From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V8 #38 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, February 22 2003 Volume 08 : Number 038 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: tell me this is a joke MeLissA ["sp00k@poe.org" ] just an opinion ["DesertOpal" ] Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. ["sp00k@poe.org" ] RE: who needs a clue? its so obvious. ["Pierce, Marshall" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:55:05 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: tell me this is a joke MeLissA > My question is, what exactally should we do about it? No I dont like it, but > who do I call? Who do I talk to? And really, IS there anything that can be > done? Yeah, you might try having a look at what the British put up with in WW II when Hitler brought the war home to them. They went on with life, between trips to the bomb shelters. Wake up. We are at war, the war has been brought to our shores, of that there can be no denial. Perhaps when a good hunk of the USA is under a quarantine due to the release of some biological agent from YOUR good friends you might begin to recognize the TRUE enemy. We are living in some of the most EXTREME times in the history of the world, it is only natural at this time that the pendualum is swinging far to the right. BUT, this IS America, and it will swing FAR to the left once again. Thats life. To those EXTREMELY misguided souls who oppose the U.S. and NUMEROUS other nations including many in the Middle East who recognize that terrorists armed with weapons of mass destruction are a clear and present danger to the WORLD, Wake TF uP Thankfuly we have friends like Tony Bliar, John Howard, Gloria Arroyo, and George Bush, who have more concern for their citizens well being, than whether or not they will be elected next time around. Get a fuckin clue . sp00k etc ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:02:14 -0800 From: "Gordon Gekko" Subject: who needs a clue? its so obvious. Wake up. We are at war, the war has been brought to our shores, of that there can be no denial. Yes there can. Bush is just as responsible as any foriegn terrorists > http://billstclair.com/911timeline/timelinepart2.html Why would a government do this to its own people?> http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm Perhaps when a good hunk of the USA is under a quarantine due to the release of some biological agent from YOUR good friends you might begin to recognize the TRUE enemy. No friends of mine.If biological attack occurs, Im sure the same people who brought us 9-11 will be to blame. The TRUE enemy is not in the Arab world.> http://billstclair.com/911timeline/timelinepart2.html We are living in some of the most EXTREME times in the history of the world, it is only natural at this time that the pendualum is swinging far to the right. BUT, this IS America, and it will swing FAR to the left once again. Thats life. Right? We are as off-scale to the left as we can be-we have reached Total government. Thankfuly we have friends like Tony Bliar, John Howard, Gloria Arroyo, and George Bush, who have more concern for their citizens well being, than whether or not they will be elected next time around. Gawd. Get a fuckin clue . Clues???heres hundreds of them.> http://billstclair.com/911timeline/timelinepart2.html A great American wrote this to the list a few years back. : I have seen our "Civil Rights" chewed on for years now, ignored by a public fearful of crime(terror). People are willing to look the other way (Rochester NY) War is good for the economy, the "Drug War" is working for the rich just as well as any in the past has. Our government goes about making precedent setting laws to a receptive public, that has been lulled into submission as a victim of the addict(terrorists) and a suspect of the law. We are a nation preoccupied with honing the skills of operating the incarceration machine, ###but be wary of our supposed protectors, busy as bees laying the foundations for times of repression befitting a third world nation.### Democracy, "Land of the Free", don't buy into repression in ANY Form. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:39:53 -0800 From: "DesertOpal" Subject: just an opinion All I'm really saying is, that although I may not agree with the methodology, (war) I do agree with the cause. Leaving weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a man who is functionally insane, seems like a very bad idea to me. In an ideal world nobody would have them, not US, not THEM. Hell in an ideal world there would be no us or them. Our president seems intent to have his war, with or without U.N. sanctions, but the reasoning behind it may not be such a bad idea. And if in the pursuit of those goals, our rights end up being impinged apon, I dont see that there is a hell of alot we can do about it. All in the name of a greater good. If in preserving the whole, and attempting to make a better world, someones right to privacy gets invaded, then so be it. Yeah the draft sux, but if things get to the point that they actually need to draft people, then I have a feeling we will have much bigger things to worry about at that time. Like where the nearest bomb shelter is, or if we have enough canned goods to withstand the ensuing storm. Not that my opinion really counts for much, but there it is nonetheless. