From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V8 #59 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, March 19 2003 Volume 08 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- poe ringtones [tearinhand ] Re: A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War ["Ant] Re: NPR: Michael Moore's letter to Bush [Aetherlord@aol.com] Re: A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War [Divi] Re: NPR: Michael Moore's letter to Bush [Divinity ] Re: A Letter from one apparent racist militarist ["Gordon Gekko" ] NPR:Re A letter from one apparent recist militarist ["DesertOpal" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:40:40 -0800 (PST) From: tearinhand Subject: poe ringtones does anyone have poe ringtones in rtttl format? Sara ===== "the sweetest cherry in an apple pie" ~Tori Amos "Wait, I thought I had this down I built all my cages and my hide out I covered all my bases but you you creep in like a whisper I try not to listen but I hear you I don't know just what it is you do but do it again" ~Poe, Amazed http://escape.to/yourescape ~A Girl and Her Piano~ Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:00:06 +0000 From: "Anthony J Hoffmann" Subject: Re: A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War Yeah, I guess all of the people that care about the country are serving in the military. That's why you can't find any willing to fight. All the traitors stay back and abuse the freedom that all of the soldiers are fighting for. At a time the country needs us the most, you find out who the true citizens are... If you don't like the country, or it's leaders, (that we as a people voted for) there are many, many others to choose from. Nobody's stopping you from leaving. I'm sure we'd be better off if the, crying potential draft dodgers, would go elsewhere. Find something more constructive to do than protest on the internet. Help out the country, instead of tearing it down. Help the needy, instead of sitting in your comfy house complaining how bad this country is. Try living in Bosnia, or some other war torn country, and see if life is so bad at home. Go to France, I'm sure they'd love you there, Mike. ================================================================= "si pacem vis habere para bellum" "If you want peace be ready for war" -- Constantine _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:21:58 EST From: Aetherlord@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Michael Moore's letter to Bush micheal moore is an absolute P.O.S. You are talking about a guy that exploited the Columbine tragedy for his own political self-promotion. and YES, his war is against your own American constitutional rights. Anybody who actually buys into this crap should be ashamed of themselves. Its blatantly obvious from the second word that his intended audience is not President Bush. It is for all the sheep that are naive enough to think he cares about this country or its people. If you don't have the strength to stand up and lead, then at least try to follow somebody with a little integrity. Jason "Had they but courage equal to desire" -- WB Yeats NPR: Michael Moore's letter to Bush > > Date:3/18/03 7:52:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > From:NoisyPollution@aol.com > To:angry-psychos@smoe.org > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > Monday, March 17, 2003 > > > > A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War > > > > > > George W. Bush > > 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. > > Washington, DC > > > > > > Dear Governor Bush: > > > > So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and > > > the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to > hear > > that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having > > survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could > > take much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got > a > > few truths I would like to share with you: > > > > 1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News > > aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the > > > White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people > who > > are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? > > 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has > > even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans > > think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, > > then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works! > > > > > 2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not > > > fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues > > are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end > in > > Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you > > took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing > if > > their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two > > dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of > this > > go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve. > > > > 3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a > > popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, > Mr. > > Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them. > > > > 4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But > > even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does > it > > have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? > Of > > course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when > > you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place. > > > > 5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South > Dakota) > > has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want > to > > stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait > right > > now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every > > member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids > > > for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, > > guess what -- we don't think so either! > > > > 6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. > > Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we > > wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the > > French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for > us? > > That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben > > Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the > concepts > > that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That > it > > was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the > > Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now > > > they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about > > > yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for > > > getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more > > > (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not > only > > made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out > > of. > > > > Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, > > > more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a > > > lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. > > After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity > polls > > as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good > > ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world > > ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's > > election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to > > have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further > down > > the toilet! > > > > But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the > > election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- > > they got our oil!! > > > > Yours, > > > > Michael Moore > > www.michaelmoore.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2003 07:38:19 -0500 From: Divinity Subject: Re: A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War What about helping to contribute to the "war torn" status of another country? I don't think it's a matter of people who care about this country, it's people who care about other countries that are opposing this war too. The true citizens are the ones that embrace their freedoms in order to speak their mind and opinions in the spirit that this country was founded upon. I have great respect for the men and women who serve to protect this country, I just think that this is not protecting our country but rather picking a fight. On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 03:00, Anthony J Hoffmann wrote: > Yeah, I guess all of the people that care about the country are serving in > the military. That's why you can't find any willing to fight. All the > traitors stay back and abuse the freedom that all of the soldiers are > fighting for. At a time the country needs us the most, you find out who the > true citizens are... > > If you don't like the country, or it's leaders, (that we as a people voted > for) there are many, many others to choose from. Nobody's stopping you from > leaving. I'm sure we'd be better off if the, crying potential draft dodgers, > would go elsewhere. Find something more constructive to do than protest on > the internet. > > Help out the country, instead of tearing it down. Help the needy, instead of > sitting in your comfy house complaining how bad this country is. > > Try living in Bosnia, or some other war torn country, and see if life is so > bad at home. > > Go to France, I'm sure they'd love you there, Mike. > > ================================================================= > "si pacem vis habere para bellum" > "If you want peace be ready for war" > -- Constantine > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - -- Divinity ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2003 07:43:23 -0500 From: Divinity Subject: Re: NPR: Michael Moore's letter to Bush Have you seen Bowling For Columbine? very little of the movie is actually about Columbine itself, and it's far from exploiting. It's a thought provoking commentary on our country and it's attitude and problems with guns and violence. On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 21:21, Aetherlord@aol.com wrote: > micheal moore is an absolute P.O.S. You are talking about a guy that > exploited the Columbine tragedy for his own political self-promotion. and > YES, his war is against your own American constitutional rights. Anybody who > actually buys into this crap should be ashamed of themselves. Its blatantly > obvious from the second word that his intended audience is not President > Bush. It is for all the sheep that are naive enough to think he cares about > this country or its people. If you don't have the strength to stand up and > lead, then at least try to follow somebody with a little integrity. > > Jason > > "Had they but courage equal to desire" -- WB Yeats > > > > NPR: Michael Moore's letter to Bush > > > > Date:3/18/03 7:52:23 PM Eastern Standard Time > > From:NoisyPollution@aol.com > > To:angry-psychos@smoe.org > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, March 17, 2003 > > > > > > A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War > > > > > > > > > George W. Bush > > > 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. > > > Washington, DC > > > > > > > > > Dear Governor Bush: > > > > > > So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and > > > > > the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to > > hear > > > that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having > > > survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could > > > take much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got > > a > > > few truths I would like to share with you: > > > > > > 1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News > > > aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the > > > > > White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people > > who > > > are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? > > > 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has > > > even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans > > > think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, > > > then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works! > > > > > > > > 2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not > > > > > fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues > > > are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end > > in > > > Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you > > > took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing > > if > > > their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two > > > dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of > > this > > > go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve. > > > > > > 3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a > > > popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, > > Mr. > > > Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them. > > > > > > 