From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V8 #155 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, July 15 2003 Volume 08 : Number 155 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR Prostitution [D G ] RE: ["Pierce, Marshall" ] Re: [Dan98908@aol.com] RE: ["Pierce, Marshall" ] new psycho ["Nisa Wells" ] RE: new psycho ["Pierce, Marshall" ] Re: new psycho ["Peace of Pie" ] Re: new psycho [KrodKnid@aol.com] Fwd: POE TOUR >> [Andrea Horvath ] Re: How many licks... [KoiJamas@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #151 [Andrea Horvath Subject: NPR Prostitution Is DesertOpal the only one on the list who isn't living in a fantasy world? Freedom of choice? The postings make it seem as though the majority of prostitutes are taking a year off between college and medical school, and make a logical, well-informed decision to earn a few extra dollars and increase their self esteem by having a little consensual sex with thousands of people for money. The clients, of course, are all very kind and respectful and never beat, rape, brutalize, or torture their contractual partners to sex. Ninety percent of teenagers involved in trading sex for money or survival needs (prostitutes) are survivors of sexual violence, such as incest and sexual assault, according to the Michigan Family Impact seminars on prostituted teens, 2002. An older study revealed that at least 65-75% of people engaged in prostitution were sexually abused as children (Boyer and James, 1982; Enablers Study, Minneapolis). A study of 130 street workers (primarily homeless) who engaged in prostitution or survival sex found that 80% had been physically assaulted.Some prostitutes are raped between 8 and 10 times a year or more. 7% seek help (e.g.., from a rape crisis center), and only 4% report the rape to the police. Mimi Silbert, Sexual Assault of Prostitutes. San Francisco: (Delancy Street Foundation, 1981 SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:32:38 -0400 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: I think in this venue, you'd have to define Prostitution...=) However if you are talking about the "Simple" act of selling your sexual services (weather you're M/F), that is a tough choice. I am a big Believer in Imminent Domain, so I try to respect others choices as much as possible. I do have one last thing to add to the discussion. I do not think it 'Bad' for P+e to sell stuff, I just hope that she is not that cash poor, and selling stuff that has meaning to her, that would be truly sad...=( Marshall Pierce ITCS IFAS IT University of Florida (352) 846-1832 "We can never see past the choices we don't understand ." MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu http://www.pierceworks.com - -----Original Message----- From: Realpoe@aol.com [mailto:Realpoe@aol.com] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 4:42 PM To: Angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Question: Do you think that prostitution should be legalized in this country? xoxo Poe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:10:49 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu, In reference to your comment: h I do not think it 'Bad' for P+e to sell stuff, I just hope h that she is not that cash poor, and selling stuff that has h meaning to her, that would be truly sad...=( I talked about this a little in my first post about the auctions but I put WAY too much stuff in that post and the point may have been lost... if Poe was purely after the money in these auctions she would have posted them on Ebay and perhaps even in the memorabilia trades, they would have brought a good price from the vendors and memorabilia mongers. Instead Poe, thru Angie, chooses to advertise these items to her fans almost exclusively. I think that she IS selling stuff that means a lot to her --- but more importantly she is selling stuff that she knows would mean a lot to US. She does this as she is coming out again on the AP list and finally talking to us, slowly but surly gaining back her voice. I think these auctions are as much for us as for Poe. Everyone may have opinions about the prices suggested, but it was an auction so unless items were withheld due to reserves not being met a suggested first bid is just that ....suggested. As a side note... I have to smile about the intense prostitution debate going on, I wonder if Poe was really curious about our thoughts on prostitution or if she was just, in her own special to way, letting us know that she was reading all the "stuff" we were saying about her and letting us know she heard? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:16:50 -0400 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: Well, there have only been 1000 billion reply's, I am however sorry I missed your post . It is good to hear from P+e again, I have only been on this list for a couple years (maybe more?), I lurk and post infrequently, not because of disinterest, but because I'm afraid my computer would burn from the flaming...LOL Anyway, I hope that all is well with you P+e , and look forward to music. I have to admit that on the seeder side of the prostitution issue, it is sad what some people have to do to survive, if you can call it that. If it ever gets that ad P+e just drop a line, I'll buy you a Dominos pizza online...LOL Least I could do for all the cool music. =) That, is hopefully a joke. Marshall Pierce ITCS IFAS IT University of Florida (352) 846-1832 "We can never see past the choices we don't understand ." MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu http://www.pierceworks.com - -----Original Message----- From: Dan98908@aol.com [mailto:Dan98908@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:11 AM To: MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu; Realpoe@aol.com; Angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Hello MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu, In reference to your comment: ==> I do not think it 'Bad' for P+e to sell stuff, I just hope ==> that she is not that cash poor, and selling stuff that has ==> meaning to her, that would be truly sad...=( I talked about this a little in my first post about the auctions but I put WAY too much stuff in that post and the point may have been lost... if Poe was purely after the money in these auctions she would have posted them on Ebay and perhaps even in the memorabilia trades, they would have brought a good price from the vendors and memorabilia mongers. Instead Poe, thru Angie, chooses to advertise these items to her fans almost exclusively. I think that she IS selling stuff that means a lot to her --- but more importantly she is selling stuff that she knows would mean a lot to US. She does this as she is coming out again on the AP list and finally talking to us, slowly but surly gaining back her voice. I think these auctions are as much for us as for Poe. Everyone may have opinions about the prices suggested, but it was an auction so unless items were withheld due to reserves not being met a suggested first bid is just that ....suggested. As a side note... I have to smile about the intense prostitution debate going on, I wonder if Poe was really curious about our thoughts on prostitution or if she was just, in her own special to way, letting us know that she was reading all the "stuff" we were saying about her and letting us know she heard? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:11:21 -0500 From: "Nisa Wells" Subject: new psycho Hey my name is nisa. im20. live in nicaragua. I heard poe for the first time on the great expectations soundtrack. she rocked, i bought her cds. thats pertty much it. though i am a little dissapointed to hear some of you compare poe to a prostitute. Her reasons for selling passes in no ones business but hers. leave her the hell alone. i thinl it sux ass that some of you would turn your back on her just because she is cashing in on her fame. im sure if some of you could make maney that easily you would so quit bitchin. now that i have stated my little opinion, can someone tell me just how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop? realy. i want to know. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:12:22 -0400 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: new psycho Hi there!! Welcome new Psycho....=) The answer to your question Varies on the size of the tongue licking the tootsie pop. =) Marshall Pierce ITCS IFAS IT University of Florida (352) 846-1832 "We can never see past the choices we don't understand ." MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu http://www.pierceworks.com - -----Original Message----- From: Nisa Wells [mailto:hyperborean_lost@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:11 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: new psycho Hey my name is nisa. im20. live in nicaragua. I heard poe for the first time on the great expectations soundtrack. she rocked, i bought her cds. thats pertty much it. though i am a little dissapointed to hear some of you compare poe to a prostitute. Her reasons for selling passes in no ones business but hers. leave her the hell alone. i thinl it sux ass that some of you would turn your back on her just because she is cashing in on her fame. im sure if some of you could make maney that easily you would so quit bitchin. now that i have stated my little opinion, can someone tell me just how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop? realy. i want to know. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:23:53 -0500 From: "Peace of Pie" Subject: Re: new psycho Or on the TALENT of the tongue licking the pop. Julie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierce, Marshall" To: "'Nisa Wells'" ; Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: RE: new psycho > > Hi there!! Welcome new Psycho....=) The answer to your question Varies on > the size of the tongue licking the tootsie pop. =) > > Marshall Pierce > ITCS IFAS IT > University of Florida > (352) 846-1832 > "We can never see past the choices we don't understand ." > MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu > http://www.pierceworks.