From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V8 #209 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, September 28 2003 Volume 08 : Number 209 Today's Subjects: ----------------- sorta PR.. [Kyron2046@aol.com] NPR: the BBS getting fixed and NPR [Sharonda220@aol.com] Re: sorta PR.. [Mike Vaughn ] i need help, NPR ["Wes* J." ] NPR: Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #208 [Andrea Horvath ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 05:52:25 EDT From: Kyron2046@aol.com Subject: sorta PR.. I'm a member of two great communities... the ap's since I was 18 and over teh last three yeasr teh Peacemakers (azpeacemakers.com) both phenominal music... While the peacemakers are more underground and activists. I think that AP's and Peacemakers support many of the same ideals. I never write here I focus most of my time on the peacemakers because I cna see them all teh time they are from teh southwest adn play AZ a LOT... but my heart has always been with Poe and with those who share a lvoe for her music. Music is a healer in these dark times.. for those who do not know the peavemerks their singer was the leadsinger from The Refreshments... how is this PR? Because I think that Music matters... all music supports some significance to someone even if its' the lonely kid in highschool who plays to him/herself. There are a lot more Flame wars here (peacemakers go figure) but all that shows is a definative unique nature to those who listen and are effected by the music. Roger clyne once said that while a guitar cant' stop a buldozer it can make a dent... (refernce to teh eating up of arizona's free land to build ugly tract housing.) again you ask how this is poe related, all iv'e spoken of is this other band... Tonight I sit alone thinking... tomarrow we pull teh plug on teh only sister I've ever known... at 26 she will leave behind a 5 year old and legacy of strength as she has struggled with cancer from 16 every year getting told that she had three months or so.. and every three months taking 3 more.. So it was that driving into teh desert I turned off the peacemakers and slid in Hello. The band version... parked out past teh outlands in places no one ever goes I cranked my radio up to bursting and let is flow over me... teh power of that song that version in particular... He voice flowing through my body teh car adn resonating off teh cliffs around me... Poe's voice became a Physical thing... her power almost a physical manifestation of teh pain I felt... and I sat there broken and crying, the CD played Fly away... When I was 18 I madea vidio to fly away and had it played at my highschool graduation... hadn't heard the songs since because in making the video I had to listne to it about a million times... Poe has one unique characteristic that sets her appart... She creates MUSIC... when you see her on TV or in interviews she never seem quite comfortable... true musicians Dont' play well for others... those are entertainers... and while their music is good it lacks the depth... She creates art... not entertainment.. oh the art can be entertaining... but that's not it's purpose... I think that she can do great thigns and will given teh opportunity... her best has not yet come... and we all sit in wonder waiting. Among peacemakers there is a Custom... whenever we go out and celibrate or party or whatever, we raise a glass to Life... Tomarrow I raise one for the life of my sister... and that which she leaves behind... but in my heart are you, the AP's and Poe... my first home among the internet my first inspiration and my greatest hope for better things through teh power of music... Play on and may we all be blessed enough to hear it, adn be there to see you get that which you deserve most... To life, and getting back to smaller and better things. - -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:39:10 -0400 From: Sharonda220@aol.com Subject: NPR: the BBS getting fixed and NPR This is a great time to remind everyone to use NPR for NON POE RELATED posts.... spud I don't think you are an asshole or anything, its completely understandable...however you did not NPR your message's subject. Which means that people who set up their e-mail to delete any Non Poe Related e-mails got yours anyway. And yay for dan, even though he posted a reply he added NPR. I don't screen for NPR because I am guilty of posting stupid non poe related material. But... I always put it in the subject....if you don't want it fine ...but don't add to the problem. :-o Shari (where's the smiley face for someone who is tired and needs to go back to bed????) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:12:40 -0700 From: Mike Vaughn Subject: Re: sorta PR.. > Music is a healer in these dark times.. "Dark times?" Heck, everything seems just fine especially when you read this: http://www.theonion.com/onion3701/bush_nightmare.html ;-> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:09:00 -0400 From: "Wes* J." Subject: i need help, NPR yes, i am just a stupid highschooler, without a job, without a car, without a life, a "stupid little kid" to most of you, but i just feel the need to tell my story to someone. In the next week or so, i am going into the office to talk to the principal. I will be called there, not going on my own will. oh no. My friend Maggie told her mum about the shit that i get at school. her mum didn't like it at all. she told the principal. maybe i should backtrack a little. Since second grade i have been tormented, "teased" and "bullies," emotionally abused, scarred by my peers. I get called "queer," the "F--" word, i get asked if i am gay, if i like it in the butt, i am forced to change in the bathroom instead of the locker room with the rest of the guys. I thought it was bad when i was younger, but it just gets worse as i grow older. Everyday the same thing, but at the same time, everyday it got worse. For a little while it stopped, but only for about half a year. I thought it was over. It was about sixth grade that i actually realized that i am gay, but i still denied it, still "dated" girls in my grade, though i wasn't interested in them at all. I go to school in seventh grade and it gets worse. I haven't told anyone, but it is much much worse. The kids that i have never had to talk to or put up with were bothering me now. More people than ever at that time. I attempted suicide ...god knows how many times. finally i came out to one good friend. then another, then another. so far so good. then i told my "best" friend, and she told the entire school. by then it was eighth grade. So, everyone knew. Even more torture. Still, i look for help, but none is given. since the beginning, my mum has stood by me, been there thick and thin. She went into the school probably every other week until i just stopped telling her about what happened. I was in the office everyday none the less, crying to the principal, "why won't it stop? why me?" she did nothing. so i learned that principals can do nothing, mainly because punishment is not what is needed. Tolerance and acceptance has to be gaines, thus being the reason that i just went on with my life accepting the fact that no one liked me. so here i am, a sophomore in high school, and i am practically fearing for my life everyday that i get off the bus to enter the school. Hell, even on the bus. I don't know what to say to the principal though. i was to just...cry and tell him everything, but at the same time i want to kick the shit out of him for not doing anything. he is around when it happens. it happens in the hall, the quad, the lunchroom, the classroom, everywhere. I want to also punish those who do it, but a simple "talking to" will not do. i want to say "i want a promise that if i give names that you will suspend them first thing" but...i don't know if that will do anyting either. but i am not just doing this for me, i am doing it for every gay, lesbian, bisexual student AND teacher in the school. But i just don't know. I guess for now i am just ..sitting back and thinking. taking every inch of it in. I don't know what to do. thank you all for listening. love you all! wes POE, i love you Wes* "Through dangers un-told, and hardships un-numbered......" -From the movie Labyrinth _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:00:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrea Horvath Subject: NPR: Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #208 I was not personally impacted in any way by the origional post, but I do think that it's pretty sad to say that APs can't post about their personal lives on this list. Just because not everyone is going to react with sympathy or empathy, doesn't mean there are not a few people who can relate. Maybe having that conformation (like a freindly email from Poe herself) will make that person's day a little better. I don't know, it doesn't seem like there is much restriction about the subject of posts on this list, as long as you put NPR in the header. If you're only interested in PR material don't read the NPR posts, just skip it and delete it. I for one would like to see this list stay open to hearing about people's personal lives. I'm sure it doesn't help someone who's having a rough time to be trashed for posting about it. At least for me, Poe's music is about working through hard times, healing, and comming out ok in the end. If we can't talk about that stuff on this list then why the hell are we here? Anyways, that's just my 2 cents worth. ~Dre __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:02:49 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: why the BBS needs to be fixed soon Maybe me its just me... but I didn't hear Poe bitching about the original post not having NPR in it... In fact Poe responded to the post... Again, maybe it's just me, but if Poe responds to a post, doesn't that make it Poe related? Even if it was a private response.... If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to hear it does it make a sound..... And again, I regret that I did not respond to the original post, but am so paranoid of list politics that that the subject line made me zoom right by the post.... What is it... We sense that Poe is about to lay some new music on us, and it is like the starting gun for the meltdown to