4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But > > > even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does > > it > > > have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? > > Of > > > course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when > > > you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place. > > > > > > 5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South > > Dakota) > > > has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want > > to > > > stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait > > right > > > now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every > > > member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids > > > > > for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, > > > guess what -- we don't think so either! > > > > > > 6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. > > > Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we > > > wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the > > > French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for > > us? > > > That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben > > > Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the > > concepts > > > that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That > > it > > > was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the > > > Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now > > > > > they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about > > > > > yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for > > > > > getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more > > > > > (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not > > only > > > made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out > > > of. > > > > > > Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, > > > > > more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a > > > > > lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. > > > After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity > > polls > > > as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good > > > ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world > > > ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's > > > election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to > > > have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further > > down > > > the toilet! > > > > > > But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the > > > election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- > > > they got our oil!! > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Michael Moore > > > www.michaelmoore.com - -- Divinity ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:15:42 -0800 From: "Gordon Gekko" Subject: Re: A Letter from one apparent racist militarist > Yeah, I guess all of the people that care about the country are serving in > the military. That's why you can't find any willing to fight. Bullshit....Serving the occupation Government is hardly grounds to claim patriotism, and half of them are there for financial incentives, not a blind allegiance to our current president. All the traitors stay back and abuse the freedom that all of the soldiers are fighting for. We aint fighting for freedom , we are fighting for television and Oil and weapons manufacturersBullshit...using a RIGHT, a GOD-GIVEN RIGHT. George Bush nor George WALLACE gave me my RIGHTS to complain about the Government-the FOUNDING FATHERS did. At a time the country needs us the most, you find out who the true citizens are... Bullshit....'True" citizens are any person BORN IN THE COUNTRY , whether a pin head like you likes it or not pal. If you don't like the country, or it's leaders, (that we as a people voted > for) there are many, many others to choose from. Oh , you can bet we will next november. Nobody's stopping you from > leaving. I'm sure we'd be better off if the, crying potential draft dodgers, > would go elsewhere. Find something more constructive to do than protest on > the internet. Constructive by whose standards? Yours?Is blowing away sand nigger camel jockeykids (who would just have more sand nigger camel jockeys) constructive by your standards? How fucking racist . > > Help out the country, instead of tearing it down. Help the needy, instead of > sitting in your comfy house complaining how bad this country is. YOU help the needy instead of shooting Third world people > > Try living in Bosnia, or some other war torn country, and see if life is so > bad at home. > This argument is as old as the hills.. "love it or leave it" You have fun creating another war torn country...then when this country wants to attack yet another 3rd world country instead of a real enemy like China you can tell those who would abuse the freedoms you fought for to go live in Iraq .Pin head. > Go to France, I'm sure they'd love you there, Mike. I doubt it, they probably dont like us in France. I dont blame them.And by the way I was born in France. Fuck you.And your horse. AT "avoid foriegn entanglements"- GEORGE FUCKING WASHINGTON ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:26:18 -0800 From: "Gordon Gekko" Subject: Re: NPR: Michael MooreI S a P.O.S Commie > micheal moore is an absolute P.O.S. You are talking about a guy that > exploited the Columbine tragedy for his own political self-promotion. and > YES, his war is against your own American constitutional rights. BRAH VOH ...this guy would take your guns away....Bush has GOT to LOVE Micheal Moore, Its as much a part of the Communist agenda to dis-arm the public as controlling the dissemination of information is. Anybody who > actually buys into this crap should be ashamed of themselves. Or a 'democrat' (communist) Its blatantly obvious from the second word that his intended audience is not President > Bush. It is for all the sheep that are naive enough to think he cares about > this country or its people. If you don't have the strength to stand up and > lead, then at least try to follow somebody with a little integrity. You are ab so lutely right. If this were Al Gore sending the same troops in for the same Lockheed and Haliburton shareholders, Michael moore would probably be eerily SILENT. He is a hypocrite, even if he might be right this one time http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:42:24 -0500 From: Tusk8@aol.com Subject: Re: A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War i hate all the bullshit about "if you dont like it here ... leave and go somewhere else." the pilgrims left england because it was so bad ... and the founding fathers built a country where hopefully youd never have to leave again ... you could voice your opinion (be it for or against the government) and either way ... it was okay. dissent is (by example of the founding fathers) the most american thing you can do. and i dont think ANYONE doesnt support the troops ... what they dont support is this crazy war. i hope all those guys and gals get back here safe and sound ... but i dont think they should be there in the first place. xxx noah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:59:02 -0800 (PST) From: Brendles Subject: NPR Re: AHAHAHAHA. It's Bridget. She has a butt. She lives in Ohio. Hi. O. It's about time, Bridgibutt...I've missed you! Bren KoiJamas@aol.com wrote: Look. I'm back! - -bridget ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:06:29 -0800 From: "DesertOpal" Subject: Re: A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War woooo hoooo! I love you man! lol. Finally someone who can voice the "unpopular" opinion. My mother told me just the other day, that she was proud of President Bush. (I'm sure he cares right? lol) But that the reason she liked him so well, was that he wasn't afraid to follow through. He intends to take power from Saddam Hussein, and will not stop until that goal is accomplished. He is doing what he said he was going to do. Period. He's taking the ability to blow us all up out of the hands of a complete maniac, a man who is functionally psychotic. I doubt his (hussein)soldiers will fight long, who wants to support a fuckin lunatic? But anyway, i dont know why I'm rambling. lol. I just want to shout some woooo hooo at your posting. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony J Hoffmann" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: Re: A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War > > Yeah, I guess all of the people that care about the country are serving in > the military. That's why you can't find any willing to fight. All the > traitors stay back and abuse the freedom that all of the soldiers are > fighting for. At a time the country needs us the most, you find out who the > true citizens are... > > If you don't like the country, or it's leaders, (that we as a people voted > for) there are many, many others to choose from. Nobody's stopping you from > leaving. I'm sure we'd be better off if the, crying potential draft dodgers, > would go elsewhere. Find something more constructive to do than protest on > the internet. > > Help out the country, instead of tearing it down. Help the needy, instead of > sitting in your comfy house complaining how bad this country is. > > Try living in Bosnia, or some other war torn country, and see if life is so > bad at home. > > Go to France, I'm sure they'd love you there, Mike. > > ================================================================= > "si pacem vis habere para bellum" > "If you want peace be ready for war" > -- Constantine > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:12:34 -0800 From: "DesertOpal" Subject: NPR: A letter from one apparent racist militarist Nobody's stopping you from > leaving. I'm sure we'd be better off if the, crying potential draft dodgers, > would go elsewhere. Find something more constructive to do than protest on > the internet. Constructive by whose standards? Yours?Is blowing away sand nigger camel jockeykids (who would just have more sand nigger camel jockeys) constructive by your standards? How fucking racist . Did he say sand nigger camel jockeykids somewhere and I missed it? Or is that just what you are assuming he would say given the chance? Who's the racist? Dont stuff words into someones mouth if they're only the sentiments coming from your own. You my friend (or not so) have some serious issues. Are you seeing someone for them? You should be. Rebel without a clue is all I'm hearing. You and your panic theorys. Sheesh! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:34:48 -0800 From: "Gordon Gekko" Subject: Re: A letter from one apparent racist militarist > Did he say sand nigger camel jockeykids somewhere and I missed it? Why yes , he did, cant you read? Or is that just what you are assuming he would say given the chance? Who's the racist? > Dont stuff words into someones mouth if they're only the sentiments coming from your own. Oh bullshit. I am anything but a racist. Any L . A. psycho who has seen me in person can attest to that , whether they like me or not.How many people of color ( gawd I hate talking PCese) do YOU hang wiff? What kinda 'hood do you live in?Thought so. You my friend (or not so) have some serious issues. Are you > seeing someone for them?Yes , i DO have SERIOUS ISSUES , and , as a public service to Poe fans, who I care about, I try and bring them to light.The Networks and CNN dont . Seeing someone? not since 1978, and that state shrink called me a 'dangerous psychopath" , but they STILL GRANTED ME PAROLE . MWAHAAHAAAA!!! I have been free , roaming the streets ever since. . Rebel without a clue is all I'm hearing. Regurgitate ABC CBS NBC CNN is all Im hearing from you. I got a clue. heres 100s of em convienient ...try www.infowars.com www.whatreallyhappened.com www.deceptiondollar.com www.prisonplanet.com or any other of hundreds of sites besides major CORPORATE OWNED IN-ON-IT WITH THE BOMB MAKERS networks and 'news'papers. You and your panic theorys. Sheesh! You and your blind trust in washington politicians and the gall to ridicule the truth. Sheesh! Those who forget History are doomed to repeat it http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:12:16 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Michael Moore's letter to Bush In a message dated 3/19/03 6:49:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, Aetherlord@aol.com writes: << YES, his war is against your own American constitutional rights. >> I don't believe there is anything at all about oil rights in the Constitution. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:07:44 -0500 (EST) From: Derek Subject: NPR: Support our Soldiers First, let me preface this by saying I'm not attacking or point the finger at anybody. I'm not asking you to be patriotic or to support the current administration. I don't support any particular political party or person. I take *anything* the media says (and that's underground as well as mainstream, everybody has an agenda) with a grain of salt (sometimes the whole shaker). Now, with that out of the way, with all of the anti-war sentiment abounding, and you have my apologies if somebody has already made this point, regardless of one's feelings about the Bush Administration or the War, our troops deserve and need our support. Think about it, your getting ready to face war, the very real potential of chemical weapons, the possibility of death, or even worse, being affected by chemical agents and assuming you survive living in pain the rest of your life and possibly even being quarantined and probably never seeing your loved ones, the people whose lives' you enlisted to protect again. And then you hear that most of America is against you even being there. Ouch. Then you hear that people are protesting not only the administration, but the armed forces.Ouch & WTF??!! And let's face it, the gung-ho redneck who joined to "kill him some goddamn terroists" is a cliche'. Most of the people I've met who either are enlisted or were enlisted are good people who come from military families, or joined to serve their families, their countrymen, and lastly (if at all) their government. Almost all the people I know (or know of) enlisted for those reasons in that order. Yes, enlisted personnel join (or should join) with the knowledge that they could be sent to war, that they could die, become infected with disease, be tortured etc. and they made that choice themselves. Many of them also made the choice realizing that some of their fellow countrymen may protest them, throw things at them, and despise them...and they still enlisted to defend even THOSE people's freedoms and lives. No, that wasn't a conscious choice: "I'm going to enlist to protect the people that hate me or will protest me being a soldier" but that's still the reality of what they are doing. And some would argue "Well, unless they turn around and march on Washington and defend us from Bush, they aren't upholding their oaths". That's just asinine. Like it's that black and white and that simple. Tell you what, if you think that's what should be done, then you enlist and do it yourself. Few things are as disconcerting to a solider, especially in wartime, as having people protest them. Yes, we all have the right to do so, but having the right to do so doesn't always mean that we should. So chastise the president, do whatever you feel to express yourself. But keep in mind that our troops deserve our support and thank them for their service. No, you don't 'owe' them anything...except for respect. ~D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:06:26 -0800 From: "DesertOpal" Subject: NPR:Re A letter from one apparent recist militarist First of all, how dare you be so presumtous as to assume you know anything about me or my ethnenticity? To strip you of your racist assumption (what else can you call assuming someone is one race or another without knowing?) I'll have you know (not that it really is any of your business) that I happen to be one of those "people of color" whose flag you seem to be waving so ardently. My mother is PuertoRican, my father is white. That means I'm only half "colored". (Does that make me less a "person of color" than you or only less downtrodden?) And further more, I live in a predominantly black neighborhood, which means that the people I hang "wiff" are racially varied and they certainly dont include little men in big white hoods. So dont give me your thought so crap. Obviously you didn't think at all. Why would you be of the opinion that my race matters when it comes to MY opinion? Am I any less valid regardless of race? Am I any less entitled because I'm not of your prefered race? Or does my opinion just count less to you? Or is it just white peoples opinions you dont care for? That seems a bit racist in itself. I've seen my share of racism and it has very little to do with what neighborhood one lives in, or what culture one chooses to indulge in. Racism is jugdement based on race, which you blatantly committed when you assumed I was white and therefore ignorant of the issue. I understand if you feel you need to voice your opinion, you're entitled to it, just dont think I'm not entitled to mine. And when exactally did I quote CBS NBC or any other network anyway? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:18:18 -0800 From: "Gordon Gekko" Subject: Re: NPR:Re A letter from one apparent recist militarist > First of all, how dare you be so presumtous as to assume you know anything > about me or my ethnenticity? To strip you of your racist assumption (what else > can you call assuming someone is one race or another without knowing?) An assumption , plain n simple. You got me there, I bow to you.Howeve , you just did the same thing , I am lily-white.Do white people's opinions matter? not usually, white people get their news from NBC or CNN just like any other race I'll have you know (not that it really is any of your business) that I happen to be > one of those "people of color" whose flag you seem to be waving so ardently. > My mother is PuertoRican, my father is white. Am I any less valid > regardless of race? No not at all , the only racism here is about an entire country being conned into hating IRAQUI people(sand-nigger camel jockey) in order to fatten the boottom line of the companies who build bombs, and the planes to drop them from , and those companies who profit by reporting the gleeful news of the same bombings.THAT is racist, If I come off as racist in assuming you are white (gasp) it is because of the demographics of computer ownership-that still shows a majority of computer owners in this country are just that-white. It wasnt a racist assumption , it was a gambling assumption. Your straight just beat my two pairs. Am I any less entitled because I'm not of your prefered > race? I dont HAVE a preferred race, exept half Indian chicks. now who is calling the kettle black? Or does my opinion just count less to you? You seem to support the president and his military adventurism,so....yeah , your opinion DOES mean less. > I understand if you feel you need to voice your opinion, you're entitled to > it, just dont think I'm not entitled to mine. And when exactally did I quote > CBS NBC or any other network anyway? You dont have to-its clear who you believe.Every thing you say is the Party Line Instead of