From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V8 #156 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, July 16 2003 Volume 08 : Number 156 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Prostitution [StphLadd@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #151 [PURPLMOJO@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #151 [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR new psycho [Miki Proud ] Introductions [J L ] Re: NPR new psycho [KrodKnid@aol.com] Poe "how long" sos ["nata lie" ] npr: ho-bagging ["nata lie" ] Re: npr: ho-bagging ["kelli Jo" ] Re: npr: ho-bagging [J L ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:36:40 EDT From: StphLadd@aol.com Subject: Re: Prostitution Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrea Horvath Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #151 You go Poe! That was clever, did anyone else catch that? She switched the focus of the flame war from HER to a debate over legalized prostitiution. More proof of her astounding intelligence and the blindness of lame online conflicts. ~Dre No, she switched the focus from her and never really answered anything. Whatever. People see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe. Stephanie "Reach out and touch faith." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 22:18:57 -0400 From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #151 See I knew if I held out long enough someone would say what I wanted to say, but with less vindictivness than I would have stated it ;-).. Great job Mike very well said and I would'nt be surprised if P+E emailed you and said same thing hit nail on the head.. Have another drink, in fact you could go to a bar and offer solutions to problems for price of a drink..Hmm would that make you a prostitute then? LOL.. Ok well I'm on cough medicince so I'm gonna shut up before I say anything else incriminating. heehee In a message dated 7/14/2003 9:06:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike_brame@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was still about her. You see, the ones > that really had a problem with her auctions only had a problem with P+e > selling access to herself, likening it to prostitution. I figure that P+e, > knowing her Psychos, knew that posing the question of legalizing > prostitution would bring about an overwhelming response in the positive. > Thereby leading us to see her point of view; that she should have the right > to choose her actions as she sees fit. > > Or maybe I was just reading too much into the discussion. > > Now, do I like her selling the opportunity to see her? No. Do I support > her decision to do so? Of course. Have I personally had the chance to see > her at the shows I have attended? No, but that's life. > > Mike > (Yes, this time I am drunk. See Jarrod, I took your advice!) ;) > > > >From: Andrea Horvath > >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #151 > >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:59:25 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >You go Poe! That was clever, did anyone else catch > >that? She switched the focus of the flame war from > >HER to a debate over legalized prostitiution. More > >proof of her astounding intelligence and the blindness > >of lame online conflicts. > >~Dre > > > > > ><<<<<<<< > > > >Question: Do you think that prostitution should be > >legalized in this > >country? > > > >xoxo Poe > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN > 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 02:34:34 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #151 Speaking of prostitution, anyone here have a JOB? Talk about being made to serve as a whore! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 02:07:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Miki Proud Subject: Re: NPR new psycho My name's Miki actually. Unless there's some other freak with a Poe tat on their tongue running around... - --- KrodKnid@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/14/2003 5:25:23 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > peaceofpie@sbcglobal.net writes: > Or on the TALENT of the tongue licking the pop. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Or whether or not it has piercings and/or studs in > it. I am betting Nikki > could lick to the center of a tootsie-roll pop in > record time due to the Poe > tattoo on her tongue. ===== "Be who you are and say what you feel. Because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." - --Dr. Suess __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:47:37 -0700 (PDT) From: J L Subject: Introductions Hi all ... I joined last week, actually, but wanted to get a feel for the group before introducing myself here. I'm currently working out in Eastern Europe (former Iron Curtain territory), though I move around a lot - last year was England, next year who knows? Anyway, as for me in regard to Poe - I originally joined this to try and get word on any upcoming tours (though I've been a fan for years, I'm not normally one for joining clubs or lists) on the off-chance that she'd be hitting Europe any time soon. Apparently not, but I'll keep my fingers crossed ... Cheers, all, and maybe I'll rear my ugly head again sometime. Jerr (P.S. - for those who think the email address is crude or rude, Fuknus is the Arabic word for Phoenix. Just FYI ...) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:09:01 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR new psycho In a message dated 7/15/2003 5:08:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, talula658@yahoo.com writes: My name's Miki actually. Unless there's some other freak with a Poe tat on their tongue running around... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *wipes egg off face* Nope, you de only one. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:08:02 -0700 From: "nata lie" Subject: Poe "how long" sos man, i put on "haunted" the other day and it was like a swan dive into heaven. :) so for further Poe coping skills, im wondering if someone can send me "how long". i have msn messenger and aim if email is evil for you. peace~tali - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:11:11 -0700 From: "nata lie" Subject: npr: ho-bagging im sorry, i know everyone is sick of this thread, but this honestly hurts me. i just took a 14 y.o. girl to get birth control pills because she gets drunk and has sex. WHERE ARE THE PARENTS?! AND WHY ARENT THERE ABSOLUTES IN SOCIETY?! its just makes me so sad that nobody looks at sex like making love. what happened to giving yourself to someone because you love them, theyre special to you, and you want to give yourself to them and satisfy them all at the same time? are we so lost in self pleasure and satisfaction that we just run around masterbating into people? sex creates life, life should be created out of love. we're not animals and theres no shortage of people, so what's wrong with making boundaries and respecting our bodies?back to the silence i go. im so sorry, like i said im sure no one wants to hear this, but its just