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:44:00 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. Say what you will, American political will does not dictate the current state of world affairs. Bush, Gore, don't matter who is in charge, millions of "Islamic extremists" have declared America the great satan and are intent on our destruction, and guess what, I BELIEVE them! I'm convinced! Now I don't know how the rest of you think, but if you come knocking on my door you are in for a big surprise! I have no need to coddle those who would gladly kill me or those I care for. This isn't just a war against America, this is a war against western ways. Anti-War? No, it's about being anti-American, and anti-Bush... And it still don't matter.. the people who are intent on America's destruction don't care who is in charge Even bin laden calls sadam hussin an "infidile", the terrorists are intent on driving out all western style ideas from the Middle East, and will not be content until they destroy Isreal. But do not fret, Isreal has their own supply of nukes, 400 of them, loaded onto submarines, .... Oh yeah, and speaking of NUKES, any of you peacenick greens notice how quick Japan is jumping on the Nuke bandwagon, now that they are openly threatend by N Korea? The world is filled with belligerent little fucks with big guns, so don't be so surprised when you see the powers that be join foreces in the name of mutual survivial. sp00k - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:20:32 -0600 From: "fun" Subject: Fw: who needs a clue? its so obvious. Spook, You will not get them to understand. Fundamentalist Muslims hate western culture and do not want it around at all. If the west exists and the internet/satellites exist we are a threat. The reason being that any music that talks about sex, drugs or shows those things in videos is an insult to good Muslims. Smoking cigarettes is doing a drug, drinking alcohol is using a drug and sinning. Not to mention many more. Clothing that shows the woman's body is wrong. Do any of you get the idea? They do not want the west to continue seducing their children! Bin Laden did not decide to attack the west because of Bush being elected or any of his policies. If you think back just to Clinton you will discover that we were attacked by him and attacked him. The funniest thing is that his main point of contention is that we have troops in old Holy Arabia. Why are those troops still there because we have been enforcing sanctions against Iraq. Why also has much of the Muslim world become angry with the US. Because they think we are starving Iraqis. We are not starving them, we have allowed their government to sell oil and buy food. Yet they have bought palaces and mosques. Why because starving kids make the US look bad. You can say that the US elite never serve, but it is not true. You can be assured that no Iraqi elite has gone hungry or had a child die of malnutrition. The other proof of this is that malnutrition is not occurring in the Kurdish areas anymore. So explaining to people that would believe internet rumors that Bush senior and Saddam were homosexual lovers is a waste of time. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "sp00k@poe.org" To: Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. > > Say what you will, American political will does not dictate the current state of world affairs. > > Bush, Gore, don't matter who is in charge, millions of "Islamic extremists" have declared > America the great satan and are intent on our destruction, and guess what, I BELIEVE > them! I'm convinced! Now I don't know how the rest of you think, but if you come > knocking on my door you are in for a big surprise! I have no need to coddle those > who would gladly kill me or those I care for. > > This isn't just a war against America, this is a war against western ways. Anti-War? No, > it's about being anti-American, and anti-Bush... > > And it still don't matter.. the people who are intent on America's destruction don't care > who is in charge > > Even bin laden calls sadam hussin an "infidile", the terrorists are intent on driving out > all western style ideas from the Middle East, and will not be content until they destroy > Isreal. But do not fret, Isreal has their own supply of nukes, 400 of them, loaded onto > submarines, .... > > Oh yeah, and speaking of NUKES, any of you peacenick greens notice how quick > Japan is jumping on the Nuke bandwagon, now that they are openly threatend by > N Korea? > > The world is filled with belligerent little fucks with big guns, so don't be so surprised > when you see the powers that be join foreces in the name of mutual survivial. > > sp00k > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:30:51 -0500 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: who needs a clue? its so obvious. I am going to say this with heavy heart, because being a child of the 70' and 80's, you hate to see this point brought back, but I think for our own survival we need to introduce the radical Muslims to the idea of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). I do not think they realized just what a potent arsenal that the US has at its disposal. If you think that the US Government would not wipe the bulk of the Islamic culture off the face of the world (In under an hour no less) if some dumb ass terrorist was to use a weapon of mass destruction on the populous of the US, think again. 