the Party Line, look at the Bottom line-money is ALL that wars are fought over U.S. Dollar , March 18, 2002 ....1.13314 Euro U.S Dollar , March 18 ,2003 .....0.94723 Euro thats right , about an 18 percent loss in one YEAR , not decade Dow Jones industrial ave, Mar 18 , 2002 10,577.77 Dow Jones industrial ave. Mar 18 , 2003 8,269.77 again , about a 25 percent loss in a single YEAR , not decade wake the fuck up- I am not attacking you personally, I am only putting the truth out here, and even IF the Party line is the Truth, THIS is also the truth, but the official State/corporate media chooses to not focus upon it. Lets go back to desert storm. It was over in no time. this one will be too. War is NOT the main issue here.Distracting the publics attention from a failing economy and the wholesale theft of your god-Given rights is what war is for.If this were about National security we would be bombing those slant eyed yellow peril north Koreans. They got long range missiles, and threatened to rain fire on us. Saddam didnt. U.S. is the big bully in the playground beating up little kids and taking their oil...candy. If I come off harsh to you personally , I am sorry. IMF food riots-coming to a town near you http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:11:08 EST From: NoisyPollution@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Michael Moore's letter to Bush I find it quite humorous actually that one might call someone who was posting a very satirical letter to Bush about his concern for the war for oil a mindless sheep. I'd be interested to know your opinion of Chomsky. Have you looked at our economy? What about the jobs lost? Or has that not affected you? Bowling for Columbine wasn't focused on the school, it was focused on the NRA. Do you know what the Second Amendment actually stands for? I thought not. The amendment was intended for STATE MILITIAS to have the right to bear arms, not INDIVIDUALS. Do you know how many people die of crime due to guns in the US in comparison to Britain, France, or Canada? If you don't, I'd be HAPPY to post those stats. Bush isn't fighting for our rights, he's fighting for oil. If he was fighting for our rights, then we wouldn't have Homeland Security, if he was fighting for our rights, we wouldn't have the USA PATRIOT ACT or whatever the hell that shitty bill was. I know this is isn't abiding by the Poe welcome letter and whatnot, but Aetherlord certainly isn't either by referring me to a communist, so I take the notion to call you a Nazi. By the way, I have a good friend that shipped out to Kuwait a few days ago, so if one may tell me how cold of a heart I may have for not supporting the soldiers, you are wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:05:56 -0800 From: Mike Vaughn Subject: Re: NPR: Support our Soldiers This is why I sometimes hate this list. #1. The best way to support our troops is to bring them home safely. Duh. #2. I'd like to propose this become a Poe/Music-only list. You wanna talk war? Go join a different group. I've noticed that each Angry Psycho is dramatically and dynamically different from another. I'm talking age, backgrounds, experiences, etc. Discussions and arguments on NPR subjects are about as meaningful as Oregon's commitment to education. Seriously consider my proposal, cause the political talk is just silly. If not, I'll just go get new 'delete' button. Peace. - -mv > > First, let me preface this by saying I'm not attacking or point the finger at > anybody. I'm not asking you to be patriotic or to support the current > administration. I don't support any particular political party or person. I > take *anything* the media says (and that's underground as well as mainstream, > everybody has an agenda) with a grain of salt (sometimes the whole shaker). > > Now, with that out of the way, with all of the anti-war sentiment abounding, > and you have my apologies if somebody has already made this point, regardless > of one's feelings about the Bush Administration or the War, our troops deserve > and need our support. > > Think about it, your getting ready to face war, the very real potential of > chemical weapons, the possibility of death, or even worse, being affected by > chemical agents and assuming you survive living in pain the rest of your life > and possibly even being quarantined and probably never seeing your loved ones, > the people whose lives' you enlisted to protect again. And then you hear that > most of America is against you even being there. Ouch. Then you hear that > people are protesting not only the administration, but the armed forces.Ouch & > WTF??!! > > And let's face it, the gung-ho redneck who joined to "kill him some goddamn > terroists" is a cliche'. Most of the people I've met who either are enlisted > or were enlisted are good people who come from military families, or joined to > serve their families, their countrymen, and lastly (if at all) their > government. Almost all the people I know (or know of) enlisted for those > reasons in that order. > > Yes, enlisted personnel join (or should join) with the knowledge that they > could be sent to war, that they could die, become infected with disease, be > tortured etc. and they made that choice themselves. Many of them also made the > choice realizing that some of their fellow countrymen may protest them, throw > things at them, and despise them...and they still enlisted to defend even > THOSE people's freedoms and lives. No, that wasn't a conscious choice: "I'm > going to enlist to protect the people that hate me or will protest me being a > soldier" but that's still the reality of what they are doing. > > And some would argue "Well, unless they turn around and march on Washington > and defend us from Bush, they aren't upholding their oaths". That's just > asinine. Like it's that black and white and that simple. Tell you what, if you > think that's what should be done, then you enlist and do it yourself. > > Few things are as disconcerting to a solider, especially in wartime, as having > people protest them. Yes, we all have the right to do so, but having the right > to do so doesn't always mean that we should. > > So chastise the president, do whatever you feel to express yourself. But keep > in mind that our troops deserve our support and thank them for their service. > No, you don't 'owe' them anything...except for respect. > > ~D ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V8 #59 **********************************