From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #355 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, December 30 2002 Volume 07 : Number 355 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: npr cloning ["sp00k@poe.org" ] NPR - Cloning debated [Davey08@aol.com] Center of the Sun lyrics request [StphLadd@aol.com] Re: NPR - Cloning debated [LolipopFailure@aol.com] Re: npr cloning.. belly button [CtProse10@aol.com] Re: NPR - Cloning debated [CtProse10@aol.com] Re: Center of the Sun lyrics request [HauntedIcicle@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:14:46 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: npr cloning > I am curious if the child was born in the united states... Making this kid > a US citizen... > What if you are a bad clone, and a judge orders you to prison for 150 years to life... I'm the vicitim, and I demand justice... so make sure you clone enough of that their criminal to ensure that I get my justice... since you are all sharing one soul anyway... one soul, one cell... or is it one cell, one soul... oh well as always, the lawyers will figure it out... it should be an interesting law that has a soul born into the world as an indentured servant.... sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:59:41 EST From: Davey08@aol.com Subject: NPR - Cloning debated >From: LolipopFailure@aol.com > >okay, I'll say now, I'm religious, so my views may be biased. I think clones >cannot have souls, because they aren't created of God. it is Gods job to >create life....and I don't think God likes being demoted. I'm biased too, though everyone is biased in a way. I'm not religious at all, (I believe in an ID only.) But to say a clone has no soul because it wasn't created of or by God is not biased, it's just wrong. Clones are not created by people or scientists, period. What the scientists are doing are taking human conception in a un-naturalistic direction. They are not creating a human. To imply that is to say that the scientists wrote their own DNA or applicable life code and grew a life form based on it, or constructed a new life form from raw materials. (Like building a robot.) Instead, they took something that already exists, and made a copy of it, using a process that wouldn't happen in a human reproductive cycle. Other life forms on this planet make clones all the time, simply as a way of genetic survival. What scientists have done, or are trying to do is simply artificially make identical twins. A thing that is also impossible, thanks to universal chaos. Because chaos exists in every plane of existence, there will never be, and I can say this with 100% certainty, two identical humans, or any other life form, for that matter. So would you say that one of a set of identical twins has no soul? No of course not. Even if you don't believe in souls, that would sound ridiculous. Dave Harty [Zampanosdead] Dave est mon nom Zampano est l'auteur Poe est mon Diesse Je ne parle pas De frangais - -> http://get.to/poesplace <- http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/houseofleaves.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/House_of_Leaves "Dans la maison, l'obscuriti me consommera." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:55:12 EST From: StphLadd@aol.com Subject: Center of the Sun lyrics request Does anyone have the lyrics for Center of the Sun? I have Make a Wish, but not for Center of the Sun. Any help is greatly appreciated. =) Stephanie "Life in the so called Space Age." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:56:39 EST From: LolipopFailure@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR - Cloning debated a clone may be a genetic copy, but this is a person that can live and do, and have free will. if the origional lives a good life, and the clone lives a bad life, or visa versa, who has the bad soul? they can't very well be one then can they. ...and the way the rain comes down hard...that's how i feel inside.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:44:36 -0500 From: CtProse10@aol.com Subject: Re: npr cloning.. belly button There is one God, and man is created from His image. And from man woman was made. But forever since the man has come from the woman. Do I say that to elevate myself? No. For God is God, and I in no way liken myself to God because I am male. Although I spend my days aspiring to be more "Christlike." A good thought I just heard from a VERY good friend of mine; A scientist thought that he could create life. And God said unto him, "If you think you can create life from sand, show me." And the scientist reached down for a handful of sand, and God said, "Hey! thats my sand." So if this human was truly cloaned [which I doubt, but it truly is possible] I still believe that this child comes from God. [for all things do.] Think about this, how many children were cloaned that we did not know about, and ended up all deformed? And this; the Girl is giving birth to herself... She is her mother. So we could say that the child did have a father, for the father is the father of the mother that is the daughter. Or something all screwed up like that... God Bless - -Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:53:39 -0500 From: CtProse10@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR - Cloning debated There is no such thing as Chaos in this world. For all that unfolds is God's plan, and that [however good or bad] is the way that it is meant to be... I have had more than my fair share of "bad" experiences. Ye know, a year out of 17 in the hospital. But that is the plan that God unfolded from me, its not because of some random guy in some random semi running some random stop light at some random intersection that i just happened to be at. I am uncertain about the existance of parrelel dimensions, for the scriptures say "there are many houses in the house of God" but i doubt that was meant in reference to multiple planes of existance. Frankly, i think that stuff is pretty much the product of an over active imagination with no proof to gloat. God Bless - -Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:08:49 EST From: HauntedIcicle@aol.com Subject: Re: Center of the Sun lyrics request In a message dated 12/29/2002 10:56:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, StphLadd@aol.com writes: > Does anyone have the lyrics for Center of the Sun? I do. Here ya go! :) "Center Of The Sun" by Conjure One featuring POE (I hear) Young girl in the market Gives it to the men When the men leave Her eyes are red When her eyes are closed again she sees the dark market And she sings They say the most horrible things But I hear violins When I close my eyes I am at the center of the sun And I cannot be hurt By anything this wicked world has done Young boy in the market Follows all the men When the men leave Hebs out of his head When his eyes are closed again he sees the dark market... And he sings They break the most beautiful things But I hear violins When I close my eyes I am at the center of the sun And I cannot be hurt By anything this wicked world has done I look into your eyes And I am at the center of the sun And I cannot be hurt By anything this wicked world has done Center of the sun Young boy in the market Sees the girl alone And asks her bHave you lost you way home?b She sings You say the most beautiful things Just like my violins I look into your eyes I am at the center of the sun And I cannot be hurt By anything this wicked world has done When I close my eyes I am at the center of the sun And I cannot be hurt By anything this wicked world has done bCause I hear violins I hear violins Center of the sun I hear violins ~Tilly ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #355 ***********************************