12 million, even is disperse locations is not all that large an amount of people to kill. Ask Stalin. Marshall R Pierce IFAS ITCS University of Florida Phone:846-1832 E-Mail:mrpierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu AIM:MPierce559 Web Page: http://plaza.ufl.edu/mrpierce/ - -----Original Message----- From: fun [mailto:pm64@prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:21 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Fw: who needs a clue? its so obvious. Spook, You will not get them to understand. Fundamentalist Muslims hate western culture and do not want it around at all. If the west exists and the internet/satellites exist we are a threat. The reason being that any music that talks about sex, drugs or shows those things in videos is an insult to good Muslims. Smoking cigarettes is doing a drug, drinking alcohol is using a drug and sinning. Not to mention many more. Clothing that shows the woman's body is wrong. Do any of you get the idea? They do not want the west to continue seducing their children! Bin Laden did not decide to attack the west because of Bush being elected or any of his policies. If you think back just to Clinton you will discover that we were attacked by him and attacked him. The funniest thing is that his main point of contention is that we have troops in old Holy Arabia. Why are those troops still there because we have been enforcing sanctions against Iraq. Why also has much of the Muslim world become angry with the US. Because they think we are starving Iraqis. We are not starving them, we have allowed their government to sell oil and buy food. Yet they have bought palaces and mosques. Why because starving kids make the US look bad. You can say that the US elite never serve, but it is not true. You can be assured that no Iraqi elite has gone hungry or had a child die of malnutrition. The other proof of this is that malnutrition is not occurring in the Kurdish areas anymore. So explaining to people that would believe internet rumors that Bush senior and Saddam were homosexual lovers is a waste of time. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "sp00k@poe.org" To: Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. > > Say what you will, American political will does not dictate the current state of world affairs. > > Bush, Gore, don't matter who is in charge, millions of "Islamic extremists" have declared > America the great satan and are intent on our destruction, and guess what, I BELIEVE > them! I'm convinced! Now I don't know how the rest of you think, but if you come > knocking on my door you are in for a big surprise! I have no need to coddle those > who would gladly kill me or those I care for. > > This isn't just a war against America, this is a war against western ways. Anti-War? No, > it's about being anti-American, and anti-Bush... > > And it still don't matter.. the people who are intent on America's destruction don't care > who is in charge > > Even bin laden calls sadam hussin an "infidile", the terrorists are intent on driving out > all western style ideas from the Middle East, and will not be content until they destroy > Isreal. But do not fret, Isreal has their own supply of nukes, 400 of them, loaded onto > submarines, .... > > Oh yeah, and speaking of NUKES, any of you peacenick greens notice how quick > Japan is jumping on the Nuke bandwagon, now that they are openly threatend by > N Korea? > > The world is filled with belligerent little fucks with big guns, so don't be so surprised > when you see the powers that be join foreces in the name of mutual survivial. > > sp00k > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:41:47 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierce, Marshall" To: "'fun'" ; Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: RE: who needs a clue? its so obvious. > > I am going to say this with heavy heart, because being a child of the 70' > and 80's, you hate to see this point brought back, but I think for our own > survival we need to introduce the radical Muslims to the idea of MAD > (Mutually Assured Destruction). I do not think they realized just what a > potent arsenal that the US has at its disposal. If you think that the US > Government would not wipe the bulk of the Islamic culture off the face of > the world (In under an hour no less) if some dumb ass terrorist was to use a > weapon of mass destruction on the populous of the US, think again. 12 > million, even is disperse locations is not all that large an amount of > people to kill. Ask Stalin. Unfortunately, they would be thrilled to be martaryed, anxious to collect their reward of virgins on the other side, and enslaving any infidile they have killed in their previous life.... sp00k - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:45:27 -0500 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: who needs a clue? its so obvious. They would have plenty of company. The bad part, as usual, is that millions of innocents would join them as well. Not to mention the effect on global environment, economy, ect. Marshall R Pierce IFAS ITCS University of Florida Phone:846-1832 E-Mail:mrpierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu AIM:MPierce559 Web Page: http://plaza.ufl.edu/mrpierce/ - -----Original Message----- From: sp00k@poe.org [mailto:usscvn65@frontiernet.net] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:42 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierce, Marshall" To: "'fun'" ; Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: RE: who needs a clue? its so obvious. > > I am going to say this with heavy heart, because being a child of the 70' > and 80's, you hate to see this point brought back, but I think for our own > survival we need to introduce the radical Muslims to the idea of MAD > (Mutually Assured Destruction). I do not think they realized just what a > potent arsenal that the US has at its disposal. If you think that the US > Government would not wipe the bulk of the Islamic culture off the face of > the world (In under an hour no less) if some dumb ass terrorist was to use a > weapon of mass destruction on the populous of the US, think again. 12 > million, even is disperse locations is not all that large an amount of > people to kill. Ask Stalin. Unfortunately, they would be thrilled to be martaryed, anxious to collect their reward of virgins on the other side, and enslaving any infidile they have killed in their previous life.... sp00k - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:50:31 -0800 From: "Gordon Gekko" Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. > You will not get them to understand! Bin Laden did not decide to attack the > west because of Bush being elected or any of his policies Apparently I cant get you to understand either, or are you and Spook deliberately steering this away from the awful truth that more than meets the CNN ABC NBC CBS eyes was at work on sep 11, 2001. Who says Bin Laden did it? Oh , you believe them , i see. Well, let me deal with the "incompetence theory." By first taking you back to October 26th, 1999. That is the day the chartered Learjet carrying golfer Payne Stewart crashes, killing all on board. This from the official National Transportation Safety Board crash report: 9:19 a.m.: The flight departs. 9:24: The Learjet's pilot responds to an instruction from air traffic control. 9:33: The controller radios another instruction. No response from the pilot. For 4 = minutes the controller tries to establish contact. 9:38: Having failed, the controller calls in the military. Note that he did not seek, nor did he require, the approval of the President of the United States, or indeed anyone. It's standard procedure, followed routinely, to call in the Air Force when radio contact with a commercial passenger jet is lost, or the plane departs from its flight path, or anything along those lines occurs Never think about Standard Operating procedures that call for interception of wayward aircraft.Dont think about planes that fly at 1500 mph crawling along from 130 miles away at a quarter that speed to 'save' the Pentagon instead of hopping up from Andrews, 12 miles away. right. keep your head in the sand. http://billstclair.com/911timeline/timelinepart2.html As I am not a peacenick, I beat you over the head with an electric baseball bat! http://billstclair.com/911timeline/timelinepart2.html If you still wanna beat up Arabs after reading that. .....this is the poe list , and you CANT TALK TO A PSYCHO LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING Why also has much of the Muslim world > become angry with the US. Because they think we are starving Iraqis. no, they dont like us occupying the land , or supporting Israel.. And your points about cultural imperialsm are valid too We are > not starving them, we have allowed their government to sell oil and buy > food. Yet they have bought palaces and mosques. Why because starving kids > make the US look bad. maybe starving kids look bad , but more likely is that governments of all stripes and odors take care of their own-fuck the people The other proof of this is that malnutrition is > not occurring in the Kurdish areas anymore.Sez who? > > So explaining to people that would believe internet rumors that Bush senior > and Saddam were homosexual lovers is a waste of time. >internet rumors? hell no, I made that up on the spot Anti-War? No, > it's about being anti-American, and anti-Bush...That would be an impossible oxymoron, Bush is as UN AMERICAN as anything this country has ever seen, Bush , Ashcroft et al are enemies of the constitution, where are the armed forces? dont you take an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foriegn AND DOMESTIC? Oh yeah, and speaking of NUKES, any of you peacenick greens notice how > quick Japan is jumping on the Nuke bandwagon, now that they are openly threatend by N Korea? Hell yeah , and didnt they threaten the US directly 2 weeks ago? why are we so worried about saddam? www.thecarlylegroup.com jointly owned by the bush family of texas and the Bin Laden family of Saudi arabia until oct 2001- the beneficiaries of WAR http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm - the results of a populace subdued by WAR FEVER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:02:36 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierce, Marshall" To: "'sp00k@poe.org'" ; Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: RE: who needs a clue? its so obvious. > > They would have plenty of company. The bad part, as usual, is that millions > of innocents would join them as