begin? I wish everybody well with their REAL problems... sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org .... ******************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:39:22 EDT From: Kyron2046@aol.com Subject: Re: i need help, NPR No one thinks that's funny man... no one thinks your'e a stupid kid because if so we were all yoru age once man, even if a few of us have forgotten... When i was 17 I told an entire youthcamp i was gay just to shock them and force them to deal with teh reality that gay isnt' evil and it isnt' somethign that people can "just tell" of course I am not gay but nore would I be ashamed if I was. not everyone will accept you but as you get older teh world is changing. Peopel becoem more accepting adn they start to realize that you are just you... that your sexuality does nto define you anymore than the color of yoru skin.. if i couldn only get teh rest of ignorent mainstream america to beleive that then we'd all be good. I was born with a genetic disorder that made me lok very strange it's called Ehlers Danlose Syndrom... if you ever see Ripleys Beleive it or not, it's teh one where teh guy can pull shi skin WAY out from his body... I made friends by performing tricks and really never realized it but for a long time I didnt' haev real friends... i knwo what it's liek to be made fun of, and I think deep down most peopel do because everyone has at one point been the new kid the outsider, teh Black kid, the White kid, the mexican, the indian whatever man... in our own littel ways we've all been there... I've tried to kill myself only once and it was more of a trail of faith, I took several thousand MG of Vicadin while drinkin Sky Vodka. i todl God that it was in his hands now... Luky for me EDS kids have a REALLY high tollerance for drugs and booze because we're on pretty much the nastiest pain killers on earth from very young... so I lived and so have you... for a reason... Lets be honest neither of us WANT to die.. if we did I own a gun and you could get one easily... Americano after all right? We needed to feel liek we had reacehd teh end... and wwe had.. we'd reached Rock bottom.. it hurts when ya hit it.. but there is no firmer ground from which to spring from yourself... the things you build for yourself will be stronger for your journey man... Do not become Jaded, ignorence is somethign that all of us have to deal with... Here in AZ i got a friend tellin me he's not racist but he would shoot holes in teh water barels left in teh desert so those dman illegal Immigrants would die so they'd stop comming... peopel are ignorent man... its' jsut the way it is... they'll always poke at you and prod and throw stuff... jsut find stronger friends and a good community and you'll be alright.. my em-mail is here as well.. ya need a friend man I'm right here... a button away.. It's a common illusion that we have to fight and that if we make it on our own that we are strong.. this is a lie created by anti-social weaklings that feel the paranoid need to not owe anyone anything... truth is man we're all in this together... Take my hand I'll pick ya up everytime... I'm not offended by you or afraid of you. because I know that if we DON'T start taking care of one another this world is headed for an implosion... it's one hand but if ya tek it someday it will be many because it starts as one then becomes two... soon you've built an army of faith, if not in one thign than in one idea.. that we need each other and that it's ok to need each other... No one truely makes it alone... So no.. I don't think you're stupid kid, I think you're a young person going through a unique and ruff time... i don't care if your so gay you wear a dress and watch riverdance 12 hours a day... I'm irish i like river dance and if ya look good in a dress go for it! dont' be afraid to laugh at yourself and your enemies thoguh.. ebcuase when ya lose the humor you internalize things... WOW! I'm babling on and on... DAMN! Ok I'll let ya'll go... just be cool man... we're here for ya... if someone on this list Flames ya for it, rememebr that one person does not represent us all... Take care man... - -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 23:28:18 +0000 From: "Allie T" Subject: a bit of support for Wes NPR hej Im usually a lurker on this list but i felt the need to give support out to Wes. Kyron was right everyone has been made fun of at one point or another. I know that doesnt make it any easier but try to hang on the best thing you can do if ifnd one or two friends real friends who will stick by you no matter what . Then nothing else matters. I was made fun of in Hs and in Elementary school, but it does end. sometimes the pain stays but it will get better. I have my faith and i have friends so i no longer care what ppl think of me no matter where i go. I dont know if this will help at all but just wanted to let ya know im praying for you and some ppl do NOT believe in standing by and letting injustce happen. Use music and wirting to heal and know you can count on us Allie _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V8 #209 ***********************************