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nisa Wells [mailto:hyperborean_lost@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:11 PM > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: new psycho > > > Hey my name is nisa. im20. live in nicaragua. I heard poe for the first > time on the great expectations soundtrack. she rocked, i bought her cds. > thats pertty much it. though i am a little dissapointed to hear some of > you compare poe to a prostitute. Her reasons for selling passes in no > ones business but hers. leave her the hell alone. i thinl it sux ass that > some of you would turn your back on her just because she is cashing in on > her fame. im sure if some of you could make maney that easily you would > so quit bitchin. now that i have stated my little opinion, can someone > tell me just how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll > center of a tootsie pop? realy. i want to know. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:27:28 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: new psycho In a message dated 7/14/2003 5:25:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, peaceofpie@sbcglobal.net writes: Or on the TALENT of the tongue licking the pop. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or whether or not it has piercings and/or studs in it. I am betting Nikki could lick to the center of a tootsie-roll pop in record time due to the Poe tattoo on her tongue. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrea Horvath Subject: Fwd: POE TOUR >> And if she asked for my support, she would get it. But she didn't ask the AP's for anything. She asked the people on her e-mail list for money for a backstage pass. Not support, but cash. <<<<<<<< Note the "From" email address. Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] X-Apparently-To: flydredragonfly6@yahoo.com via 216.136.130.18; 07 Jul 2003 20:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from 64.12.34.184 (EHLO ironport2.wmg-is.com) (64.12.34.184) by mta102.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Jul 2003 20:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reverb.atlrec.com (64.12.34.234) by ironport2.wmg-is.com with ESMTP; 08 Jul 2003 04:58:19 +0000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by reverb.atlrec.com (8.8.8p2+Sun/8.8.8) id XAA13005; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 23:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.6 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 03:58:31 UT To: flydredragonfly6@yahoo.com From: REALProtool@aol.com Reply-To: REALProtool@aol.com Subject: POE TOUR >> Content-Length: 233 [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] 1.5hrs left to place your bid on the POE Backstage Pass + + + + 2Days left to place your bid on the POE LIFETIME PASS + + + + CUT & PASTE >> + + + + http://store.yahoo.com/poestuff/ofpoeauc.html + + + + ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:19:04 EDT From: KoiJamas@aol.com Subject: Re: How many licks... Tongue studs, tattoos, pfft... I really think that we all need to ask Mr. Owl about this one. - -Bridget ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrea Horvath Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #151 You go Poe! That was clever, did anyone else catch that? She switched the focus of the flame war from HER to a debate over legalized prostitiution. More proof of her astounding intelligence and the blindness of lame online conflicts. ~Dre <<<<<<<< Question: Do you think that prostitution should be legalized in this country? xoxo Poe >>>>>>> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:06:08 -0500 From: "Michael Brame" Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #151 Maybe it's just me, but I thought it was still about her. You see, the ones that really had a problem with her auctions only had a problem with P+e selling access to herself, likening it to prostitution. I figure that P+e, knowing her Psychos, knew that posing the question of legalizing prostitution would bring about an overwhelming response in the positive. Thereby leading us to see her point of view; that she should have the right to choose her actions as she sees fit. Or maybe I was just reading too much into the discussion. Now, do I like her selling the opportunity to see her? No. Do I support her decision to do so? Of course. Have I personally had the chance to see her at the shows I have attended? No, but that's life. Mike (Yes, this time I am drunk. See Jarrod, I took your advice!) ;) >From: Andrea Horvath >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V8 #151 >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:59:25 -0700 (PDT) > > >You go Poe! That was clever, did anyone else catch >that? She switched the focus of the flame war from >HER to a debate over legalized prostitiution. More >proof of her astounding intelligence and the blindness >of lame online conflicts. >~Dre > > ><<<<<<<< > >Question: Do you think that prostitution should be >legalized in this >country? > >xoxo Poe > > >>>>>>> > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:25:33 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: How many licks... In a message dated 7/14/2003 8:19:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KoiJamas@aol.com writes: Tongue studs, tattoos, pfft... I really think that we all need to ask Mr. Owl about this one. - -Bridget >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does he have beak studs? No fair, an owl could beak through a Tootsie-Pop faster than a tongue could lick through. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V8 #155 ***********************************