well. Innocents? OK, let's do a little bit of speculation here.. When God fearing extremist Christian KKK members LYNCH someone, how many "moderate" Christians are secretly thrilled but publicly disapproving? Where are the "moderate" Islamic voices in America or the world that DENOUNCE the Islamic extremeists? The silence is TRUELY deafaning but the answer of the U.S. and our allies will be anything but silent. sp00k - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:12:23 -0500 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: who needs a clue? its so obvious. The problem with that argument is that, for all essential purposes, the "non-extremist" Muslims are non combatants (In this no standing army kind of war), weather they openly or secretly support the extremist or not. Killing non-combatants is always a suck ass circumstance. Marshall R Pierce IFAS ITCS University of Florida Phone:846-1832 E-Mail:mrpierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu AIM:MPierce559 Web Page: http://plaza.ufl.edu/mrpierce/ - -----Original Message----- From: sp00k@poe.org [mailto:usscvn65@frontiernet.net] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:03 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierce, Marshall" To: "'sp00k@poe.org'" ; Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: RE: who needs a clue? its so obvious. > > They would have plenty of company. The bad part, as usual, is that millions > of innocents would join them as well. Innocents? OK, let's do a little bit of speculation here.. When God fearing extremist Christian KKK members LYNCH someone, how many "moderate" Christians are secretly thrilled but publicly disapproving? Where are the "moderate" Islamic voices in America or the world that DENOUNCE the Islamic extremeists? The silence is TRUELY deafaning but the answer of the U.S. and our allies will be anything but silent. sp00k - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:42:27 EST From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. It's interesting how you accuse everyone of being brainwashed by CNN, ABC, CBS etc. when all you have ever done is told us to check out www.billstclair.com. In other words, everyone else is lying to us, there's only one source that's giving the truth. You want another bit of truth? If a plane from National Airport (I still refuse to put the name Regan in front of it) took off with the intention of flying itself into the pentagon, there's no way to scramble the jets fast enough to stop it. The jet would by flying for only a few minutes and would spend much of its time over densely populated territory. The military wouldn't blow it up over dense population centers even if they could reach it in time. When I lived near that area (a couple fire pieces and ambulances I've driven before actually were called to the pentagon, as I would have been had I not moved 3 months prior) the pentagon always had guys in blue vests who were running drills to prepare for, among other things, a plane flying into the pentagon after taking off from national. That is one of the major reasons that the casualty rate at the pentagon was so low, the people were trained and that side of the building had been reenforced to take a hit of that nature. Oh, wait, I got it, the wall at the pentagon was really reenforced because Tony Blair and Ariel Sharon were both dating the CEO of the construction company who got the contract to do the upgrade before he got a sex change operation. The palestinians secretly put microphones and other spy equipment into the concrete and Israel crashed the plane into the wall to stop the palestinian spies. And if you believe that I have another good one to tell you too. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 14:04:26 -0800 From: "Gordon Gekko" Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. www.propagandamatrix.com The antidote to State -Run television 'news' - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:42 PM Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. > > It's interesting how you accuse everyone of being brainwashed by CNN, ABC, > CBS etc. when all you have ever done is told us to check out > www.billstclair.com. In other words, everyone else is lying to us, there's > only one source that's giving the truth No , not at all , it was just convienient ...try www.infowars.com www.whatreallyhappened.com www.deceptiondollar.com www.prisonplanet.com or any other of hundreds > Oh, wait, I got it, the wall at the pentagon was really reenforced because > Tony Blair and Ariel Sharon were both dating the CEO of the construction > company who got the contract to do the upgrade before he got a sex change > operation. The palestinians secretly put microphones and other spy equipment > into the concrete and Israel crashed the plane into the wall to stop the > palestinian spies. And if you believe that I have another good one to tell > you too. funny , you forgot to mention Elvis and Aliens. If you believe the official Party line , ive got stuff to sell you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:29:48 EST From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: npr: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. Hello eye.wall@verizon.net, In reference to your comment: h As I am not a peacenick, I beat you over the head with h an electric baseball bat! h http://billstclair.com/911timeline/timelinepart2.html If h you still wanna beat up Arabs after reading that. h .....this is the poe list , and you CANT TALK TO A h PSYCHO LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING FINALLY, someone made this NPR discussion somehow Poe related! ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious. Date: 2/21/2003 1:02:43 PM Pacific Standard Time From: eye.wall@verizon.net To: pm64@prodigy.net, angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent from the Internet (Details) >You will not get them to understand! Bin Laden did not decide to attack the >west because of Bush being elected or any of his policies Apparently I cant get you to understand either, or are you and Spook deliberately steering this away from the awful truth that more than meets the CNN ABC NBC CBS eyes was at work on sep 11, 2001. Who says Bin Laden did it? Oh , you believe them , i see. Well, let me deal with the "incompetence theory." By first taking you back to October 26th, 1999. That is the day the chartered Learjet carrying golfer Payne Stewart crashes, killing all on board. This from the official National Transportation Safety Board crash report: 9:19 a.m.: The flight departs. 9:24: The Learjet's pilot responds to an instruction from air traffic control. 9:33: The controller radios another instruction. No response from the pilot. For 4 = minutes the controller tries to establish contact. 9:38: Having failed, the controller calls in the military. Note that he did not seek, nor did he require, the approval of the President of the United States, or indeed anyone. It's standard procedure, followed routinely, to call in the Air Force when radio contact with a commercial passenger jet is lost, or the plane departs from its flight path, or anything along those lines occurs Never think about Standard Operating procedures that call for interception of wayward aircraft.Dont think about planes that fly at 1500 mph crawling along from 130 miles away at a quarter that speed to 'save' the Pentagon instead of hopping up from Andrews, 12 miles away. right. keep your head in the sand. http://billstclair.com/911timeline/timelinepart2.html As I am not a peacenick, I beat you over the head with an electric baseball bat! http://billstclair.com/911timeline/timelinepart2.html If you still wanna beat up Arabs after reading that. .....this is the poe list , and you CANT TALK TO A PSYCHO LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING Why also has much of the Muslim world >become angry with the US. Because they think we are starving Iraqis. no, they dont like us occupying the land , or supporting Israel.. And your points about cultural imperialsm are valid too We are >not starving them, we have allowed their government to sell oil and buy >food. Yet they have bought palaces and mosques. Why because starving kids >make the US look bad. maybe starving kids look bad , but more likely is that governments of all stripes and odors take care of their own-fuck the people The other proof of this is that malnutrition is >not occurring in the Kurdish areas anymore.Sez who? > >So explaining to people that would believe internet rumors that Bush senior >and Saddam were homosexual lovers is a waste of time. >internet rumors? hell no, I made that up on the spot Anti-War? No, >it's about being anti-American, and anti-Bush...That would be an impossible oxymoron, Bush is as UN AMERICAN as anything this country has ever seen, Bush , Ashcroft et al are enemies of the constitution, where are the armed forces? dont you take an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foriegn AND DOMESTIC? Oh yeah, and speaking of NUKES, any of you peacenick greens notice how >quick Japan is jumping on the Nuke bandwagon, now that they are openly threatend by N Korea? Hell yeah , and didnt they threaten the US directly 2 weeks ago? why are we so worried about saddam? www.thecarlylegroup.com jointly owned by the bush family of texas and the Bin Laden family of Saudi arabia until oct 2001- the beneficiaries of WAR http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm - the results of a populace subdued by WAR FEVER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:00:09 -0800 From: "DesertOpal" Subject: Re: who needs a clue? its so obvious I like that....that was cute. LOL Oh, wait, I got it, the wall at the pentagon was really reenforced because Tony Blair and Ariel Sharon were both dating the CEO of the construction company who got the contract to do the upgrade before he got a sex change operation. The palestinians secretly put microphones and other spy equipment into the concrete and Israel crashed the plane into the wall to stop the palestinian spies. And if you believe that I have another good one to tell you too. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:37:20 -0800 (PST) From: Lok Tina Subject: Re: NPR: Cool Cover Songs the cd is available off their website www.collide.net i love them. sooo good! Tina L. - --- NoisyPollution@aol.com wrote: > > The COOLEST cover song I'm listening to right now is > Collider's (think > Garbage mixed with 12 Rounds) cover of Jefferson > Airplane's White Rabbit. > Download it now. As far as I understand, it's not > available in the US. > Peace, MeLissA Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V8 #38 **********************************