last > time it was amended was 1992; >check it out. > > >http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html > >One of the things that > makes the constitution great is >the fact that it has this built in > adaptability. This >way we don't have to stage a revolution every time > we >need a law change. > >-Alex > > > things will change, back in the > civil war day, > > african americans votes were > > counted as only 3/5 > of a caucasian vote, now that > > has changed. unfortunately, > > it'll > problably take us another 100 years till we > > realize how stupid we're > > > being, I mean. AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION!!! > > changing a document > that has > > been fine since 1776 just blows me away. I'm > > bisexual, > so I really am > > offended by how stupid our educated people are. I'm > > > for equal rights, and I'm > > from pennsylvania. isn't it ironic? > > > > > >===== >-The views and or advertisements to follow are not > necessarily those of the sender.... > >. > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved > Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:38:40 -0400 From: "Lynch, Shauna" Subject: RE: my dick seriously, change the subject of these emails. - -----Original Message----- From: jadeshamrock@comcast.net [mailto:jadeshamrock@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:56 AM To: Angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: my dick Hmm...the picture was removed from the e-mail I saw, maybe we should follow suite and remove the object from the man who sent it? >=) - -- ~D 
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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:45:06 -0400 From: "DesertOpal" Subject: [none] I am sooooooooo enjoying these debates. lol. If I were more eloquent and could express myself better I would take more of a part, but I get frustrated and all that comes out is gobbledygook. Suffice it to say that I think the person with the short oneliner emails is trying to get ya'll started...I wonder if he/she really even holds the opinion he/she stated or if he/she is just some idiot wanting to see if he can light a fire up under your arses. Tee-Hee...nontheless I am enjoying reading your posts all..Some of you are truly educated and well spoken individuals and I take pleasure from reading your opinions. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:10:48 -0500 From: "Joe Cross" Subject: RE: Enjoying these debates? I, on the other hand, am not. Sorry, but I joined this group for Poe discussions, not all this other crap. Go find a newsgroup where it's on topic! > I am sooooooooo enjoying these debates. lol. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:07:46 EDT From: Spidersrcute2@aol.com Subject: Re: npr Rml's uber-stupidity Obviously you haven't got a brain in that head of yours. Do you really think people "choose" to be gay? You imbecile. Being gay is like being born, it just happens. There is no choosing what your heart says it must have, no matter what your mind or the popular opinion states. Why do you think so many people get gender changes? It's because of stupid friggin' people like you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 00:53:26 EDT From: RachCooks@aol.com Subject: enough with the pissing contest already... Please notice the lack of a "npr" in the subject line, as I'm going to make a move in getting the hate (which I had a part in perpetuating) out of here. The "my opinion is better than yours" and "I know more than you" and "i'm right, you're wrong, fuck you" shit has gotten OLD. So, I'm going to talk about Poe. *gasp* Poe's music has had an enormous influence on my life. I have a Poe song for every moment -- whether it be happy, sad, mad, glad, etc.. I recently spent some time in rehab, and Poe's music has been rehab for my soul while my mind and body detox and sober up. Haunted was the only CD I listened to while I was in treatment, and I used various lyrics for inspiration on art therapy projects. I've never connected to a musical artist on the same level as I have with Poe, and quite frankly, getting to know her through her music has been an honor. So yes, I look forward to forthcoming albums and tours. And in the meantime, I'm getting my friends addicted to the musical goddess as well. It's kind of nice that they know how much Poe's music means to me because if they see/hear ANYTHING Poe related, it gets back to me. I have like a Poe posse to keep me updated on anything I may miss -- which isn't much. And now I ask you, what does Poe mean to you? <3 Rachel ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V9 #99 **********************************