makes me so sad...peace~sad tali - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:47:05 -0500 From: "kelli Jo" Subject: Re: npr: ho-bagging Well. As we all know there IS no shortage of people but you did say you took her to get birth control pills. and as much as I hate to admit it the parents can't do anything about it. Children are learning alot younger how to be independant and make their own decisions. And while yes I do agree that loving someone and wanting to please them etc is a good thing, people are figuring out that there are pleasures out there that they have never experienced, and learning what those are can be good for the soul. While you may not agree with promiscuity, some people live their lives by it.. going from one boundary to the next, testing their own sexual limits. And I for one am one of those people who agrees with being a little selfish at times, if someone wants to find out how good sex can be, then I, for one, am not going to stop them. It can be a beautiful thing even if it isn't with someone you love. As long as they are safe, and they aren't hurting anybody... then why bother them? just my $0.02 >From: "nata lie" >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: npr: ho-bagging >Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:11:11 -0700 > > >im sorry, i know everyone is sick of this thread, but this honestly hurts >me. i just took a 14 y.o. girl to get birth control pills because she >gets drunk and has sex. WHERE ARE THE PARENTS?! AND WHY ARENT THERE >ABSOLUTES IN SOCIETY?! its just makes me so sad that nobody looks at sex >like making love. what happened to giving yourself to someone because you >love them, theyre special to you, and you want to give yourself to them >and satisfy them all at the same time? are we so lost in self pleasure >and satisfaction that we just run around masterbating into people? sex >creates life, life should be created out of love. we're not animals and >theres no shortage of people, so what's wrong with making boundaries and >respecting our bodies?back to the silence i go. im so sorry, like i said >im sure no one wants to hear this, but its just makes me so sad...peace~sad >tali > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: J L Subject: Re: npr: ho-bagging To some degree I agree with you - but I think sex on it's own really has no meaning. What meaning there is to it comes from the individual and his/her perception of it. This perception is usually based on one's upbringing, ones religion/spirituality, one's social group, etc ... and occasionally, just occasionally an individual will take a long, hard look at him/herself and make a concious choice as to what meaning the act will have to him/her. It all plays a part in how one approaches and deals with the act itself. While the generally accepted religious meaning (and to some extent the social) is "sex should follow romantic love, and be an expression of that love," there are a lot of social pressures built around sex (as we all know). A lot of the social pressures have been built around boys/men to "sow their wild oats" and have sex with as many women as possible ... whether the guy loves or even likes the girl is irrelevant; what's important is that he have sex with a multitude of women. Yes, I will agree that in recent decades it seems as though more and more women are doing this as well (I remember an old cowboy friend of mine describing women who go "Wrangler Patching" - or collecting the patches off the Wrangler jeans of as many cowboys as they could sleep with). This kind of "trophy hunting" is, in my opinion, the worst reason to have sex ... it's using your partner for social standing, without caring about them as a person or caring about enjoying the act itself. This girl your'e describing who "gets drunk and has sex" probably has some emotional issues that she's going to have to deal with - the drinking and sex are the effects, not the cause. BUT, this is another facet of sexuality - having sex for "no reason." It's a step above trophy hunting (in my book), but it's an outward expression of something that's going on inside her - possibly to feel that someone cares for her at least physically, if not emotionally (I don't know her, so I can't tell). At least she's showing some degree of responsibility (though FAR, FAR from adequate) in getting on the pill - better would be regular use of condims, and MUCH better would be getting some counseling to deal with whatever issue is causing this. But as for looking "at sex like making love" or "giving yourself to someone because you love them, they're special to you, and you want to give yourself to them and satisfy them all at the same time," this is something that, although it's a social and religious expectation, it may be too constricting for most people. Personally (and this is just me - I don't make reccomendations for others on this), I see sex as a pleasurable, fun act that can be shared with people I like. It's not necessary that the woman I'm with be "The One," but it is necessary that I like her as a person, enjoy spending time with her (both in and out of the bedroom - or kitchen, or living room, or, well, you get the picture), etc. If it turns into a long-term monogamous relationship, so be it - that's fine. If it turns into a long-term polygamous relationship, that's fine, too (I don't put chains or leashes on women, and appreciate the same courtesy in return - unless there's an agreement to the contrary). If it turns into a single night of sex in a friendship, that's fine as well. But I won't go out and find a woman for bragging rights, nor will I sleep with a woman out of sheer boredom - and I won't make myself available to women who are doing either of those. Well, this is a lot longer than I originally intended (and probably much more rambling - sorry, not enough coffee yet) so I'll give up on the "philosophy of sexuality according to Jerr" and await the lightning stike that should happen soon. Cheers, Jerr - --- nata lie wrote: > > im sorry, i know everyone is sick of this thread, > but this honestly hurts > me. i just took a 14 y.o. girl to get birth control > pills because she > gets drunk and has sex. WHERE ARE THE PARENTS?! AND > WHY ARENT THERE > ABSOLUTES IN SOCIETY?! its just makes me so sad that > nobody looks at sex > like making love. what happened to giving yourself > to someone because you > love them, theyre special to you, and you want to > give yourself to them > and satisfy them all at the same time? are we so > lost in self pleasure > and satisfaction that we just run around > masterbating into people? sex > creates life, life should be created out of love. > we're not animals and > theres no shortage of people, so what's wrong with > making boundaries and > respecting our bodies?back to the silence i go. im > so sorry, like i said > im sure no one wants to hear this, but its just > makes me so sad...peace~sad > tali > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection > with MSN 8. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! 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